Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 12:29AM

end of the road wrote: »

not at all as those countries are not proof against our approach.

Sure. If you read slowly and carefully what I wrote again, you will see that I wrote that they are proof against your "spreading like wildfire" statement.
While contagious, still way far from wildfire. Dont worry, this is not end of the road for people.

end of the road · 06-09-2020 12:38AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Sure. If you read slowly and carefully what I wrote again, you will see that I wrote that they are proof against your "spreading like wildfire" statement.
While contagious, still way far from wildfire. Dont worry, this is not end of the road for people.

i never said it would be the end for people.
even in the countries you mention there were some measures to try and suppress the virus, as unchecked altogether it does spread hugely.

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 12:48AM

end of the road wrote: »

i never said it would be the end for people.

I know. It was attempt to lighten the mood when seeing your nick name.

end of the road wrote: »

even in the countries you mention there were some measures to try and suppress the virus, as unchecked altogether it does spread hugely.

But we do not know if it spreads hugely or like wildfire "if unchecked" due to the fact that it is "checked" one way or another pretty much everywhere.
Oh wait. Perhaps it is unchecked in most of the countries in african continent as we were led to believe. There were stories with prediction of apocalypse in there due to their pretty much non existent healthcare system but thankfuly no wildfire happened there, not even any huge spread. Not yet so far.

But hey, let us hype it some more and then most of us end up like this:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2628268247387882&extid=tHQLvZKymld5zenZ

walus · 06-09-2020 08:12AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

I do not know. You talk about protecting vulnerable yet suggesting that if they feel vulnerable they should protect themselves and avoid watching news. Covid is pretty much main point of every news so there really is no other way than to tell them to stop watching news completely.
Would not be easier to let people obsessed with numbers to go and check them on some designated website instead of broadcasting them everywhere with no chance to hide from this doom and fear fest?

People who understand numbers already know that this is just hyping up fear aimed particularly at vulnerable people.

31,134 people died in Ireland last year - that make it 85 people a day. Out of which one third - about 28 people a day die from cancer.
By 2020 which is right now - it was predicted that 1 in 2 people will develop cancer during their lifetime. Every year we have an average of 43k of new cancer cases diagnosed. That is 117 cases a day of what is for the most part a death sentence yet 100 covid cases a day are presented as a end of the world? Seriously? Even if there would be 10x more it is pretty much negligible as absolute majority of them are non symptomatic and will not result in any health damage despite what some people here are trying to suggest.

Numbers game to sustain narrative.

Totally agree. That is because this whole thing of Covid hysteria is pulled out of a context. A context of cancer or even pneumonia. Annually 5m people die of pneumonia and that includes 800k children... yet the Covid deaths have become more important than any other.

walus · 06-09-2020 08:29AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

When the money runs out?

I hate to break the news for you but that has actually happen a while back. Now the printers at ECB are running at full steam ahead so that rather than V, W or L type economic recovery we will have K-type. In K-type the rich become more wealthy, the poor... At the same time the IT tech and insurance are chasing our health data so that they can monetise it with our benefit in mind. Socialising losses and privatising gains continues.

average_runner · 06-09-2020 11:29AM

walus wrote: »

I hate to break the news for you but that has actually happen a while back. Now the printers at ECB are running at full steam ahead so that rather than V, W or L type economic recovery we will have K-type. In K-type the rich become more wealthy, the poor... At the same time the IT tech and insurance are chasing our health data so that they can monetise it with our benefit in mind. Socialising losses and privatising gains continues.

If anything this pandemic has showed us is that not enough people pay tax. Loads of job losses but income tax down 1.4% only.

We need to change our tax system to get better services , all should pay tax

road_high · 06-09-2020 11:52AM

MadYaker wrote: »

Social media is a new phenomenon but all the emerging evidence from studies done by psychologists in recent years suggests that it has an overall negative affect on mental wellbeing. Totally off topic for this thread though.

Definitely negative. I’ve gone off some social media as I was finding the never ending Covid obsession very irritating and toxic.
Every time looking at it in the evenings empty vessel politician after another sharing “the figures” like it was the Angelus prayer. The usual headcases losing their simple minds over them. I honestly couldn’t take anymore. I might go back if and when Covid mania does die off but until then I’m staying off it

walus · 06-09-2020 11:54AM

average_runner wrote: »

If anything this pandemic has showed us is that not enough people pay tax. Loads of job losses but income tax down 1.4% only.

