Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 12:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

So you don't think the fittest (young + healthy) will survive.

Where did I say that? Youngest and fittest very well survive but that does not mean washing hands with sanitizer and donning facemask is definition of fittest. Quite the contrary, being exposed to "elements" is what make us better suited to survive worse conditions. If you do not believe me go and try to find out why there we have so many allergies around these days.

Deleted User wrote: »

Or that if someone avoids virus and gets vaccine in 12 months may well survive alongside better treatments in 12 months.

Treatments are already here. Single biggest tool of surviving this virus and many other is in your own hands and it depends on your lifestyle. Then there are simple things which are proven to work. Vitamins, zinc and hydroxychlorquine.
Why do you think vaccine is going to solve anything? We already have quite an experience proving otherwise. Take influenza which is easier virus to crack and make vaccine for yet to this day hundreds of thousands people die annualy. Despite assortment of flu vaccines available.

Deleted User wrote: »

Also your assuming virus will get more lethal. Very negative attitude. Have coronaviruses not got milder also over time. I would also assume treatments/vaccines will continue to improve.

I do not asume that. I simply said that there is a possibility of that.

fritzelly · 06-09-2020 12:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Craigavon as well in north 2 cancer patients died during week when it got into cancer ward.

Two cancer patients died or two cancer patients caught it and died because of it?

Linky please

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 12:13AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Two cancer patients died or two cancer patients caught it and died because of it?

Linky please

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-two-patients-die-in-48-hours-amid-clusters-in-armagh-hospital-1.4347001

One given life expectancy of 10 years

Queried · 06-09-2020 12:13AM

screamer wrote: »

The longer this goes on, the more I see we are not in this together, it’s everyone for themselves. I’m pretty sick of the fighting about who is right and who is wrong. We’re still learning and people are trying their best. My life and my family’s lives are worth more than not wearing a mask or sanitising hands. I’ve secured a decent supply of fpp2 and fpp3 masks and I use them to protect me, and I put them on the kids to protect them. I’ve also got a large stock of decent sanitizer and we are regimented about sanitising hands when out and about. I am happy that I am doing the right thing for us, I don’t really care about others anymore, I protect my own, let others do as they please. It’s our health and lives in the balance so if people are happy with the choices they make, leave them off. I’m protected best as I can be, and that’s all that matters to me.

I agree. Personally, I've come to the stage where I just want to be happy with my own choices to protect those I love, so should anything happen I won't regret any of my actions. We have to let everyone decide for themselves how they approach things. There are so many factors at play, I know the restrictions we've had have been so hard for people but for me they weren't so bad because the possible personal cost to me could possibly be so much worse should certain family members get infected. Not everyone is in my situation though, so I can't judge people for not thinking the same way as me. We can't control other people's actions, only our own.

fritzelly · 06-09-2020 12:15AM

joeguevara wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-two-patients-die-in-48-hours-amid-clusters-in-armagh-hospital-1.4347001

One given life expectancy of 10 years

Doesn't say they died because of it and that 10 years is a bit way out there

B.A._Baracus · 06-09-2020 12:16AM

Steve F wrote: »

Was behind a fella in supermarket checkout today wearing his mask under his chin the whole time.
Why? WHY?
I have absolutely no idea.
However what I do think is quite a lot of people still haven't grasped how viruses are transmitted.
An hour or so in town today doing a few bit and pieces and the things I saw...we are stuffed until we get an effective,safe vaccine.A lot are clueless.

Making a big joke of touching elbows then standing face to face less than a metre apart no masks exchanging potentially virus laden spittle......

Yeah. I have seen many people "wearing" a mask but their nose isn't covered.
You just know these people are only half-arsing things.

Wolf359f · 06-09-2020 12:20AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Feels like March all over again.

How did an outbreak happen in a hospital now?

Simple, the higher cases in the public, the higher risk healthcare workers can be infected, either in or out of work. Same for protecting nursing homes. The onus is on the public to keep case numbers as low as possible.
1 in 20 people in Ireland work in healthcare, so 200 cases today, statistically that's 10 HCW's potentially infected. Yes they take precautions, but there's no 100% prevention method to Covid, it's all risk management. Higher cases = higher risk for everyone.

