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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #4472
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Feel free to find any post of mine which states the virus is not serious. In February I was as ignorant as the majority here as to how serious it is but it also fact it is not as lethal as being betrayed. There are other illnesses which are far more lethal. I was at the funeral of a friend who's cancer treatment was paused due to Covid. Would ongoing treatment have saved him, I don't know but what I do know is it would have given him a chance.
    As an aside I asked you yesterday what was the case figures like where you are living? Would you like to answer it now?

    I've no idea why you want to know but Sure I don't spend 24/7 on boards so I don't read every post. The province I live in had less than 200 cases total, it has been covid free since April, it has a population of approximately 40 million. So I guess you can understand the fear I have for all my family and friends living in Ireland when there are 200 cases a day.

    Also I'm sorry to hear about your friend, I wish we had a better healthcare system that could deal with this epidemic and also other serious illnesses at the same time


  • #4473
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Jesus lads what's all the sniping about ? you are in Ireland , you're dealing with it well ...

    Imagine if you lived in the 3rd world sh1thole Spain, where it's absolute carnage here and will progressively get worse and worse.

    People will be dying on the streets here in a few months time.


    KIP

    absolute carnage there you mean?

    People will be dying in the streets there in a few months

    your post is a bit confusing, sorry


  • #4474
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Deleted User wrote: »
    absolute carnage there you mean?

    People will be dying in the streets there in a few months

    your post is a bit confusing, sorry

    he could live in spain?


  • #4475
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    We all know you can't swing a cat in most school rooms. The definition of close contact and pods gives a lot of room to not test people that would be tested in any other environment. The pods are on top of each other our one's school. I wouldn't feel reassured "that there is no need to test".
    A close contact is a close contact. If they would be classed as a close contact in an office, they will be classed as a close contact in a school.

    The criteria for a close contact is not different in a school. People are getting all het up about the statement that classmates aren't automatically considered to be close contacts. This is not something special for schools. It's the same for offices and factories. Colleagues are not automatically considered to be close contacts. Neither are classmates.

    Contact tracing is a specific process that involves gathering data and making risk assessments. It's not just about finding who was near a case at one stage and testing them.

    Of course it seems like a no-brainer that all kids in the class would be tested, but the contact tracing process needs to be followed regardless - to ensure that nobody is missed. If the policy becomes, "don't contact trace, just test the whole class", then you risk missing close contacts.


  • #4476
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    seamus wrote: »
    Your quote doesn't back up your claim. You said it was "HSE policy not to inform".

    That's incorrect, close contacts are informed

    You also said it's "HSE policy not to ... test or trace". Which is also incorrect. The policy is the exact opposite. Close contacts will be traced and offered a test.

    The class will not be deemed a close contact. What part of that is confusing, that is based on the "fact" that there is no such thing as "airborne transmission".

    As far as I am aware, the child in question had all ready been tested.

    Now it would be nice to know going forward will the children in the "pod" be tested.

    But we don't know that either. Humans under the age of 19 can't really transmit the virus to other humans, so testing would be a waste of money based on that "science".

    Fear and speculation will fill the vacuum of official information, not the other way round as you claim.

    I can guarantee you there has been kids from other classrooms pulled from the school based on this absolute folly of secrecy.


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  • #4477
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    Deleted User wrote: »
    absolute carnage there you mean?

    People will be dying in the streets there in a few months

    your post is a bit confusing, sorry

    It's very easy to get confused on this thread.



  • #4478
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Deleted User wrote: »
    absolute carnage there you mean?

    People will be dying in the streets there in a few months

    your post is a bit confusing, sorry

    He's from Spain


  • #4479
    JackPerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭JackPerry


    Can anyone clarify what is meant by the following HSE Covid announcement which can be heard regularly on the radio. "...download the app and be more than one in a million..." Not sure what they are trying to say.


  • #4480
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Boggles wrote: »
    The class will not be deemed a close contact.
    "Automatically". You've missed that word.
    Now it would be nice to know going forward will the children in the "pod" be tested.
    If the contact tracing team assess them as being close contacts, yes. The outcome of that is nobody's business but the kids in the pod.
    Fear and speculation will fill the vacuum of official information, not the other way round as you claim.
    Fear and speculation will always fill the vacuum for those who revel in it. If people were told the numbers, next they'll want to know the names, "for transparency, so I know if my child is at risk".
    I can guarantee you there has been kids from other classrooms pulled from the school based on this absolute folly of secrecy.
    Secrecy and privacy are different things. Secrecy is the withholding of information from people who are entitled to know it. Privacy is the protection of information from people who are not entitled to know it.


  • #4481
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    seamus wrote: »
    "Automatically". You've missed that word.
    If the contact tracing team assess them as being close contacts, yes. The outcome of that is nobody's business but the kids in the pod.

    Fear and speculation will always fill the vacuum for those who revel in it. If people were told the numbers, next they'll want to know the names, "for transparency, so I know if my child is at risk".

    Secrecy and privacy are different things. Secrecy is the withholding of information from people who are entitled to know it. Privacy is the protection of information from people who are not entitled to know it.

    The child was sent to school awaiting on a test result apparently.

    His privacy or his parents recklessness does not trump the health of others.

    Another class sent home from a National School in Lucan apparently after a positive test.


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  • #4482
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Multipass wrote: »
    Probably from people attending as emergencies whose medical care has been paused due to covid, and that’s only going to get worse. This is going to be the real killer from all of this.

    So what do we do now? We have to deal with these medical care emergencies, flu and covid at the same time. The whole situation has been sh!t.

    Can we not all wear masks and prevent covid and flu?


