Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Lyle · 01-09-2020 03:31PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Children don’t get it and don’t spread it is what I’ve been hearing since about May. Varadkar himself said it several times.

What about the 855 cases in the child bracket of 0 - 14 years old? You'd wanna maybe read some more current stuff, May is a long time ago in terms of levels of understanding of the virus.

Always_Running · 01-09-2020 03:32PM

eigrod wrote: »

90 positive swabs from 4,892 tests in last 24 hours.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

So 299 positives tests the last 3 days

Cases reported last 3 days 309 (if 214 is confirmed) . So looks like we have 10 back log cases from Saturday.

is_that_so · 01-09-2020 03:36PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

yeah, it seems they're completely ignoring a primary route for transmission - airborne

The scientific contention/consensus is that kids are a very low vector risk in COVID and droplets from sick people are the primary route. They've covered that in sick kids staying home but there will still be cases anyway.

Non solum non ambulabit · 01-09-2020 03:36PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

The cases still exist.

Don't let that get in the way of your agenda.

They do but if i told you we had 100 cases a day for the last 3 days, which is what we had, you wouldn't be on here spouting fear.

seamusk84 · 01-09-2020 03:37PM

Jeeze they better not lock us Kildare folk down again...It's only been 24 hours and I haven't got to go for my substantial meal and pint indoors yet!

stephenjmcd · 01-09-2020 03:38PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

That's one of the highest rates in a long time. I'd be shocked if there was anyone thinking this won't spiral out of control soon

Jesus you are insufferable, how's your formula looking for 500 cases a day.

You've been saying the same stuff for weeks, its boring at this stage.

Cases today are going to be high as these cases should have been over the last few days. Still averages around 100 for all 3 days which is steady and not a rise

is_that_so · 01-09-2020 03:38PM

Lyle wrote: »

What about the 855 cases in the child bracket of 0 - 14 years old? You'd wanna maybe read some more current stuff, May is a long time ago in terms of levels of understanding of the virus.

It's 3% of cases.

Lyle · 01-09-2020 03:40PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's 3% of cases.

Yeah, which means children get it. If children didn't get it, like yer man said, they'd be 0% of cases.

Non solum non ambulabit · 01-09-2020 03:41PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Children don’t get it and don’t spread it is what I’ve been hearing since about May. Varadkar himself said it several times.

Schools are so low risk that the guidelines around distancing etc are not required in schools.

Nolan offered “great assurance” that kids would not contract COVID in schools.

Grow up indeed. Do adults say that?

I think you need to go back and actually read what people have said because nobody ever said kids don't contract or spread Covid in schools or anywhere.

Keep your lies out of this thread. Thanks

Non solum non ambulabit · 01-09-2020 03:44PM

ShyMets wrote: »

Your WUMMING is become a little tiresome now

Totally. Oranage2 needs a new shtick.

caveat emptor · 01-09-2020 03:47PM

Very few kids got while schools were closed and very few were tested. We don't know how many will get it with them open. Scotland opened them before us and their testing of that cohort has gone through the roof. We'll find out soon enough. If we don't test close contacts or report on subsequent transmission events then we can keep saying "Kids don't transmit the virus in a school setting."

https://twitter.com/TravellingTabby/status/1300788839565455362?s=20

is_that_so · 01-09-2020 03:47PM

Lyle wrote: »

Yeah, which means children get it. If children didn't get it, like yer man said, they'd be 0% of cases.

Nobody said there was zero risk but they are a very low risk and symptoms are extremely mild or non-existent.

ChikiChiki · 01-09-2020 03:48PM

So feckin mad. Know someone in from a red zone not too long ago (like two hours ago) and they are gone out for lunch as if it is nothing.

Drives me nuts. Why did I sit in for 2 weeks quarantining with a relative who came home from Oz when this **** is going on.:mad:

celt262 · 01-09-2020 03:48PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

So feckin mad. Know someone in from a red zone not too long ago (like two hours ago) and they are gone out for lunch as if it is nothing.

