Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Penfailed

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

If you have not got the courtesy to respond to an individual poster I'm putting you on ignore. Have some respect.

Is that a thing?! Is it bad forum etiquette to multi quote various posters and respond in one post? If it is, it's the first time I've ever heard about it and I've been posting on forums for a long time.

road_high

Lockdown is a failure. Apart from taking some heat off the health service it’s been an utter failure and will continue to be so. It doesn’t work. It doesn’t eliminate the virus (you’d have to kill off every human host first)- just ask St blessed Covid Jacinda how that’s going.
We had months of lockdowns. And Guess what- the virus is still here

Penfailed

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s obvious people on here want permanent rolling lockdowns. We lockdown, cases drop. We open cases rise and the hysteria on here begins “ oh back to lockdown” rinse and repeat. The virus isn’t going anywhere. So if people got their way yes it would be permanent.

It's obvious? Who? There's no hysteria...unless you're talking about the people that froth at the mouth about things not opening quickly enough. I don't see ANY evidence on here of ANYONE wanting a permanent lockdown. Think about it, it's simply not feasible.

road_high

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s obvious people on here want permanent rolling lockdowns. We lockdown, cases drop. We open cases rise and the hysteria on here begins “ oh back to lockdown” rinse and repeat. The virus isn’t going anywhere. So if people got their way yes it would be permanent.

Cases rise? Oh dear we must lockdown...again. When does the failed madness “strategy” stop?

Plumbthedepths

Penfailed wrote: »

Is that a thing?! Is it bad forum etiquette to multi quote various posters and respond in one post? If it is, it's the first time I've ever heard about it and I've been posting on forums for a long time.

It's a personal thing to me. If I have the courtesy to address a poster without a multi quote I expect the same courtesy in return. It's no hardship to have manners.

Plumbthedepths

road_high wrote: »

Cases rise? Oh dear we must lockdown...again. When does the failed madness “strategy” stop?

When the money runs out?

Micky 32

Penfailed wrote: »

It's obvious? Who? There's no hysteria...unless you're talking about the people that froth at the mouth about things not opening quickly enough. I don't see ANY evidence on here of ANYONE wanting a permanent lockdown. Think about it, it's simply not feasible.

Did you have a look at the other thread? Since the numbers were released tonight the most used word is lockdown. Maybe look at the dictionary and you’ll see what the word hysteria means, then you might understand .

Penfailed

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's a personal thing to me. If I have the courtesy to address a poster without a multi quote I expect the same courtesy in return. It's no hardship to have manners.

Hahaha! I don't see it as not having manners TBH.

Penfailed

Micky 32 wrote: »

Did you have a look at the other thread? Since the numbers were released tonight the most used word is lockdown. Maybe look at the dictionary and you’ll see what the word hysteria means, then you might understand .

No, I didn't look at the other thread. I know perfectly well what hysteria means, thanks.

Micky 32

Penfailed wrote: »

No, I didn't look at the other thread. I know perfectly well what hysteria means, thanks.

Well if you do know what it means i suggest you read the other thread before claiming there’s no hysteria.

end of the road

road_high wrote: »

Lockdown is a failure. Apart from taking some heat off the health service it’s been an utter failure and will continue to be so. It doesn’t work. It doesn’t eliminate the virus (you’d have to kill off every human host first)- just ask St blessed Covid Jacinda how that’s going.
We had months of lockdowns. And Guess what- the virus is still here

lockdown was never about eradicating the virus, it was only ever about suppressing it to a managable level which it did.

Quantum Erasure

Micky 32 wrote: »

Did you have a look at the other thread? Since the numbers were released tonight the most used word is lockdown. Maybe look at the dictionary and you’ll see what the word hysteria means, then you might understand .

I just had a look, and the only hysteria I saw was coming from you and others that would be on your side...

Micky 32

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

I just had a look, and the only hysteria I saw was coming from you and others that would be on your side...

Really , show me the posts where hysteria was coming from me or stop talking shyte.

Plumbthedepths

Penfailed wrote: »

Hahaha! I don't see it as not having manners TBH.

Delighted for you, hence why I used the word 'personal'

Penfailed

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well if you do know what it means i suggest you read the other thread before claiming there’s no hysteria.

I'll pass thanks. I've enough to be getting on with without delving into another massive Covid thread.

Quantum Erasure

Micky 32 wrote: »

Really , show me the posts where hysteria was coming from me or stop talking shyte.