  • #4483
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Sorry we are following ECDC guidelines which Germany seem to be too. There are major issues with transparency there at the moment.
    We are being given the run around. It is being suppressed in the German and international media. People are having to collate local media.
    There are already 759 schools / daycare affected there. It is right to be concerned.


    Translation:
    Already 759 schools / daycare centers #Corona .

    How can it be in #Deutschland none from
    @rki_de
    is there a list of all affected institutions?
    That you have to laboriously gather information from the local press instead? #BildungAberSicher

    https://twitter.com/cthulhcc/status/1300515146012426240?s=20


  • #4484
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Actually, can we get the flu shot free this year?


  • #4485
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Boggles wrote: »
    The child was sent to school awaiting on a test result apparently.

    His privacy or his parents recklessness does not trump the health of others.

    Another class sent home from a National School in Lucan apparently after a positive test.

    Apparently in WhatsApp?


  • #4486
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Boggles wrote: »
    His privacy or his parents recklessness does not trump the health of others.
    I'm glad we finally got to the nub of the issue here. And that is that you're happy for privacy laws to be placed aside in the interests of public health.

    Ruminating on the consequences of that, is an exercise I'll leave to you to do in your own time.


  • #4487
    mollser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭mollser


    Boggles wrote: »
    The child was sent to school awaiting on a test result apparently.

    His privacy or his parents recklessness does not trump the health of others.

    Another class sent home from a National School in Lucan apparently after a positive test

    For balance, could we list all the classes that haven't been sent home yet? Also in Germany.

    Thanks


  • #4488
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Second school
    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Another primary school in Dublin

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/coronavirus-ireland-dublin-schools-latest-18864552


  • #4489
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Apparently in WhatsApp?

    Coronavirus Ireland: Second Dublin school to send class home over positive Covid-19 case named as email sent to parents of Lucan Community National
    seamus wrote: »
    And that is that you're happy for privacy laws to be placed aside in the interests of public health.

    No.

    You have jumped the fence.

    No one is asking for PPS numbers or names and addresses.

    Clear information on the specific instances of the virus in an organisation that people avail of is the absolute minimum is to be expected.

    Who knows, maybe that will be forthcoming from NPHET, but like I said they have punted a hail mary on schools, they wouldn't be one for admitting they were wrong, as evidenced from past mistakes.

    But like they keep saying, we are all responsible for our personal choices, if we don't have clear information we can't make those personal choices.


  • #4490
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    mollser wrote: »
    For balance, could we list all the classes that haven't been sent home yet? Also in Germany.

    Thanks

    Take me out of your post please, it's not related to me.


  • #4491
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Jesus lads what's all the sniping about ? you are in Ireland , you're dealing with it well ...

    Imagine if you lived in the 3rd world sh1thole Spain, where it's absolute carnage here and will progressively get worse and worse.

    People will be dying on the streets here in a few months time.


    KIP

    Seriously, give it a fucking rest. We get it. You don't like Spain.

    Why anyone would stay in a country that they believe to be a such a shithole is beyond me.


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  • #4492
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Second school

    Why can't schools give classes online?


  • #4493
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Boggles wrote: »
    Coronavirus Ireland: Second Dublin school to send class home over positive Covid-19 case named as email sent to parents of Lucan Community National

    Given the time frame, it was also brought into the school. It's a bit drama queen-y that site all the same given what's on that page.


  • #4494
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    I've no idea why you want to know but Sure I don't spend 24/7 on boards so I don't read every post. The province I live in had less than 200 cases total, it has been covid free since April, it has a population of approximately 40 million. So I guess you can understand the fear I have for all my family and friends living in Ireland when there are 200 cases a day.

    Also I'm sorry to hear about your friend, I wish we had a better healthcare system that could deal with this epidemic and also other serious illnesses at the same time

    I asked you a question about the case rate in the country you reside in you refuse to answer that's fine.
    As for 200 a day in Ireland not true.


  • #4495
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I asked you a question about the case rate in the country you reside in you refuse to answer that's fine.
    As for 200 a day in Ireland not true.

    I've no idea why you want to know but if you can't google 'China covid' then I doubt you've anything interesting to say.


  • #4496
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Why can't schools give classes online?

    Do you think every child in the country has access to reliable Broadband. There is also that important matter of socialisation and children's mental health. Not forgetting the necessity of parents getting back to work.


  • #4497
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Deleted User wrote: »
    absolute carnage there you mean?

    People will be dying in the streets there in a few months

    your post is a bit confusing, sorry

    Sorry I'm in Spain.


  • #4498
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Given the time frame, it was also brought into the school.

    Sure.

    I don't see how that negates the fact that another pupil has tested positive and his class has been sent home. Which is the information I posted.

    As for the source, hardly the bastions of journalist integrity, but hardly a whatsapp group either like you questioned.

    Maybe the parents are being told to send the children in even if they are awaiting a test. God knows. The guidance is as a clear as mud.

    They can go in with symptoms, maybe the children didn't have any.


  • #4499
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    So two schools in Dublin already.
    How are contact tracing and testing going to handle this when they couldn’t handle the meat factories. Testing times got pushed way out.
    Parents told if you don’t receive a letter kids should attend. How the hell does that work. Post takes a fair bit so people will have to go door to door. Seems crazy


  • #4500
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Do people not realise these school cases were not caught in school? Like it doesn’t matter if its in a school or not


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  • #4501
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    I've no idea why you want to know but if you can't google 'China covid' then I doubt you've anything interesting to say.

    Boring prehaps? Not I making the claim that Ireland has 200 cases a day. Blatant lie tbh.


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