Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

FintanMcluskey

robbiezero wrote: »

Its almost Partridge-like at times.

Ronan, when did you realise you wanted to be a doctor?

JRant

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ronan, when did you realise you wanted to be a doctor?

"Is it yourself Ronan?"

I don't mind Dr Glynn at all. He has a remit and he's doing the best he can. Those wally's in government are a different animal altogether. Donnelly and MM are like the chuckle brothers at this stage.

acequion

acequion wrote: »

Why did ye all even watch it?? I was watching Netflix. I can't stomach The Late Late at the best of times but no way could I endure a dose of Ronan Glynn on a Friday night. The national obsession with this thing is definitely bordering on collective insanity. I'd hazard a pretty safe bet that we must be the only country featuring the bloody virus on weekend supposedly light entertainment shows.:rolleyes:

RTE are a funny bunch, they are very out of touch and live and operate in their own bubble. If it were at all possible, they would have the virus on for an interview where Tubridy would ask it about its Irish heritage.

Plumbthedepths

Read the article especially the section about the 28 day retention of receipts which was passed into law and then decide if I'm being unfair in suggesting we are being governed by a bunch of clueless p*icks( the mildest contempt I could post).


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/micheal-martin-calls-time-on-traditional-night-out-even-when-wet-pubs-reopen-39504811.html

moonage

Dr Malcolm Kendrick makes the point that we should be celebrating the increasing number of "cases" coupled with the extremely low death rates:

Whilst everyone is panicking about the ever-increasing number of cases, we should be celebrating them. They are demonstrating, very clearly, that COVID is far, far, less deadly then was feared. The Infection Fatality Rate is most likely going to end up around 0.1%, not 1%.

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/09/04/covid-why-terminology-really-matters/

Happydays2020

Open the pubs. This is ridiculous at this stage.

bucketybuck

They won't be opened any time soon, I think all the signs are there.

Consultation with various groups, talking about 9 month plans, maybe open by Christmas, schools have to be right first etc etc. Its all dog whistling leading to one thing, another delay by at least another month or two.

Happydays2020

bucketybuck wrote: »

They won't be opened any time soon, I think all the signs are there.

Consultation with various groups, talking about 9 month plans, maybe open by Christmas, schools have to be right first etc etc. Its all dog whistling leading to one thing, another delay by at least another month or two.

Germany debates cutting isolation to five days

Derek Scally
Germany is debating a shorter self-isolation period – five days instead of 14 – for individuals infected and potentially infected with Covid-19 after chancellor Angela Merkel’s virologist adviser suggested such a move would be risky but workable.
Prof Christian Drosten of Berlin’s Charité clinic said the increased risk of shorter isolation needed to be weighed up against the greater likelihood of more people adhering to such shorter isolation and the economic cost of extended work absences.
His proposal was aimed at so-called Covid “source clusters” – virus spread within a family, a flatshare or among party-goers – and not at people arriving in Germany from abroad. Germany operates a 14-day quarantine policy for people returning from high-risk countries.
“By saying five days I am reaching the pain threshold of epidemiology,” he said. “It is a bold claim to say, after five days the infectious phase is over.”
He made his proposal with an eye on a possible rise in infections in the autumn/win- ter, and employer concerns of a looming sick leave tidal wave.
It remains contested whether after five days the virus concentration in the throat is still high enough to make transmission likely.
The Charité virologist, credited with Germany’s early success in Covid track- and-trace, pointed out that the infectious period begins two days before the first symptoms and lasts up to five days. Factoring in this, along with the delays between test and result, he suggested it “made no sense” at a late stage of the infection cycle to impose a full 14 days of isolation.
Prof Drosten also suggested a shift towards testing not just for Covid-19 but also a second test to see whether a person is still infectious.
Germany’s federal health minister Jens Spahn told journalists yesterday he would consider a shorter isolation period in discussions with regional leaders before a new pandemic rulebook is presented on October 1st.
“In the end we have to weigh up in this phase of the pandemic how to balance everyday life and infection protection,” he said.
Anxious to avoid a second lockdown, Mr Spahn admitted this week that, based on today’s knowledge, Germany should never have shut shops in the spring lockdown.
A week after 40,000 people demonstrated in Berlin against Covid-19 restrictions, many Berlin politicians welcomed Prof Drosten’s suggestion as sensible.
Germany’s Covid-19 death rate lies at 9,319, with new infections running at 7.8 per 100,000 of population.