Sorry, I take that back, it was some other lad with a number after his name,

thebaz

I wandered around Dublin city yesterday, I have never seen my city look , so sad, depressed with a general suspicion and division all over , so many business closed, forever , a city divided , that is what the lockdown strategy has done.
Personally I have lost all my work this lockdown and facing homelessness in a couple of months , much more worried about that. I have 2 friends currently in psychiatric hospital due to Covid stress , not the virus .
Today I visited a friend who is immuno-suppressed and so worried to get the virus , it would kill him , took all precaution, mask outside / kept a huge distance because he is at risk , but for the majorty of population the death rate is around .4 %. .
Cocoon the vulnerable like my friend and parents and anyone else who is at risk , but let the rest of us live , and living involves a small bit of risk . Reporting daily number of cases by NPHET EVERY day and fear mongering the majority of people that are not at risk, is just increasing unnnesecarry fear in our poplulation - if the number of deaths increases warn us then or if the health service becomes under pressure warn the general population then - But the current strategy seams so wrong to me, just incresing too much anxiety into society.

JRant

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

I just had a look, and the only hysteria I saw was coming from you and others that would be on your side...

For me it's not about sides, it's about personal freedoms being striped away on a "temporary" basis in the name of the greater good. No right minded person was against these measures back in March, however it's September now and we are seeing more laws being passed every week that are slowly eroding our rights. Name and address taken entering some establishments, a record of what you eat, more powers to the Garda (who already had some of the most arcane powers in Europe already), not allowed attend outdoor sporting events, to named but a few.

So when you say sides I think you need to be clear what you mean.

Gael23

Stephen Donnelly takes incompetence to a new level

funnydoggy

Excellent to see no deaths reported again. I'm not a COVID denier, far from. I wear my mask, social distance and my hands are dry from the oils being stripped from frequent hand washing. But, I'm taking the good as it comes. Most cases are now asymptomatic which is fantastic. If we can protect the vulnerable we can live with this for a few months until the vaccine arrives.

end of the road

thebaz wrote: »

I wandered around Dublin city yesterday, I have never seen my city look , so sad, depressed with a general suspicion and division all over , so many business closed, forever , a city divided , that is what the lockdown strategy has done.
Personally I have lost all my work this lockdown and facing homelessness in a couple of months , much more worried about that. I have 2 friends currently in psychiatric hospital due to Covid stress , not the virus .
Today I visited a friend who is immuno-suppressed and so worried to get the virus , it would kill him , took all precaution, mask outside / kept a huge distance because he is at risk , but for the majorty of population the death rate is around .4 %. .
Cocoon the vulnerable like my friend and parents and anyone else who is at risk , but let the rest of us live , and living involves a small bit of risk . Reporting daily number of cases by NPHET EVERY day and fear mongering the majority of people that are not at risk, is just increasing unnnesecarry fear in our poplulation - if the number of deaths increases warn us then or if the health service becomes under pressure warn the general population then - But the current strategy seams so wrong to me, just incresing too much anxiety into society.

simply locking away the vulnerable and throwing open the doors for the rest of us is unviable as it doesn't protect the vulnerable.
letting all go about their business with some restrictions and an advisery for vulnerable groups to go out that bit less if possible on the other hand does give protection while recognising the risks cannot be illiminated, it is the correct way to do this as it allows all to take part in the benefits of reopening and quite rightly that is the approach we have taken.
we can't not report facts because some might get anxiety, otherwise we will end up not reporting any news at all. anyone who think they may get anxiety from the reports of daily figures should do what they can to ignore them, but for those who are interested in such figures then they should be reported.

JRant wrote: »

For me it's not about sides, it's about personal freedoms being striped away on a "temporary" basis in the name of the greater good. No right minded person was against these measures back in March, however it's September now and we are seeing more laws being passed every week that are slowly eroding our rights. Name and address taken entering some establishments, a record of what you eat, more powers to the Garda (who already had some of the most arcane powers in Europe already), not allowed attend outdoor sporting events, to named but a few.

So when you say sides I think you need to be clear what you mean.

all of these are being brought in because unfortunately a minority of establishments are refusing to play ball, and therefore to try and force them to do so greater restrictions have been brought in .
in an ideal world the basic restrictions would be followed and these new powers and restrictions wouldn't be needed, but unfortunately they are and a message that refusing to follow what exists will mean greater ones is the right approach as it might knock some sense into the establishments who were refusing to play ball when they realise that they are ruining things for the majority who will not be sympathetic to them if they get caught and dealt with.

