Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

joeguevara wrote: »

While reading your statement and trying to figure out how that is possibly the case as it’s counter intuitive, it then becomes obvious the reason for this policy, if testing them without symptoms there is a much higher chance of finding positive cases. Asymptomatic would slip thorough and no one any the wiser. This allows them to continue to work. Obviously if a significant number were isolating and no one to replace them as no one trained, services would be decreased.

While from that point of view it makes sense, it is putting vulnerable people at risk of infection.

Exactly, if we had to isolate after every contact with a positive or symptomatic case, there would be no ambulances on the road.

Goldengirl wrote: »

I think you are the one with the " slurs" .
I am a nurse in a HSE hospital. I have never said anything else .
If I don't know something I will say it.
I never made any "claim " as you say .
I said that it is what I have been told by ambulance personnel and I also said if someone knows the protocol they can support or deny it.
I believe that is all I can say .
If you choose to be riled about it nothing I can do .

Beaverpunisher seems to be in the "business" and countering your claims

But hey you are one of the more sensible posters so no hard feelings

Goldengirl wrote: »

Any patient being admitted is tested using the very overworked and underfunded labs in our place .

Running batches in a lab is more economical, but POC definitely has its place at the point of care. you only need 2-3 of them in ED and you get a quick result from them.

patnor1011 wrote: »

That is not what is being said. However it was said that vitamins mainly D and C are good to fight it and it looks that they can prevent possible infection to become a bad case. Chinese shipped it to affected provinces by the tons.
It was mercilesly ridiculed at the start only to became accepted as evidence started to accumulate.
The same goes for hydroxychloroquine.

Ok, if I start with the exact quote that I was responding to as was in my post by Calamafritti

“This has been common knowledge more or less since the start of this. In a roundabout way.
Very early on it was said that all ICU patients and covid deaths - without exception - had one thing in common. A strong vitamin D deficit.

Call me what you want, I know some will, but it was then that I began to realise this is all blown out of proportion. A super duper deadly virus that we turn the whole world upside down over. Only its grand when you take some vitamin d (cod liver oil).“

So I wasn’t responding to what you based your post to make me look like i was fear mongering, I was responding exactly as what I said. When people see easy solutions and made to look like fact, it is dangerous as these are the things reshared, used as arguments against real information, taken as basis of being lied to. I was clear what the information about Vitamin D related to and agreed that it was beneficial but that is where it should stop.

patnor1011 wrote: »

Nope. Just check on last research. Vit C and D, also zinc and hydroxychloroquine highly praised.

Pretty sure the praise for that is really not what you imagine. Most of the rest of them are still hypothesized.

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tomaspueyo/status/1302510846086533120

May is really not good enough. Having enough Vitamin D is a good thing anyway but it looks like it's just one of many ways we can treat or manage this.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There overwhelmed every year, hopefully very little flu will materialise or it could end up worse than last year if that's even possible.

They are, and this year will be worse, the reduced capacity alone means there are already bed shortages. We’re coming into respiratory season now, and more people will need hospitalisation even without covid surges, so we all need to do our part, and it’s not hard compared to what the healthcare staff have to face into.

screamer wrote: »

They are, and this year will be worse, the reduced capacity alone means there are already bed shortages. We’re coming into respiratory season now, and more people will need hospitalisation even without covid surges, so we all need to do our part, and it’s not hard compared to what the healthcare staff have to face into.

Reduced capacity? I thought the whole point of the lockdown was to buy time for them hospitals to increase capacity. It’s insane how this has been managed.

screamer wrote: »

I’ve just spent a week in hospital nothing to do with covid, and they have severely reduced capacity due to covid19 regulations. Ward beds are down 40% so a room that could take 5 before now takes 3. Our health services are going to be overwhelmed this winter even without covid19 cases, I feel so sorry for the nurses primarily, as they deal with it day in day out. I know it’s made me even more determined to do everything I can to keep myself and my family healthy this winter, the healthcare workers will bear an awful brunt this winter and they are such good, selfless people. All of us need to be responsible and grown up about this, and realise our actions can have far reaching repercussions, both good and bad.

Could they not test all patients so then they could use all 5 beds?
I don't think all our actions are to blame for hse decisions not to fill beds they have always needed, they need the beds so make it happen.

fm wrote: »

Could they not test all patients so then they could use all 5 beds?
I don't think all our actions are to blame for hse decisions not to fill beds they have always needed, they need the beds so make it happen.

They do test all patients, but patients who are in pain or need urgent care can’t be tested before being put into a room/ ward, and we don’t have enough single occupancy rooms to isolate them pending test results. Our health system was not designed to be pandemic ready, it’s hardly fit for purpose as it is.
We could go round in circles talking about it, but it is what it is, and we just need to do our parts to ensure that as far as we all can, we don’t add pressure to the hospitals this winter. I never said our actions affect decisions, but our actions affect the level of care available or unavailable. They can’t magic rooms out of thin air, nor trained staff.

Drumpot wrote: »

Has anybody actually looked at Scandinavia v the rest of Europe to find out why Norway and Finland have faired so much better deathwise?

Is it cultural? Geographical? Weather ? Health? Response? All these things?

Comparing these countries to Ireland is apples and oranges unless you can extrapolate out the reasons why there have been such big numbers of deaths in certain countries and not in others.

Are you referring to case fatality rate?

In terms of lower cases, they just aren't on top of each other as much. Its rare to see large households - lots of single people. And they're just not very touchy feely in general which suited me well when I was in Finland. There isnt a huge eating out culture either.

Goldengirl wrote: »

Silly comment .
It's not " grand " at all but Vit D helps in immune response .
Maybe more of the elderly that some guys think were near to end of life might have survived if they had been on a good dose of Vit D .

I dont think its a silly comment at all. There was a clear correlation shown between vitamin D deficiency and reaction to cov2 pretty much from day 1. Both in probability of reacting to it at all and also in terms of outcome amongst those that did react to it.

When I read that every single person who ends up in ICU and/or dies from covid without exception has a vitamin D deficiency surely that the first avenue I go looking at? Because thats quite a dramatic indicator isn't it?

Also I take it you didnt watch the video posted by Away With The Fairies? Where that doctor explained the clinical trial conducted in the university clinic in Cordoba just recently?

Which is kinda weird that it took so long but I'm no CT guy so I dont want to read anything into that. But yet that trial is there and even that doctor raises the question why only now.

Anyway. You come across or try to come across as having a medical background. Maybe you could try to explain to a layman like myself why my comment was silly then? I get it the comment was a bit flippant maybe and also maybe a bit simplifying. But why are you so dismissive about it?