Captain_Crash

bucketybuck wrote: »

They won't be opened any time soon, I think all the signs are there.

Consultation with various groups, talking about 9 month plans, maybe open by Christmas, schools have to be right first etc etc. Its all dog whistling leading to one thing, another delay by at least another month or two.

There was suggestion from Ferghal Bowers in the Irish Times that a lot of the doctors who have ended up on NPHET have been campaigning with the government for years to restrict alcohol sales and reduce pub hours due to the health risks associated with alcohol and are now using COVID as a way of getting their wishes

MadYaker

Deleted User wrote: »

Disgusting TV on RTE. Exploiting the poor girl to have a nice misery slot before Glynn.

Glynn smugly suggesting that the majority support them. But ironically they are silent.

Awkward silence when pubs were mentioned.
Awkward silence when vaccine was mentioned.

But we should just stick with them and whatever they choose to implement over the next 9 months apparently.

You probably won't believe this but people who hold similar views to yourself with regards to the virus and restrictions are actually not the majority.

Plumbthedepths

MadYaker wrote: »

You probably won't believe this but people who hold similar views to yourself with regards to the virus and restrictions are actually not the majority.

Reading plenty of articles in the papers, it seems the narrative is beginning to change. Pubs opening soon, travel restrictions/advice changing, spectators at sports being examined.
Looking like the lock down crew will have to retreat to a bunker soon, although the €350 a week being cut may make that an unattractive proposition.

bucketybuck

Yet again the number of deaths reported today is a big fat zero. And what is currently the headline on the national broadcasters website?

"Warning for Dublin as dept of health reports 231 cases".

Such utter bull****.

road_high

MadYaker wrote: »

You probably won't believe this but people who hold similar views to yourself with regards to the virus and restrictions are actually not the majority.

You’d be very surprised indeed. Bit of a snowball effect going on re Covid handling.
Plus from my observations people are simply voting with their feet...every where I go lately seems to be busy. Garden centre/Cafe the other day and older people were easily the majority. If they were that worried and cowering Down in fear they’d all be at home. They aren’t

MadYaker

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Reading plenty of articles in the papers, it seems the narrative is beginning to change. Pubs opening soon, travel restrictions/advice changing, spectators at sports being examined.
Looking like the lock down crew will have to retreat to a bunker soon, although the €350 a week being cut may make that an unattractive proposition.

The media narrative that everyone on this thread is so obsessed with (and ive no idea why) is irrelevant. It has no bearing on the virus or the restrictions. The numbers and facts of our situatuion are what decides what happens with regards to pubs opening and spectators at sports etc.

road_high

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Reading plenty of articles in the papers, it seems the narrative is beginning to change. Pubs opening soon, travel restrictions/advice changing, spectators at sports being examined.
Looking like the lock down crew will have to retreat to a bunker soon, although the €350 a week being cut may make that an unattractive proposition.

It’s €300 now I think and no longer a blanket payment either. Lockdown foreva as a concept is over

end of the road

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/masks-key-to-reducing-covid-19-deaths-in-ireland-say-us-experts-1.4347042?mode=amp

Without masks, US academics say we'll have 1200 deaths by then end oft he year. Haha the IT now publishing "experts" in the US in order to drum up fear, the country with the worst covid response.

Let's be clear, the data shows this crisis is over and the only, the only, reason we still have restrictions and hear about it is due to a media hype campaign. There is zero data showing otherwise and the fact the media are using hyperbole is a clear demonstration of them not having any actual data to back up their narrative. Seeing Ronan G on the Late Late and Luke O'Neil launching a business to profit from covid is another example of how it is now a 15 minutes of fame thing for these unaccountable, jog for lifers.

Saying that twitter supports them is not evidence of public support, twitter is a small section of society and usually the same thinking type of people following a topic. It allows you to block people commenting on your posts so what happens is that people block comments they don't like. Always take twitter views with a huge box of salt. The majority of people I have met for weeks do not strictly follow the guidance, particularly the social distancing ones, they wear masks in certain settings as is required but it is just optics. Actual public support has subsided and people are just waiting for the all clear to get out and back to normal as they are not in fact fearful (why should they be?) like the media articles and Ronan Glynn with NPHET would prefer them to be.

meanwhile back here in the real world, the restrictions are still here to minimize the spread of the virus as much as is possible while allowing us to get on with our lives.
there is no media hype campaign or any other campaign, there is no scaremongering or fear mongering or any other type of mongering.
public support for lockdowns and restrictions never existed, anyone of us who defended such simply understood that they were necessary if we were to suppress and get back open, but we never wanted them.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Wait until the “vast approach” are asked to stump up the cash to pay for it.

