Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Sconsey · 05-09-2020 10:01PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

We've been there multiple times. And I'm actually kinda sick of repeating myself especially since I'm talking to a wall. But sure lets do it one more time.

In a lab scenario a live virus was found in hospital air or 5 metres away on a surface in a room full of covid patients.
This is the 'evidenc'e that covid is 'airborne'.

All it means that in principle, yes, covid can be 'airborne' in aerosol. (Although I dont think that even quite meets the definition of airborne)

But anyway, a room full of covid patients is hardly the same as the cheese aisle in fkn Lidl is it? Thats like saying man can go to the moon, its proven, and then concluding that I might bump into John and Mary on the moon next week. Ok I'm exaggerating obviously but what I'm saying is that the so-called evidence is circumstantial at best.

But yet anyone who points this out is an idiot while the others are all speaking 'science'. You couldn't make it up actually.

If those patients were in the cheese isle in Lidl then you would have to admit that the virus could behave in the same way no? The virus does not know what the inside of s supermarket is.
Now add to that the fact that a huge percentage of contagious people may be asymptomatic and also have a hankering for some cheap cheese.

Away With The Fairies · 05-09-2020 10:03PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I know someone who has been wearing a mask for weeks into shops and has never washed it. I see other people in shops with manky crumpled dirty looking masks. Those people are a bio-hazard.

Those visors should be banned as well.

jackboy · 05-09-2020 10:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I know someone who has been wearing a mask for weeks into shops and has never washed it. I see other people in shops with manky crumpled dirty looking masks. Those people are a bio-hazard.

Most people are wearing masks only because it is compulsory. Before being made compulsory most people didn’t wear them. So, it’s hardly surprising they are not being worn correctly.

It’s not that they don’t know how to wear them, it’s that they just don’t care.

CalamariFritti · 05-09-2020 10:05PM

Sconsey wrote: »

If those patients were in the cheese isle in Lidl then you would have to admit that the virus could behave in the same way no? The virus does not know what the inside of s supermarket is.
Now add to that the fact that a huge percentage of contagious people may be asymptomatic and also have a hankering for some cheap cheese.

A room full of covid patients in a hospital. As in the most symptomatic people you will find. The ones that need to be hospitalised.

Look I dont know either. I will not claim that I know anything. How could I? I'm just a Joe Soap. But I know evidence and logic when I see it. This aint it.

joeguevara · 05-09-2020 10:05PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

We've been there multiple times. And I'm actually kinda sick of repeating myself especially since I'm talking to a wall. But sure lets do it one more time.

In a lab scenario a live virus was found in hospital air or 5 metres away on a surface in a room full of covid patients.
This is the 'evidenc'e that covid is 'airborne'.

All it means that in principle, yes, covid can be 'airborne' in aerosol. (Although I dont think that even quite meets the definition of airborne)

But anyway, a room full of covid patients is hardly the same as the cheese aisle in fkn Lidl is it? Thats like saying man can go to the moon, its proven, and then concluding that I might bump into John and Mary on the moon next week. Ok I'm exaggerating obviously but what I'm saying is that the so-called evidence is circumstantial at best. Nobody has any idea if and when and how dangerous covid aerosol concentrations occur in real world scenarios. Not that I've seen it anyway.

But yet anyone who points this out is an idiot while the others are all speaking 'science'. You couldn't make it up actually.

All the while everyone can observe people fidgeting with masks. Touching their faces all the time. Which was the one thing we weren't supposed to under any circumstance when out and about.

So yes while it may sound crazy but its not actually off the table that masks do more damage then they prevent.

Hold on a second here. The question posed was there is no evidence that active virus was transmitted by aerosol. An actual scientific experiment shows it does.

But what proves the experiment is real life scenarios and examples and hey presto here we are

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Now to rebut that show me evidence that masks offer no reduction in transmission or as was put forward increase it.

But as always said hand washing is required

drunkmonkey · 05-09-2020 10:07PM

Sconsey wrote: »

LOL you keep punting.

Masks thread has a wealth of links to scientific studies on the topic.

Not in the general population as we've mandated we don't, all the scientific studies are in the link if you'd like to read the real world evidence.

What's your estimate on the case number increase today if we had just stuck with the 2 meter distancing and hand washing and not mandated masks and what evidence are you basing that increase on?
I'll lol if you can actually answer that.

Curious_Case · 05-09-2020 10:08PM

In my experience, the conspiracy theorists who tout the Covid Pandemic as a bid for control by those in, ahem, control are usually video game jockeys who will also tell you that the CIA are hugely involved in running drugs into the US.

So, ask them, will the "powers that be" be facilitating the use of credit cards for street dealing after they've imposed a cashless society ?

CalamariFritti · 05-09-2020 10:13PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Hold on a second here. The question posed was there is no evidence that active virus was transmitted by aerosol. An actual scientific experiment shows it does.