06-09-2020 12:30AM

Survival of the fittest and the sensible

patnor1011 wrote: »

Quite the opposite.
By not being exposed to earlier strains there is no possible immunity gained to possible worse mutations coming.
Viruses do not go anywhere but around. This one is here to stay so chances are that even with rigorous routine mistakes will happen eventually.

You said" quite the opposite "to my quote of survival of the fittest and sensible.

Fittest is generally young and healthy

Treatments you say are here. Yes but they will probably improve in 12 months.

You only suggested it could strengthen, but the opposite is probably more likely. Viruses do not want to kill you.

06-09-2020 12:30AM

With outbreaks in hospitals, is it fair to say that the hospitalisations are increasing as a result but the patients are not really hospitalised because of Covid? Just a positive test while in hospital.

stephenjmcd · 06-09-2020 12:31AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

With outbreaks in hospitals, is it fair to say that the hospitalisations are increasing as a result but the patients are not really hospitalised because of Covid? Just a positive test while in hospital.

Certainly looks that way in regards to Beaumont anyway. Would explain the high number of test results and recorded cases there recently

SeaBreezes · 06-09-2020 12:31AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Doesn't say they died because of it and that 10 years is a bit way out there

Two patients who were being treated in a hospital ward in Co Armagh that is at the centre of a coronavirus cluster have died in the last 48 hours.

The patients, who both tested positive for Covid-19, were receiving treatment in the haematology ward at Craigavon Area Hospital, the Southern Health and Social Care Trust confirmed on Friday.

A third patient who had Covid-19 who had been treated on the ward has also died, after being discharged, but the disease was not the primary cause of death, the trust said

My reading of that paragraph is that 3 had covid19, 2 died from it and one died from something else.

fritzelly · 06-09-2020 12:36AM

My reading is one definitely didn't die of it (probably end of life) and the other two are awaiting autopsy
They were all very sick and many things could have happened - lets not jump to conclusions

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 12:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Survival of the fittest and the sensible

You said" quite the opposite "to my quote of survival of the fittest and sensible.

Fittest is generally young and healthy

Treatments you say are here. Yes but they will probably improve in 12 months.

You only suggested it could strengthen, but the opposite is probably more likely. Viruses do not want to kill you.

Come on. This looks like kindergarden where attention span drops by the minute.
I know what I said in response to your "Survival of the fittest and the sensible" post which by the way you directed at another poster who is trying to isolate himself and his family. Trying to hide from something does not guarantee your survival and certainly does not mean you are the fittest. There is no hiding from covid and everyone will have to deal with it eventually.
Peace.

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 12:41AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

My reading of that paragraph is that 3 had covid19, 2 died from it and one died from something else.

My reading of that paragraph is that 3 died with covid. One definitely not because of that and in other two cases we will know more from autopsy.

fritzelly · 06-09-2020 12:44AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

My reading of that paragraph is that 3 died with covid. One definitely not because of that and in other two cases we will know more from autopsy.

Is there an echo in the room

06-09-2020 12:45AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Come on. This looks like kindergarden where attention span drops by the minute.
I know what I said in response to your "Survival of the fittest and the sensible" post which by the way you directed at another poster who is trying to isolate himself and his family. Trying to hide from something does not guarantee your survival and certainly does not mean you are the fittest. There is no hiding from covid and everyone will have to deal with it eventually.
Peace.

Not responding anymore.

Your getting too personal.

Nobody said hide, defer.

The longer you avoid, better your chances in general in my humble opinion. Herd immunity will help weakest. At the moment this is making normally healthy people very sick.

The fittest will survive no matter when they get it.

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 12:48AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Ah for fcuk sake. I hate this virus. It's really taking out the weak.

Nature has always thinned the herd.

cadaliac · 06-09-2020 12:52AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Nature has always thinned the herd.

Really? Seriously. Is that it?

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 12:59AM

cadaliac wrote: »

Really? Seriously. Is that it?

We like to elevate ourselves to a status above other living creatures , that's fine for a philosophical discussion worthy of a thread of it's own. Really? Seriously yes illness, virus , bacteria kills off the weaker. You may not like the language I use but it's fact.

Roger_007 · 06-09-2020 01:00AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Nature has always thinned the herd.

The Darwinian theory of evolution is that the survival of the fittest is essential to the survival of the species. We sometimes forget that the human species is subject to the laws of nature just like every other species.
We like to think that our technology and medical know how can subvert the laws of nature. We can do that to a certain extent but ultimately the laws of nature will prevail.