The bill hasn’t been presented yet but it’s in the post.

the economic issues which were in all likely hood unavoidable no matter what approach was taken will not change the minds of most that our approach was necessary, as i said above none of us wanted lockdowns and restrictions but the virus had to be suppressed so we could reopen.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The support is high because the fear level has been ramped up since March. Easy to frighten people into a behaviour very difficult to unwind said fear.

there has been no fear level in the first place, never mind one being ramped up.
being provided with facts and information is not a policy of frightening people, if individuals are frightened, then that is an individual thing that cannot be stopped.

MadYaker

road_high wrote: »

It’s €300 now I think and no longer a blanket payment either. Lockdown foreva as a concept is over

See this the thing about this thread, "lockdown foreva" was never actually a concept or an idea that anyone on NPHET or in government was proposing or even mentioning. This is what I was talking about when I mentioned falsehoods and innacuracies. If you aren't really paying attention to whats happening then clearly you won't have a full understanding and as a result the restrictions and everything else seems mental.

end of the road

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Reading plenty of articles in the papers, it seems the narrative is beginning to change. Pubs opening soon, travel restrictions/advice changing, spectators at sports being examined.
Looking like the lock down crew will have to retreat to a bunker soon, although the €350 a week being cut may make that an unattractive proposition.

all this happening no doubt because of our approach which has allowed us to be in a position where we can reopen these particular sectors.
the non-existant lockdown crew are delighted that we are now in a position where this can be achieved.
thanks to the majority for doing our bit.

road_high wrote: »

You’d be very surprised indeed. Bit of a snowball effect going on re Covid handling.
Plus from my observations people are simply voting with their feet...every where I go lately seems to be busy. Garden centre/Cafe the other day and older people were easily the majority. If they were that worried and cowering Down in fear they’d all be at home. They aren’t

if anyone cowered down in fear they were in such a tiny minority that they were unnoticed.
almost everyone got on with their lives on a basic level during the worst part of this, while adhering to everything.

road_high wrote: »

It’s €300 now I think and no longer a blanket payment either. Lockdown foreva as a concept is over

lockdown foreva was never a concept, lockdown was always ever going to be temporary.
it would remain as long as needed to suppress the virus to a managible level, but it would always only ever be temporary.

road_high

If lockdown is temporary why are people suggesting it over and over and over as a “solution”? We have tried it. It did not work. We need new approaches

Plumbthedepths

MadYaker wrote: »

The media narrative that everyone on this thread is so obsessed with (and ive no idea why) is irrelevant. It has no bearing on the virus or the restrictions. The numbers and facts of our situatuion are what decides what happens with regards to pubs opening and spectators at sports etc.

Obsessed not at all, I've just noticed the stark change in how articles are being framed versus only a short few weeks ago. RTE seems to be the only one pushing the constant fear.
Politicians under pressure from various sectors, even the media ramping up the pressure.
The tanking economy will decide what happens with our restrictions. You need a serious reality check.
Do you think the opening of the schools was just to get kids back in education? It's also to get Mummy and Daddy back to work.

stephenjmcd

road_high wrote: »

If lockdown is temporary why are people suggesting it over and over and over as a “solution”? We have tried it. It did not work. We need new approaches

some just seem to love throwing it out there. To be honest i think some enjoy the thoughts of a lockdown

_Kaiser_

More fear mongering about new cases on the 6.1 news. Zero deaths (again) not getting even a fraction of the same coverage

_Kaiser_

... And now we're talking about cases in India :rolleyes:

road_high

stephenjmcd wrote: »

some just seem to love throwing it out there. To be honest i think some enjoy the thoughts of a lockdown

Absolutely many loved it. From the lazy bone idle (Of which our country is sadly overflowing to brimming with) to those completely unaffected in the professions and PS many did and relished it for many selfish if understandable reasons. No nightmare commuting, more quality time with family, no imperative to work but still be paid etc etc

firemansam4

MadYaker wrote:

The media narrative that everyone on this thread is so obsessed with (and ive no idea why) is irrelevant. It has no bearing on the virus or the restrictions. The numbers and facts of our situatuion are what decides what happens with regards to pubs opening and spectators at sports etc.

end of the road wrote:

there has been no fear level in the first place, never mind one being ramped up. being provided with facts and information is not a policy of frightening people, if individuals are frightened, then that is an individual thing that cannot be stopped.

