Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Arghus wrote: »

The overall looney quotient of the thread is rising by the day.

Ironically both a long-term side effect of having had Covid and also of injecting Dettol.

Deleted User wrote: »

I tell myself over and over that covid will run its course and it will all be over soon. To the point I believe it. It’s a coping mechanism for me.

But what do people feel the likely outcome will be? Some people say “the new normal” of masks and social distancing will be our way of life forever. Or at least for a long time. I’m hoping the virus will simply run its course and we can have our lives back. It’s optimistic but it’s what I’m hoping for. What do people think?

Within the next 6 months in this country it will get to a stage where the vulnerable/old will be isolated to almost prison levels of security so that their infection doesn't overwhelm the complete trash health system we have in this country. The rest of society will return to normality where a drive to cut obesity and bad habits like smoking will be enhanced.

fritzelly wrote: »

Unfortunately the majority of them are lifestyle choices that the sufferers are not inclined to change
I seriously cannot remember the likes of autism, ADHD, obesity, widespread asthma, mental health issues and so on really existing when I was younger - now every kid has some issue, every adult has some other issue...

Me neither, it's clearly from something man is doing, either in the field of vaccination, exposure to plastics or antibiotics given to animals. Third world countries have little or no cases of these issues.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I tell myself over and over that covid will run its course and it will all be over soon. To the point I believe it. It’s a coping mechanism for me.

But what do people feel the likely outcome will be? Some people say “the new normal” of masks and social distancing will be our way of life forever. Or at least for a long time. I’m hoping the virus will simply run its course and we can have our lives back. It’s optimistic but it’s what I’m hoping for. What do people think?

I don't think masks and all the rest will be around forever, but I think those things are certainly here to stay for the medium term.

I think it's impossible to make predictions to feel totally confident in.

It feels like we've been living with this for ages, but in reality it's been a relatively short time. And within that there's been shorter periods again where the situation and prevailing mood has been different to what's come before and after. We've had fear, relief, hope, uncertainty. We haven't really repeated a step yet; each portion of the journey has been unprecedented in its own way.

Right now we’re starting another new phase, with opening schools and trying to get back to some semblance of normality, but while there's still a fair chunk of cases been announced every day.

Nobody can say we know how it's going to turn out. And I mean that in both a positive and negative sense. Maybe life can continue as it currently is even if there's hundreds of cases being announced everyday? Maybe that isn't sustainable? We'll find out soon enough I think. It's all new territory.

And new seasons too. We've lived through Spring and Summer and lengthening days and relatively good weather. Now it's time for Autumn and Winter. Maybe that won't fundamentally change anything. Maybe we'll get off lightly and the flu season won't make everything infinitely more complex and challenging. Maybe it will and it'll be a shyteshow.

To be truthful, I have a feeling in my heart that things will get very messy, at least for a while, this Winter. People's patience is wearing thin and they don't want to hear about it anymore and that's understandable, but it unfortunately won't do us much good given the dynamics of the situation and the nature of how the virus spreads.

But my feelings aren't sure objective things. I accept there's loads I don't know and I realise the limits of my own foresight and knowledge. And everybody else's.

Every month is a lesson in humility and being confronted with my own naivete. I've gone through a few transitions mentally since February: sceptic, fear filled, lockdown believer(which I still believe was 100% the right cause of action at the time), sure maybe things might be grand, maybe things won't be grand - to acknowledgement that I haven't a clue about the future at this stage, but I hope to make sense of it all going forward as best I can by looking to sober and objective facts and not clinging to shyte that I want to believe.

I think people will become very restless, emotional and polarised over the next few months. I think we all could do with cooling the emotional jets, because stamina may be required.

fritzelly wrote: »

Unfortunately the majority of them are lifestyle choices that the sufferers are not inclined to change
I seriously cannot remember the likes of autism, ADHD, obesity, widespread asthma, mental health issues and so on really existing when I was younger - now every kid has some issue, every adult has some other issue...

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Me neither, it's clearly from something man is doing, either in the field of vaccination, exposure to plastics or antibiotics given to animals. Third world countries have little or no cases of these issues.