Drives me nuts. Why did I sit in for 2 weeks quarantining with a relative who came home from Oz when this **** is going on.:mad:

Ring the guards

is_that_so · 01-09-2020 03:49PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Very few kids got while schools were closed and very few were tested. We don't know how many will get it with them open. Scotland opened them before us and their testing of that cohort has gone through the roof. We'll find out soon enough. If we don't test close contacts or report on subsequent transmission events then we can keep saying "Kids don't transmit the virus in a school setting."

https://twitter.com/TravellingTabby/status/1300788839565455362?s=20

There will be cases and nobody ever claimed there wouldn't be. What Scotland is doing is not what we are or will be doing.

Non solum non ambulabit · 01-09-2020 03:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nobody said there was zero risk but they are a very low risk and symptoms are extremely mild or non-existent.

It was a response to a poster that claimed Varadakar and Nolan said kids couldn't get or spread covid

stephenjmcd · 01-09-2020 03:52PM

celt262 wrote: »

Ring the guards

And what are they going to do ?

Lyle · 01-09-2020 03:53PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nobody said there was zero risk

One person did, the person I responded to.

PowerToWait wrote: »

Children don’t get it

You'd want to be living under a rock or willfully ignorant to be talking sh*t like that this deep into the epidemic.

podgeandrodge · 01-09-2020 03:56PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Kildare 'restrictions' were lifted yesterday, and now there are already calls for another lockdown? That's one of the more ridiculous things I've read for a while, definitely not going to happen.

Unless deaths start to re-appear in significant numbers, population in general will very shortly (and probably has already) get sick and tired of restrictions, and want to 'live' with the virus.

At the moment we just seem to be ticking along in a quasi permanent 'lockdown'. I think a lot of people at this stage would rather open up and temporarily close down whatever is necessary on cluster basis - at least logic could be seen.

WHO telling everyone to avoid "packed nightclubs" and "crowded stadiums". Ireland not allowing 50 people to social distance in a pub.

Plumbthedepths · 01-09-2020 03:57PM

celt262 wrote: »

Ring the guards

What do you think AGS can do? Genuinely interested to know.

Boggles · 01-09-2020 03:58PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The scientific contention/consensus is that kids are a very low vector risk in COVID and droplets from sick people are the primary route. They've covered that in sick kids staying home but there will still be cases anyway.

There is no scientific consensus on schools and in particular the make up of Irish schools and how this virus will react and spread in them.

Anyone suggesting otherwise is absolutely spoofing, as is Nolan.

The "Kids are more likely to get at home" line that is being thrown out the past 2 weeks is complete and utter bollíx.

Of course kids are more likely to get it at home, they live at home and have been there for the best part of 6 months, now they are back in school.

NPHET signed off on a document to get 1.1 million humans back indoors which clearly states there is no such thing as airborne transmission - if anything this may turn out to be the primary route of transmission in a poor ventilated crowed classroom.

I repeat no one knows how this virus will perform in Irish schools, we have started the experiment, we should know by November.

Now we can pretend humans under the age of 19 are biologically different to other humans and we can pretend airborne transmission doesn't happen and we can also try and suppress information from school outbreaks, but if they do become significant re-seeders of the virus in the community we will know soon enough.

But according Nolan.

170 pounds, 6 foot , 17 year old boy, very very unlikely to transmit the virus to other humans.

His 100 pound 5 foot 2 teacher on the other hand though......

It really is loony tunes "science".

caveat emptor · 01-09-2020 03:58PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Very few kids got while schools were closed and very few were tested. We don't know how many will get it with them open. Scotland opened them before us and their testing of that cohort has gone through the roof. We'll find out soon enough. If we don't test close contacts or report on subsequent transmission events then we can keep saying "Kids don't transmit the virus in a school setting."

https://twitter.com/TravellingTabby/status/1300788839565455362?s=20

is_that_so wrote: »

There will be cases and nobody ever claimed there wouldn't be. What Scotland is doing is not what we are or will be doing.