We need to change our tax system to get better services , all should pay tax

Are you sure that PUP payments are not taxed? Genuinely asking as I don’t have a clue.

road_high · 06-09-2020 11:56AM

average_runner wrote: »

If anything this pandemic has showed us is that not enough people pay tax. Loads of job losses but income tax down 1.4% only.

We need to change our tax system to get better services , all should pay tax

Indeed. In one way it relieved me as the economic fall out May not be as catastrophic as I’d feared, for now at least. It’s in the public spending side that’s out of control and that’s firmly the government fault as their primary function is to control it.
The money being spent on social welfare, PPE, testing, school supplies and facilities is eye watering. But yes, it’s telling on the one hand there are elements that pay nearly all the tax and the rest who live off it

Happydays2020 · 06-09-2020 11:57AM

walus wrote: »

Are you sure that PUP payments are not taxed? Genuinely asking as I don’t have a clue.

They are taxable income. But the reason that income tax is not significantly down is the TWSS. But the cost of this is on the expenditure side.

AUDI20 · 06-09-2020 12:00PM

walus wrote: »

Are you sure that PUP payments are not taxed? Genuinely asking as I don’t have a clue.

Yes PUP will be classed as income by Revenue the same as pensions. so anything going over your tax allowance for the year will be taxed

road_high · 06-09-2020 12:01PM

walus wrote: »

Are you sure that PUP payments are not taxed? Genuinely asking as I don’t have a clue.

My scant understanding is that if you are pushed into the various tax thresholds then it’s taxable income

average_runner · 06-09-2020 12:07PM

walus wrote: »

Are you sure that PUP payments are not taxed? Genuinely asking as I don’t have a clue.

PUP tax bill at the end if the tax year?

drunkmonkey · 06-09-2020 01:07PM

average_runner wrote: »

PUP tax bill at the end if the tax year?

There taking the tax back from 2022 to 2026, know someone on a webinar with revenue the other day. You won't be caught for it this year, they also mentioned you can pay it off in a lump sum rather than dripping it over a few years.

Jim Root · 06-09-2020 02:30PM

average_runner wrote: »

If anything this pandemic has showed us is that not enough people pay tax. Loads of job losses but income tax down 1.4% only.

We need to change our tax system to get better services , all should pay tax

Very good point.

Gael23 · 06-09-2020 02:47PM

Once a vaccine comes available how quickly after that can we expect to see a society free of restrictions?

Penfailed · 06-09-2020 03:41PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Once a vaccine comes available how quickly after that can we expect to see a society free of restrictions?

What if a vaccine doesn't become available? What if a large percentage of people don't take it if it does?

road_high · 06-09-2020 03:43PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Once a vaccine comes available how quickly after that can we expect to see a society free of restrictions?

Very slowly if ever tbh. The level of paranoia is unprecedented in modern times. I can’t see it fizzling away all that easy. Extra state and police powers are very dangerous precedents in my opinion and are very hard to row back on once there

Penfailed · 06-09-2020 03:45PM

road_high wrote: »

Very slowly if ever tbh.

You think that there will be restrictions forever? Even if this magical vaccine becomes available? Bit melodramatic.

CruelSummer · 06-09-2020 04:26PM

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/as-the-fight-goes-on-we-need-to-stay-vigilant-39506620.html

This article should come with a warning it is a promotional feature. How is this allowed in such an important area such as health?
Hasn't Luke O'Neil invested in a company manufacturing a vaccine? It is effectively stating the 'fight' aka 'restrictions' on our lives will continue until the vaccine becomes available.

FintanMcluskey · 06-09-2020 04:28PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Once a vaccine comes available how quickly after that can we expect to see a society free of restrictions?

It might not happen until people realise death is a part of life.

Going to be a light bulb moment for some who think a vaccine for Covid will land us into everlasting life

06-09-2020 04:49PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/as-the-fight-goes-on-we-need-to-stay-vigilant-39506620.html

This article should come with a warning it is a promotional feature. How is this allowed in such an important area such as health?
Hasn't Luke O'Neil invested in a company manufacturing a vaccine? It is effectively stating the 'fight' aka 'restrictions' on our lives will continue until the vaccine becomes available.