Ohhhh riiiiight, obviously it has nothing to do with improving technology or ability to diagnose. Autism and ADHD were there but if it was severe enough the people were just locked away from society, otherewise that person was known as different. We don't lock people away anymore and have a better ability to diagnose symptoms.

Asthma was there but there was a high mortality rate so esevere cases died out. Cystic Fibrosis was only formally discovered in the late 30s before that the children were thought to have died of malnutrition.

Medicine advances all the time and the idea tht lets say autism was caused by vaccines has been roundly debunked

Gael23 wrote: »

Lost for words at this one
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/nphet-member-hopeful-restrictions-around-gatherings-will-be-lifted-for-christmas-1015647.html

At least it's not another "important two weeks" declaration. As unpleasant as it is we need to hear a whole lot more of what they are thinking, longer term because the government doesn't look like filling us in on a plan any time soon.

Independent running an article - new restrictions loom after yesterday's case count. That statement followed up with no substance in the article.

Really do have to wonder about the level of journalism in this country.

Buried within the article then is this and its an absolute disgrace.

"BreastCheck, the national screening programme to detect breast cancer, may not return until October. The screening programme has been paused since March 16 due to the Covid-19 pandemic."

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent running an article - new restrictions loom after yesterday's case count. That statement followed up with no substance in the article.

They'll be cursing the day a vaccine comes around because there will be nothing to write about.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

"BreastCheck, the national screening programme to detect breast cancer, may not return until October. The screening programme has been paused since March 16 due to the Covid-19 pandemic."

This is a huge worry, are people sitting around with possible cancer and nothing can be done about it?

stephenjmcd wrote: »

"BreastCheck, the national screening programme to detect breast cancer, may not return until October. The screening programme has been paused since March 16 due to the Covid-19 pandemic."

Breast screening sadly isn't the magic bullet people think it is, there are studies that suggest it does more harm than good overall and the money spent on it should be redirected into treatment.

I imagine that is the reason it is not a primary concern during the pandemic.

Also they are treating people suspected of having breast cancer.

BreastCheck has continued to support the symptomatic breast services in its host hospitals, providing care, diagnostics, treatment and surgery for patients who have been referred to the symptomatic service

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus Christ. You know better than cancer prevention programmes all over the world.

No I don't, but what I have read is the peer reviewed medical scientific studies on over diagnosis, over treatment and over inflating of "survival" figures.

I offered an opinion on that basis as to why breast screening is not of a primary concern during this pandemic.

If you have an opposing opinion, then by all means give it.

Unless you think the HSE are just being cruel meanies?

PCros wrote: »

This is a huge worry, are people sitting around with possible cancer and nothing can be done about it?

If someone had symptoms then of course they would be seen.

Its early detection of those without symptoms that isn't taking place and as everyone knows with cancer early detection can be quite important

fritzelly wrote: »

Unfortunately the majority of them are lifestyle choices that the sufferers are not inclined to change
I seriously cannot remember the likes of autism, ADHD, obesity, widespread asthma, mental health issues and so on really existing when I was younger - now every kid has some issue, every adult has some other issue...

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Me neither, it's clearly from something man is doing, either in the field of vaccination, exposure to plastics or antibiotics given to animals. Third world countries have little or no cases of these issues.

khalessi wrote: »

Ohhhh riiiiight, obviously it has nothing to do with improving technology or ability to diagnose. Autism and ADHD were there but if it was severe enough the people were just locked away from society, otherewise that person was known as different. We don't lock people away anymore and have a better ability to diagnose symptoms.

Asthma was there but there was a high mortality rate so esevere cases died out. Cystic Fibrosis was only formally discovered in the late 30s before that the children were thought to have died of malnutrition.

Medicine advances all the time and the idea tht lets say autism was caused by vaccines has been roundly debunked

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Autism has always been around, when "we" or whatever age ye are were young these folk were either hidden away or thrown in an instituition. Many of the geniuses of history whether artist or scientist were probably on the spectrum and/or had mental health issues too(Van Gogh). Its more noticeable now because the stigma has been slowly eroded and many new disorders are been discovered..

A look at the Census website with show how people with autism, attention disorders and mental health issues were treated.

There has always been obese people.

I knew people with asthma when I was a kid. I know of two families where the father has it and the sns have it, but not the daughters.