But what proves the experiment is real life scenarios and examples and hey presto here we are

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Now to rebut that show me evidence that masks offer no reduction in transmission or as was put forward increase it.

But as always said hand washing is required

Which just rehashes the thing thats called tissue stops droplets. Again I will not argue with that. Then it goes into real life measured stuff.

The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points.

Really? 2 percentage points? To me that could just as easily be the psychological effect of having to wear them.

Meanwhile I observe people with masks being at their faces all the time. All the time. While out and about. Not washing their hands. Mask up mask down. Mask into pocket mask out of pocket. Adjust mask. Scratch mask. All the time.

Its absolutely not off the table that masks do more damage than they prevent.

Sconsey · 05-09-2020 10:17PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not in the general population as we've mandated we don't, all the scientific studies are in the link if you'd like to read the real world evidence.

What's your estimate on the case number increase today if we had just stuck with the 2 meter distancing and hand washing and not mandated masks and what evidence are you basing that increase on?
I'll lol if you can actually answer that.

Response to your first paragraph: what? I don't understand what you are asking. What is not mandated in the general population?

Second paragraph: I've no idea what case numbers would be like, I don't have a crystal ball. But who said not to keep hand washing and distancing? If you are not following the guidance then shame on you.

drunkmonkey · 05-09-2020 10:18PM

joeguevara wrote: »

But as always said hand washing is required

Hand washing isn't happening when people are coming in and out of shops, masks are being pulled out of pockets, handbags, up from the chin, the floor of the car, people are not taking the proper precautions if there going to use it as part of their on guard daily measures it needs to be consistent and managed correctly. The general population aren't going to do that, sure half of them aren't even turning up for a test.

drunkmonkey · 05-09-2020 10:29PM

Sconsey wrote: »

I've no idea what case numbers would be like, I don't have a crystal ball.

I knew you hadn't a beans, you told me go look at the science yet you've no idea what the science says. LOL:D

Non solum non ambulabit · 05-09-2020 10:30PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

That dip that worldwide cases seemed to be taking is turning around. 299k cases yesterday. Might cross 300k for today.

3 countries driving well over half the numbers

Non solum non ambulabit · 05-09-2020 10:31PM

Vicxas wrote: »

In what way?

Worldwide deaths are no where close to being worse than ever.

CalamariFritti · 05-09-2020 10:34PM

Sconsey wrote: »

Response to your first paragraph: what? I don't understand what you are asking. What is not mandated in the general population?

Second paragraph: I've no idea what case numbers would be like, I don't have a crystal ball. But who said not to keep hand washing and distancing? If you are not following the guidance then shame on you.

But its not really about what you and I and people should do. It's about what the general populace actually does. And they're messing around with their masks and they couldn't possibly all be washing their hands in between.

Which is - funny enough - exactly what we were told months ago would happen and thats why masks wouldnt work.

And again I'm not claiming anything. All I'm saying is that evidence is thin at best. It justifies by no means the general conviction on display here.

And thats me done on masks. I'll wear them while mandatory cos I'm a law abiding guy generally and thats it. But convinced I'm not. Over and out.

Sconsey · 05-09-2020 10:36PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I knew you hadn't a beans, you told me go look at the science yet you've no idea what the science says. LOL:D

Brilliant, so then why don't you answer me this...what would todays case numbers be if masks had not been made optional?

You're some ejit if you can jump to the conclusion that someone who believes in the value of masks should be able to predict the daily case numbers. Seriously explain your logic on that one. Are you sore that I laughed at you or something?

Away With The Fairies · 05-09-2020 10:38PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Hand washing isn't happening when people are coming in and out of shops, masks are being pulled out of pockets, handbags, up from the chin, the floor of the car, people are not taking the proper precautions if there going to use it as part of their on guard daily measures it needs to be consistent and managed correctly. The general population aren't going to do that, sure half of them aren't even turning up for a test.

Completely agree with you about clueless people with their masks. But that doesn't make masks useless.

caveat emptor · 05-09-2020 10:41PM

The gov couldn’t procure enough masks for health care workers and other front line people.

They had to Prevent more pressure on the supply by saying they are not effective even though they needed them desperately for HCWs.

Once things calmed down and the supply of PPE was secure they then said public should wear them.

Today people are clinging to the lie to justify cases rising even though the worst affected eu countries are in second wave had much stricter mask laws from the start.the government needs to explain the white lie so the like of Jim and Gemma don’t brainwash ordinary people.

Blondini · 05-09-2020 10:41PM

54 community transmission today. How does that compare percentage wise to recently?

drunkmonkey · 05-09-2020 10:44PM

Sconsey wrote: »

Brilliant, so then why don't you answer me this...what would todays case numbers be if masks had not been made optional?

You're some ejit if you can jump to the conclusion that someone who believes in the value of masks should be able to predict the daily case numbers. Seriously explain your logic on that one. Are you sore that I laughed at you or something?