While the absolute numbers of 0-19 year olds testing positive is increasing their the positive percentage of testing is decreasing.

https://twitter.com/TravellingTabby/status/1300789170034667520?s=20

niallo27 · 01-09-2020 03:58PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Unless deaths start to re-appear in significant numbers, population in general will very shortly (and probably has already) get sick and tired of restrictions, and want to 'live' with the virus.

At the moment we just seem to be ticking along in a quasi permanent 'lockdown'. I think a lot of people at this stage would rather open up and temporarily close down whatever is necessary on cluster basis - at least logic could be seen.

WHO telling everyone to avoid "packed nightclubs" and "crowded stadiums". Ireland not allowing 50 people to social distance in a pub.

Ireland is not allowing people 50 people to stand in a field watch a match never mind a pub.

celt262 · 01-09-2020 03:59PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And what are they going to do ?

Call around and have a chat.

stephenjmcd · 01-09-2020 04:00PM

celt262 wrote: »

Call around and have a chat.

I see, so nothing

JP Liz V1 · 01-09-2020 04:15PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Things seem to be getting a bit out of control in Spain last few days , ICU patients approaching 1000 now growing by almost 100 in the last 48 hours

Apparently a serial Spanish spreader in Gran Canaria, cases high for popular tourist destination

JDD · 01-09-2020 04:19PM

I think that "call the guards" comment was tongue in cheek?

I see that schools in Scotland have been open for four weeks. There was one cluster in a special needs school in Dundee. Then the testing system was overwhelmed with requests for tests from parents of children that were displaying covid symptoms. There was real concern that there was a widespread outbreak in schools.

However in the third week of August, out of approx 17,500 test of under-17s, only 49 tests came back positive. An increase of 2 from the previous week.

So the experience in Scotland should be similar to here? They've opened five days a week, with similar class sizes, and masks being worn by secondary students.

GooglePlus · 01-09-2020 04:21PM

There's probably a reasonable explanation but the tin foil hat wearer that resides in me can't help but think it's a bit mad that we see such low case numbers two days in a row, just as the government decide to ease the Kildare lockdowns.

It's very convenient that the backlog affected low figures made it out in everyone's minds that the job was done, we've almost halved the numbers in a flash and the Kildare lockdown (outdoor eating period) was clearly justified.

If they had lifted the restrictions off the back of the true high case numbers, the optics wouldn't be great.

JP Liz V1 · 01-09-2020 04:21PM

49 new cases in NI

is_that_so · 01-09-2020 04:26PM

Boggles wrote: »

There is no scientific consensus on schools and in particular the make up of Irish schools and how this virus will react and spread in them.

Anyone suggesting otherwise is absolutely spoofing, as is Nolan.

The "Kids are more likely to get at home" line that is being thrown out the past 2 weeks is complete and utter bollíx.

Of course kids are more likely to get it at home, they live at home and have been there for the best part of 6 months, now they are back in school.

NPHET signed off on a document to get 1.1 million humans back indoors which clearly states there is no such thing as airborne transmission - if anything this may turn out to be the primary route of transmission in a poor ventilated crowed classroom.

I repeat no one knows how this virus will perform in Irish schools, we have started the experiment, we should know by November.

Now we can pretend humans under the age of 19 are biologically different to other humans and we can pretend airborne transmission doesn't happen and we can also try and suppress information from school outbreaks, but if they do become significant re-seeders of the virus in the community we will know soon enough.

But according Nolan.

170 pounds, 6 foot , 17 year old boy, very very unlikely to transmit the virus to other humans.

His 100 pound 5 foot 2 teacher on the other hand though......

It really is loony tunes "science".

Here's a HIQA report that probably informed the decision. TBH there's not a lot of research according to them but what there is doesn't suggest a high risk scenario.

https://www.hiqa.ie/reports-and-publications/health-technology-assessment/evidence-summary-spread-covid-19-children

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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