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 01:00AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not responding anymore.

Your getting too personal.

Not personal. I was trying to explain you what I meant and you did not understand it and perhaps still do not understand.

Deleted User wrote: »

Nobody said hide, defer.

The longer you avoid, better your chances in general in my humble opinion. The fittest will survive no matter when they get it.

That is questionable. I would actually think it is way better to get it now and get every care imaginable in pretty much empty but well staffed and resourced hospital. Compared to getting it later when things get back to normal which in our case means waiting lists for everything, overcrowded hospitals with people on trolleys and exhausted staff.

Deleted User wrote: »

Herd immunity will help weakest. At the moment this is making normally healthy people very sick.

Nope. It is not. Absolute majority do not have any complications whatsoever. Most of them do not even know they have it. Some do end up with some damage but things like that sometimes happens.

cadaliac · 06-09-2020 01:08AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

We like to elevate ourselves to a status above other living creatures , that's fine for a philosophical discussion worthy of a thread of it's own. Really? Seriously yes illness, virus , bacteria kills off the weaker. You may not like the language I use but it's fact.

Understood. What do you think we should do?

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 01:11AM

cadaliac wrote: »

Understood. What do you think we should do?

We're already doing it. If the idea was truly to protect the weakest we would be confined to our homes until a guaranteed vaccine was available.

DevilsHaircut · 06-09-2020 01:12AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Nature has always thinned the herd.

Showing their true colours now.

B.A._Baracus · 06-09-2020 01:15AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

We like to elevate ourselves to a status above other living creatures , that's fine for a philosophical discussion worthy of a thread of it's own. Really? Seriously yes illness, virus , bacteria kills off the weaker. You may not like the language I use but it's fact.

You are correct that it is a fact. Sadly nature has.
But there is one tiny, teeny problem when someone says "Nature has always thinned the herd" (or there other) and that's it never applies to ourselves or our loved ones when we use it

DevilsHaircut · 06-09-2020 01:16AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

We're already doing it. If the idea was truly to protect the weakest we would be confined to our homes until a guaranteed vaccine was available.

Does that include your 'son's' partner who needed a kidney?

06-09-2020 01:20AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Not personal. I was trying to explain you what I meant and you did not understand it and perhaps still do not understand.

That is questionable. I would actually think it is way better to get it now and get every care imaginable in pretty much empty but well staffed and resourced hospital. Compared to getting it later when things get back to normal which in our case means waiting lists for everything, overcrowded hospitals with people on trolleys and exhausted staff.

Nope. It is not. Absolute majority do not have any complications whatsoever. Most of them do not even know they have it. Some do end up with some damage but things like that sometimes happens.

I don't have to agree with you.

I think I would probably be fine.

I'm 35-44 category. Not over weight. No known underlying conditions. Ran a 10k in under 36 mins earlier this year. Still cautious for me and my bubble around me. Can I avoid this virus for the rest of my life? No. Would I prefer to wait for a vaccine in 6-12 months time? Yes. Your entitled to be indifferent of when you get it. I'm not.

cadaliac · 06-09-2020 01:21AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

We're already doing it. If the idea was truly to protect the weakest we would be confined to our homes until a guaranteed vaccine was available.

I don't think the original idea was to protect the weakest, it is to protect all people.
Yes we need to protect the weakest but....do you not think we should protect everyone?

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 01:22AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

You are correct that it is a fact. Sadly.
But there is one tiny, teeny problem when someone says "Nature has always thinned the herd" (or there other) and that's it never applies to ourselves or our loved ones when we use it

No offense but you are projecting your thought process on me, not how life works. I'm fully aware of my mortality and that of the people close to me. A few years in the Fire service negates romantic notions of a beautiful existence. I value what I have but I'm pragmatic , I know it doesn't last.

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 01:22AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

You are correct that it is a fact. Sadly nature has.
But there is one tiny, teeny problem when someone says "Nature has always thinned the herd" (or there other) and that's it never applies to ourselves or our loved ones when we use it

You are not entirely correct.
First, only those who survived can talk so whoever died cant back or refute that statement.
Secondly, I have no doubt that there are people here who suffer from some serious medical condition (I am one of them by the way) who are prime example of "nature thinning the herd". Or am I mistaken?
This virus is not the only threat we face and not the only gun in nature's arsenal it seems.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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