Good Lord will you go listen to the professor and have a read of the evidence and stick a number on it. I've one just want to hear your's first once you're had a look at your science.

I'm not sore but you've not explained how you think there is a benefit and what the benefit is. You're in no position to call someone an ejit just yet.

CalamariFritti · 05-09-2020 10:45PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The gov couldn’t procure enough masks for health care workers and other front line people.

They had to Prevent more pressure on the supply by saying they are not effective even though they needed them desperately for HCWs.

Once things calmed down and the supply of PPE was secure they then said public should wear them.

Today people are clinging to the lie to justify cases rising even though the worst affected eu countries are in second wave had much stricter mask laws from the start.the government needs to explain the white lie so the like of Jim and Gemma don’t brainwash ordinary people.

You're just assuming something, making stuff up. If it was that important they could have just told us to wear a scarf or a bandana or a snood or a hanky.

Definitely out now.

spookwoman · 05-09-2020 10:50PM

HSE Operations report for the 5th
48 cases in hospital
7 confirmed in ICU and 8 Suspected
0 Deaths
6 Confirmed Ventilated and 5 suspected

Sconsey · 05-09-2020 10:52PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Good Lord will you go listen to the professor and have a read of the evidence and stick a number on it. I've one just want to hear your's first once you're had a look at your science.

I'm not sore but you've not explained how you think there is a benefit and what the benefit is. You're in no position to call someone an ejit just yet.

Do you not realize there are multiple factors that impact the case numbers?

'My' science says masks will reduce the risk of transmission in indoor public places.
'My' science does not tell me what actual number of cases will be because there are hundreds of other factors.
I am saying masks are a factor, one of many.

Now back to you, you seem to know what the case numbers would be if we hadn't mandated masks, go on, tell us (please show how you came to the number).

patnor1011 · 05-09-2020 10:52PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

In March and April we had no one in our homes . No restaurants open , no retail , no shopping centres , no B and Q or Ikea etc . .

Not quite. Over a third of workforce was out and about doing what they did previously to maintain this lockdown illusion. I know I was one of them. Now add in families of people whose lockdown experience was that they had to queue in a shops on top of going about their normal working day. Then add visiting friends and family as I can guarantee you that this heppened it is just not being spoken about.

patnor1011 · 05-09-2020 10:55PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

90,600 new cases in India. Holy ****.

That is like 1 in 14k of people. Considering their population, population density and (no offense meant) their third world status this number is not that big.

Steve F · 05-09-2020 10:55PM

Was behind a fella in supermarket checkout today wearing his mask under his chin the whole time.
Why? WHY?
I have absolutely no idea.
However what I do think is quite a lot of people still haven't grasped how viruses are transmitted.
An hour or so in town today doing a few bit and pieces and the things I saw...we are stuffed until we get an effective,safe vaccine.A lot are clueless.

Making a big joke of touching elbows then standing face to face less than a metre apart no masks exchanging potentially virus laden spittle......

ACitizenErased · 05-09-2020 11:00PM

Blondini wrote: »

54 community transmission today. How does that compare percentage wise to recently?

23% is below average, think 25% is about normal and 35% is worse case atm

bb1234567 · 05-09-2020 11:01PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

This is simply not true. Not even a small bit true. Where to start?

Hungary just shut its borders. To everyone except returning citizens and residents.

There are local 'lockdown' measures in place in many parts of the UK such as Greater Manchester, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Glasgow.

Spain is planning a 3 phase lockdown beginning the 18th of this month which will close 'non-essential businesses' and prohibit movement between regions.

France's PM Emmanuel Macron said he couldn't rule out another national lockdown (which was far, far more restrictive than our one btw).

I mean, just have a read on the internet. People in Ireland cannot go to the GAA and the pubs and you have people going on like we are living under a dictatorship. Get some perspective.

You'd have to wonder about the posters who constantly bleat on and on about how strict and overreactive Ireland is. They must have very little access to international news if they think otherwise. Life in Ireland is more normal than a lot of the world. Argentinafor example is under full lockdown still, like what we had in March except they still have it going on for over 165 days straight now. And you've posters crying about ****ing pubs. Jesus H christ

mloc123 · 05-09-2020 11:01PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

That is like 1 in 14k of people. Considering their population, population density and (no offense meant) their third world status this number is not that big.

This is the number of cases they are actually finding... Likely to me more like a million a day in Reality.

Blondini · 05-09-2020 11:02PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

23% is below average, think 25% is about normal and 35% is worse case atm

Cheers..

ACitizenErased · 05-09-2020 11:02PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

That is like 1 in 14k of people. Considering their population, population density and (no offense meant) their third world status this number is not that big.

If they're getting 90,000 confirmed swabs per day the actual number is likely a lot, lot higher, due to the fact they can't test everybody.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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