TRANQUILLO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OorfiaOqQnA

Im no corrie fan but its hard to disagree with any of what she is saying there.

TRANQUILLO

I see Tomás Ryan was pouring slurry from his Ivory tower on the Eamon Dunphy podcast this morning. His tunnel vision from his comfortable position as a TCD professor is infuriating. He seemed to take a thinly veiled swipe at Dan O Brien too.

thebaz

end of the road wrote: »

simply locking away the vulnerable and throwing open the doors for the rest of us is unviable as it doesn't protect the vulnerable.
letting all go about their business with some restrictions and an advisery for vulnerable groups to go out that bit less if possible on the other hand does give protection while recognising the risks cannot be illiminated, it is the correct way to do this as it allows all to take part in the benefits of reopening and quite rightly that is the approach we have taken.
we can't not report facts because some might get anxiety, otherwise we will end up not reporting any news at all. anyone who think they may get anxiety from the reports of daily figures should do what they can to ignore them, but for those who are interested in such figures then they should be reported.

I agree with some of what you say , but do the number of cases have to be the headline news every day - The public need to be warned when this get serious , ie Hospital /health care reaching capacity or deaths and serious illness/ICU rapid increase - not number of daily cases , when many will not be very ill or be asymtomatic. It leads to mass anxiety , maybe you are ok to deal with it, but many I know it is having a serious impact on ther anxiety.

road_high

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

I see Tomás Ryan was pouring slurry from his Ivory tower on the Eamon Dunphy podcast this morning. His tunnel vision from his comfortable position as a TCD professor is infuriating. He seemed to take a thinly veiled swipe at Dan O Brien too.

Stick everyone of these pampered clowns on the €300 PUP indefinitely and come back to us thereafter

end of the road

thebaz wrote: »

I agree with some of what you say , but do the number of cases have to be the headline news every day - The public need to be warned when this get serious , ie Hospital /health care reaching capacity or deaths and serious illness/ICU rapid increase - not number of daily cases , when many will not be very ill or be asymtomatic. It leads to mass anxiety , maybe you are ok to deal with it, but many I know it is having a serious impact on ther anxiety.

that's why i'm suggesting that if someone is suffering from anxiety or feel they will do so because of the reporting of the daily figures, they should perhapse avoid listening to the reports on them.
the reports don't need to be headline news no but i assume that channels have something to show that there is enough interest for them to be so hence they are the main headline.
things are going well indeed and we are more or less open now which is what we all want.

Plumbthedepths

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

I see Tomás Ryan was pouring slurry from his Ivory tower on the Eamon Dunphy podcast this morning. His tunnel vision from his comfortable position as a TCD professor is infuriating. He seemed to take a thinly veiled swipe at Dan O Brien too.

I fear for Ryan and his colleagues mental health when they fade into obscurity again. The attention they are currently recieving surely must validate the years they spent in acedemic pursuits but when the attention slips away how will they cope.

Plumbthedepths

thebaz wrote: »

I agree with some of what you say , but do the number of cases have to be the headline news every day - The public need to be warned when this get serious , ie Hospital /health care reaching capacity or deaths and serious illness/ICU rapid increase - not number of daily cases , when many will not be very ill or be asymtomatic. It leads to mass anxiety , maybe you are ok to deal with it, but many I know it is having a serious impact on ther anxiety.

Even a group of doctors have said the daily ritual of releasing numbers should be stopped. It does nothing but incite fear. A weekly report would be sufficient.

shipposter

I think it's high time severe restrictions were placed on Dublin with all travel in and out banned, allowing the rest of the country to fully open up especially the small local pubs.

_Kaiser_

shipposter wrote: »

I think it's high time severe restrictions were placed on Dublin with all travel in and out banned, allowing the rest of the country to fully open up especially the small local pubs.

That's grand... except!

Ubless you also plan to restrict those who work in Dublin but live in surrounding counties then your idea won't do much.

You might also have the "minor" effect of crippling the domestic economy considering Dublin carries the rest from that perspective.

Wouldn't bother me personally as such as i don't live there anymore and have been WFH for months, but there's the bigger picture to thinik about.

And there's no reason for "lockdowns" anyway - ZERO deaths again today, minimal numbers in hospitals. OUTCOME is the important metric and most people are managing just fine - even if they DO get CV-19.