Of course the fear level is relevant, it helps keep people on side.
I have not been as vocal as others on this thread about restrictions but it is quite obvious to me that the media have been putting a far more negative slant on how things have gone recently with this virus.
Statistics and facts can't be changed but the way they are presented to the public make a big difference.

If this trend of low hospitalizations and a very low death rate continue there are going to be many more people questioning the medias role in all of this.

end of the road

road_high wrote: »

If lockdown is temporary why are people suggesting it over and over and over as a “solution”? We have tried it. It did not work. We need new approaches

it did work, it is why we are now open more or less.
local lockdowns have been and may continue to be a feature of countries, we have done it along with the uk and others but a national lockdown isn't needed now and i haven't saw any suggestions that it should happen again.
the only way there would be a national lockdown now is if there was a serious explosion of the virus again which so far it doesn't seem to be happening, so far so good, long may it continue.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Obsessed not at all, I've just noticed the stark change in how articles are being framed versus only a short few weeks ago. RTE seems to be the only one pushing the constant fear.
Politicians under pressure from various sectors, even the media ramping up the pressure.
The tanking economy will decide what happens with our restrictions. You need a serious reality check.
Do you think the opening of the schools was just to get kids back in education? It's also to get Mummy and Daddy back to work.

the articles changed as the information changed as they always did throughout covid.
the government were always under pressure from various sectors but if it is not safe to reopen them then they won't be reopened.
the economy was always going to tank because of this, it was a question of by how much, and realistically the main economic contributers did more or less keep going throughout the pandemic anyway.
rte do not and have never pushed any fear, as they would not be allowed to do so, they are governed by regulations.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

More fear mongering about new cases on the 6.1 news. Zero deaths (again) not getting even a fraction of the same coverage

no fear mongering on the 6 1 news as rte would not be allowed to engage in fear mongering, and reporting information and facts is not fear mongering.
people are interested in the figures and obviously rte feel there is a demand to cover them so they do so.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

... And now we're talking about cases in India

nothing wrong with a bit of international news, it does interest some.

Assetbacked

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

... And now we're talking about cases in India :rolleyes:

I'm still waiting to hear about Italy, New York and the UK. Are these not places ravaged by covid and the media couldn't pull themselves off enough to create headlines about them. What happened? Why are we hearing about India now? Is it because the media try to keep the "covid is an ongoing crisis" BS headlines running and the UK, Italy and NYC aren't fitting into this narrative anymore?

Penfailed

road_high wrote: »

If lockdown is temporary...

Did you think that it was permanent?

Plumbthedepths

end of the road wrote: »

it did work, it is why we are now open more or less.
local lockdowns have been and may continue to be a feature of countries, we have done it along with the uk and others but a national lockdown isn't needed now and i haven't saw any suggestions that it should happen again.
the only way there would be a national lockdown now is if there was a serious explosion of the virus again which so far it doesn't seem to be happening, so far so good, long may it continue.




the articles changed as the information changed as they always did throughout covid.
the government were always under pressure from various sectors but if it is not safe to reopen them then they won't be reopened.
the economy was always going to tank because of this, it was a question of by how much, and realistically the main economic contributers did more or less keep going throughout the pandemic anyway.
rte do not and have never pushed any fear, as they would not be allowed to do so, they are governed by regulations.




no fear mongering on the 6 1 news as rte would not be allowed to engage in fear mongering, and reporting information and facts is not fear mongering.
people are interested in the figures and obviously rte feel there is a demand to cover them so they do so.




nothing wrong with a bit of international news, it does interest some.

If you have not got the courtesy to respond to an individual poster I'm putting you on ignore. Have some respect.

Micky 32

Penfailed wrote: »

Did you think that it was permanent?

It’s obvious people on here want permanent rolling lockdowns. We lockdown, cases drop. We open cases rise and the hysteria on here begins “ oh back to lockdown” rinse and repeat. The virus isn’t going anywhere. So if people got their way yes it would be permanent.