Evidence that Luke O'Neil has invested in this company as otherwise that's a massive conflict of interest?

end of the road · 06-09-2020 05:09PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It might not happen until people realise death is a part of life.

it already more or less has happened, as people already realised such centuries ago.
however there is a massive difference between accepting that death is a part of life, and deliberately and knowingly refusing to make an effort to suppress a virus which can be deadly if left unchecked which in turn leads to a lot of possibly avoidable deaths, all because a minority don't like wearing a mask or can't go to a non-food pub.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Going to be a light bulb moment for some who think a vaccine for Covid will land us into everlasting life

nobody thinks this to be the case, so that lightbulg moment already happened the minute covid came to town.

MadYaker · 06-09-2020 05:14PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/as-the-fight-goes-on-we-need-to-stay-vigilant-39506620.html

This article should come with a warning it is a promotional feature. How is this allowed in such an important area such as health?
Hasn't Luke O'Neil invested in a company manufacturing a vaccine? It is effectively stating the 'fight' aka 'restrictions' on our lives will continue until the vaccine becomes available.

You seem surprised but that was always the plan from day one. Suppression and management until there’s a vaccine widely available which will probably be some time late next year or early 2022. So yeah I’d expect there to be some restrictions until then but things are improving. Less people dying because treatment has gotten better hence were now talking about opening pubs etc. It’s progress in the right direction.

FintanMcluskey · 06-09-2020 05:53PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Less people dying because treatment has gotten better hence were now talking about opening pubs etc. It’s progress in the right direction.

Less people dying?

Nobody is dying, when are some of ye going to realise its not dangerous to those not already dying

Lundstram · 06-09-2020 06:10PM

In Lisbon at the moment. Two things that have shocked me, in a good way. No checks whatsoever at the airport, had my PLC form filled out since days before but never asked for it, just waltzed through like normal. Brilliant.

Secondly, absolutely zero public signage about the virus. Nothing. In Ireland it's in your face at every turn.

They are strict on masks here, must be worn inside unless you are eating and drinking. All bars open and operating as normal. Tables all one metre apart.

No one here is talking about it, just getting on with life. Back home it consumes every waking moment of your life.

People here are shocked our pubs are still closed.

end of the road · 06-09-2020 06:18PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Less people dying?

Nobody is dying, when are some of ye going to realise its not dangerous to those not already dying

not strictly true.
we know that there have been some very healthy before hand people who got this, recovered and have serious after effects such as lung damage etc.
anyway yes, deaths are very low and even none a lot of days now, no doubt all thanks to what we did to suppress it.

Lundstram wrote: »

In Lisbon at the moment. Two things that have shocked me, in a good way. No checks whatsoever at the airport, had my PLC form filled out since days before but never asked for it, just waltzed through like normal. Brilliant.

Secondly, absolutely zero public signage about the virus. Nothing. In Ireland it's in your face at every turn.

They are strict on masks here, must be worn inside unless you are eating and drinking. All bars open and operating as normal. Tables all one metre apart.

No one here is talking about it, just getting on with life. Back home it consumes every waking moment of your life.

People here are shocked our pubs are still closed.

most people here in ireland aren't really talking about it either, we are getting on with our lives more or less.
it only really consumes every waking moment for a tiny few posting day and day out on the internet complaining, which is perfectly fine by the way, each to their own.

Lundstram · 06-09-2020 06:23PM

end of the road wrote: »

most people here in ireland aren't really talking about it either, we are getting on with our lives more or less.
it only really consumes every waking moment for a tiny few posting day and day out on the internet complaining, which is perfectly fine by the way, each to their own.

Are you for real? It's constantly first item on every news media source. Everybody talks about it everyday.

You are talking crap.

bucketybuck · 06-09-2020 06:30PM

Deaths today, zero. Government, very concerned.

Zero deaths notified from covid, the real new normal.

Zebra3 · 06-09-2020 07:13PM

Lundstram wrote: »

In Lisbon at the moment. Two things that have shocked me, in a good way. No checks whatsoever at the airport, had my PLC form filled out since days before but never asked for it, just waltzed through like normal. Brilliant.

Secondly, absolutely zero public signage about the virus. Nothing. In Ireland it's in your face at every turn.

They are strict on masks here, must be worn inside unless you are eating and drinking. All bars open and operating as normal. Tables all one metre apart.

No one here is talking about it, just getting on with life. Back home it consumes every waking moment of your life.

People here are shocked our pubs are still closed.

The same when I was in Hungary a couple of weeks ago.

Life going on as normal.

If people felt vulnerable, then it's their responsibility to look after themselves and avoid places they fell unsafe.

Until there is (if that happens) a vaccine, let those who want to live their normal lives do so. Those that need to protect themselves, it's up to their households to sort themselves out.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings