Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

TonyMaloney · 02-09-2020 12:02PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Do people not realise these school cases were not caught in school? Like it doesn’t matter if its in a school or not

That's almost certainly true.

The point is though that covid's knocking on the door and it'll eventually get in, and in the mean time a lot of kids are going to be sent home.

It'll follow a similar pattern to Scotland. It's not going well there, and it's early days.

odyssey06 · 02-09-2020 12:03PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Do people not realise these school cases were not caught in school? Like it doesn’t matter if its in a school or not

Pupil zero no.
It's whether the rest of the class is infected that is school related.

Boggles · 02-09-2020 12:05PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Do people not realise these school cases were not caught in school?

Literally no one has suggested they were.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Like it doesn’t matter if its in a school or not

Why did they send the class home so for 14 days?

Bizarre thing to do if "doesn't matter".

JDD · 02-09-2020 12:05PM

It'll follow a similar pattern to Scotland. It's not going well there, and it's early days.

Isn't it going well there though? I know there was one outbreak amongst teachers in a special school in Dundee, and then there was a massive uptick in the requests for tests by parents of schoolgoing children.

So they carried out the tests on 17.500 schoolgoing children in the second and third week of August and found...47 cases in the second week and 49 cases in the third week. I'd say that's an absolute success on opening schools - I'd imagine we will go the same way.

EDIT: I fully expect there to be 10-20 further positive cases in schools before the end of the week. Out of approximately 100 people a day testing positive, you'd expect about 3 of those cases a day to be chidren between 5-17 years. It will be next week and the week after that we will know about any clusters.

Remember - it doesn't matter if 100 classes in 100 schools across the state are closed at any one time for 14 days. That will be 3,000 children at home out of a school going population of 1 million. It will STILL be the right choice to have the schools open.

TonyMaloney · 02-09-2020 12:08PM

JDD wrote: »

Isn't it going well there though? I know there was one outbreak amongst teachers in a special school in Dundee, and then there was a massive uptick in the requests for tests by parents of schoolgoing children.

So they carried out the tests on 17.500 schoolgoing children in the second and third week of August and found...47 cases in the second week and 49 cases in the third week. I'd say that's an absolute success on opening schools - I'd imagine we will go the same way.

117 kids have tested positive since their schools reopened
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/117-children-tested-positive-covid-18863808

15.5% of Scottish pupils were absent last Friday
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-53983392

As I said - it's early days

seamus · 02-09-2020 12:10PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Why can't schools give classes online?

The question may be short and simple, but the answer is long.

Many pupils won't have access to the equipment, infrastructure or space to do online classes.

Even if that problem was overcome, classes with a significant practical aspect can't be effectively done online.

Even if that was overcome, online learning requires a certain level of personal discipline, that will be completely lacking in children under a certain age, and will also be a problem for children with special needs and children in at-risk home situations.

In short, online classes are a possibility for a certain percentage of kids in education, but are not a general solution to the problem.

Gael23 · 02-09-2020 12:11PM

is_that_so wrote: »

At least it's not another "important two weeks" declaration. As unpleasant as it is we need to hear a whole lot more of what they are thinking, longer term because the government doesn't look like filling us in on a plan any time soon.

Even if things don’t change by Christmas, any restrictions will fall on deaf ears and the Garda won’t have the resources on Christmas Day to enforce it

thelad95 · 02-09-2020 12:11PM

I'd personally rather that these cases are being found than living in blind ignorance like what happened in March.

The one thing I find concerning is the response to a positive case takes no account whatsoever of asymptomatic spread.

By the way, whatever measures are in place on week 1 will completely disappear within a few weeks as complacency kicks in. I live near a school and see teenage kids walking out shoulder to shoulder outside with the masks off or in the pocket. I mean honestly what's the point of any measure in the classroom if this is going to be how it is the second they're off school grounds?

We have overcrowded and under funded schools all over the country (this has been signalled for years and successive governments have done nothing) and it's really going to bite us this winter.

TonyMaloney · 02-09-2020 12:12PM

seamus wrote: »

The question may be short and simple, but the answer is long.

Many pupils won't have access to the equipment, infrastructure or space to do online classes.

Even if that problem was overcome, classes with a significant practical aspect can't be effectively done online.

Even if that was overcome, online learning requires a certain level of personal discipline, that will be completely lacking in children under a certain age, and will also be a problem for children with special needs and children in at-risk home situations.

In short, online classes are a possibility for a certain percentage of kids in education, but are not a general solution to the problem.

So leave schools and classes open for those that can't or shouldn't partake in online-learning

caveat emptor · 02-09-2020 12:14PM

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1301061853796237312?s=20

https://twitter.com/Ryanair/status/1301113389842747392?s=20

Coronavirus: Tui halts trips to Zante resort of Laganas after virus clusters

Travel company Tui has cancelled all holidays to a party resort on a Greek island because of customers failing to follow coronavirus safety measures.
Tui said it would no longer be offering trips to the resort of Laganas, on Zante, from Thursday.
It comes after six clusters of cases were linked to flights from the island.
The UK government is under pressure to reconsider England's quarantine rules for Greece, after both Scotland and Wales introduced their own measures.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53993399

Hurrache · 02-09-2020 12:15PM

seamus wrote: »

The question may be short and simple, but the answer is long.

Many pupils won't have access to the equipment, infrastructure or space to do online classes.

Even if that problem was overcome, classes with a significant practical aspect can't be effectively done online.

Even if that was overcome, online learning requires a certain level of personal discipline, that will be completely lacking in children under a certain age, and will also be a problem for children with special needs and children in at-risk home situations.

In short, online classes are a possibility for a certain percentage of kids in education, but are not a general solution to the problem.

From what I've seen there's also massive variances amongst how schools and teachers approach it. Some have been quite good given the short notice, others basically just phone it in using ready made lessons taken from the internet with little or no input from themselves.

redmgar · 02-09-2020 12:15PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Even if things don’t change by Christmas, any restrictions will fall on deaf ears and the Garda won’t have the resources on Christmas Day to enforce it

Any restrictions will come into place in the October mid-term which if there is any form of lockdow will be increased from 1 week to 2-3 weeks.

Santy2015 · 02-09-2020 12:19PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Why can't schools give classes online?

How’s tinker bell?

JDD · 02-09-2020 12:22PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

117 kids have tested positive since their schools reopened
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/117-children-tested-positive-covid-18863808

15.5% of Scottish pupils were absent last Friday
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-53983392

As I said - it's early days

Is that all? Out of approx 1800 new cases in Scotland in Augustf? 6% of new infections were schoolchildren - which seems about right for the statistics in other months. Therefore it appears that opening the schools in Scotland has been a roaring success. And it's only right that 15% of children are at home if parents are keeping those with seasonal cold symptoms at home, and the children in the classes of the 117 pupils are self isolating.

But yes, it is early days so they can't be slapping themselves on the back just yet. If we follow the same pattern, we should have about 10 classes going home to self isolate this week, with 15-20 being sent home over the next week or two. Every new class closure will cease to be front page news very soon.

But the classes will reopen, education will continue, and on we will go.

Charles Babbage · 02-09-2020 12:25PM

seamus wrote: »

The question may be short and simple, but the answer is long.

Many pupils won't have access to the equipment, infrastructure or space to do online classes.

Even if that problem was overcome, classes with a significant practical aspect can't be effectively done online.

Even if that was overcome, online learning requires a certain level of personal discipline, that will be completely lacking in children under a certain age, and will also be a problem for children with special needs and children in at-risk home situations.

In short, online classes are a possibility for a certain percentage of kids in education, but are not a general solution to the problem.

One credible escalation is people coming in half the time and doing online/videos etc the other half. This would address the discipline aspect to some extent and would reduce the other issues. Half a class could probably be successfully socially distanced. Not perfect but perhaps reasonable.

pc7 · 02-09-2020 12:25PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Even if things don’t change by Christmas, any restrictions will fall on deaf ears and the Garda won’t have the resources on Christmas Day to enforce it

But I know my inlaws wouldn't break any government guideline, even if it is a load of crapola

MD1990 · 02-09-2020 12:25PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1301117603050594304

A bigger rise in cases & decisions will need to be made.

bb1234567 · 02-09-2020 12:26PM

Northern Ireland has seen proportionally much higher excess death than the republic during the pandemic, and their excess deaths follow the confirmed covid deaths much more closely.

NI reported 885 excess deaths between March and June, compared with 837 confirmed COVID deaths. This is almost a 20% increase on average mortality rate for that period.

Our excess deaths are only 900 now with almost 1800 confirmed deaths.

Interesting how different it was, doesn't seem like NI was doing any overcounting of deaths like us.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-53566183

Speak Now · 02-09-2020 12:29PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Why can't schools give classes online?

You must be one of the lucky ones with good connectivity.

Sweet.Science · 02-09-2020 12:29PM

2 weeks without even one death in ROI

The hysteria hasn't stopped though

Anxiety the big elephant in the room

Charles Babbage · 02-09-2020 12:33PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

2 weeks without even one death in ROI

The hysteria hasn't stopped though

Anxiety the big elephant in the room

Given the state of death reporting, we cannot be sure of that, it hasn't been unsusual for deaths to show up weeks later.

Irish Aris · 02-09-2020 12:34PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1301061853796237312?s=20

https://twitter.com/Ryanair/status/1301113389842747392?s=20

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53993399

Understandable to be honest.
Laganas is one of these places that are very popular with a certain type of holidayer - that involves drinking like there is no tomorrow. I haven't been there myself (I have been to Zante - or Zakynthos as we call it in Greek, but it is a fairly big island and if you go prepared you can void Laganas completely), but we have seen pictures in the past, with people passed out on the streets.

odyssey06 · 02-09-2020 12:35PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

2 weeks without even one death in ROI
The hysteria hasn't stopped though
Anxiety the big elephant in the room

What hysteria?
How about calling it out some of these hysterical posts?

Sweet.Science · 02-09-2020 12:37PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Given the state of death reporting, we cannot be sure of that, it hasn't been unsusual for deaths to show up weeks later.

Point proven . People have been brainwashed

bb1234567 · 02-09-2020 12:39PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

2 weeks without even one death in ROI

The hysteria hasn't stopped though

Anxiety the big elephant in the room

Seems pretty relaxed to me, when I meet my friends or family it's rare these days that COVID is mentioned much in conversation. Some apprehension about things like school openings or large daily case numbers is completely normal and to be expected

Jim_Hodge · 02-09-2020 12:40PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

2 weeks without even one death in ROI

The hysteria hasn't stopped though

Anxiety the big elephant in the room

You're right. No need for any hysteria, although I personally haven't encountered any. But let's keep doing what we're doing and maintain these low/nil death figures.

Gruffalux · 02-09-2020 12:46PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0902/1162678-coronavirus-global/

South Korea had 9 critically ill covid patients on August 18th. 2 weeks later the number is 124. Because it has migrated from the younger population and is now affecting people over 60 much more.
By the way, young uns, 60 is not even near old.

mandrake04 · 02-09-2020 12:59PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0902/1162678-coronavirus-global/

South Korea had 9 critically ill covid patients on August 18th. 2 weeks later the number is 124. Because it has migrated from the younger population and is now affecting people over 60 much more.
By the way, young uns, 60 is not even near old.

Younger people are a vector, plus there is a huge lag between infection, serious illness and deaths.

JP Liz V1 · 02-09-2020 01:02PM

News saying hospitals seeing increased admissions from Covid

hmmm · 02-09-2020 01:02PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Younger people are a vector, plus there is a huge lag between infection, serious illness and deaths.

Great chart. Reporting deaths is even worse in this country.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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