Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

JDD · 01-09-2020 02:37PM

hmmm wrote: »

Mmmmm the papers I've seen haven't backed this up unfortunately. There's an infection curve and it peaks just before and after symptoms show. Kids could be different however, you never know.

What's the infection curve if no symptoms show up at all? I presume similar to a symptomatic case i.e. 5-7 days after you are infected you are at your most contagious. I'd like to see if there are any comparisons done between how many people an asymptomatic person has infected as compared to a person who ultimately developed symptoms. I expect - though again I am happy to be corrected - that an asymptomatic person is less contagious as there is simply less virus in their body?

drunkmonkey · 01-09-2020 02:37PM

ixoy wrote: »

Why is it terrifying given there's a backlog of cases and Tuesday, as ever, features amongst the highest numbers?

We all know it's not, ordinary little old lady living in fear won't though or most people. The headline won't say it's due to a backlog. It's either incompetence or deliberately done to justify new measures or keep the fear going.

wadacrack · 01-09-2020 02:38PM

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1300777854603591680

spookwoman · 01-09-2020 02:39PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

The whole class won't necessarily be tested

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1300771199610433540?s=20

Testing capacity issue again?

antodeco · 01-09-2020 02:39PM

The reason about stating masks around the chin is actually quite simple. If you've come into contact with someone, the virus could be on your neck. You slip your mask down, the inside of your mask is now infected. You put your mask on, you're now infected. Same reasons why you wash your hands before and after handling a mask.

TonyMaloney · 01-09-2020 02:42PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Testing capacity issue again?

I think it's more in anticipation of one

The Oort Cloud · 01-09-2020 02:47PM

antodeco wrote: »

The reason about stating masks around the chin is actually quite simple. If you've come into contact with someone, the virus could be on your neck. You slip your mask down, the inside of your mask is now infected. You put your mask on, you're now infected. Same reasons why you wash your hands before and after handling a mask.

The mask when on the face folds down to your chin, it doesn't move any lower down when you move/fold it down from the mouth, that's why there are folds in proper face masks. It wont move lower down to your neck.

Hurrache · 01-09-2020 02:48PM

It will lower to wherever people want to lower it to, plenty have it pulled down around their necks, and plenty indoors have it below their nose, idiots.

Gerry Hatrick · 01-09-2020 02:49PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

The figure relates to 3 days of testing not just yesterday but don't let the facts get in the way of your fear agenda.

The cases still exist.

Don't let that get in the way of your agenda.

timsey tiger · 01-09-2020 02:49PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I think it's more in anticipation of one

A self fulfilling prophecy.

Akabusi · 01-09-2020 02:52PM

Groundhog day in here again today

JDD · 01-09-2020 02:56PM

i thought the point of masks was not to protect yourself from catching covid, but to protect others from catching it from you?

So moving it up and down your face doesn't particularly increase your chances of catching the virus, as if you hadn't worn a mask at all you would have just breathed in the aerosol particles that ended up on your mask, and therefore been infected anyway.

The main point of wearing the mask is to prevent the majority of aerosol particles breathed out by you to end up circulating in the air.

I mean, if you're wearing an N95 mask to protect yourself then by all means be very careful when moving it on your face and taking it off - the price of them alone should be motivating you to do that.

But if it's a bog standard disposable/cloth mask then it's only marginally going to protect you from breathing in aerosol particles - so any increase in risk of being infected by moving it up and down is negligible.

bb1234567 · 01-09-2020 03:03PM

Things seem to be getting a bit out of control in Spain last few days , ICU patients approaching 1000 now growing by almost 100 in the last 48 hours

wadacrack · 01-09-2020 03:06PM

JDD wrote: »

i thought the point of masks was not to protect yourself from catching covid, but to protect others from catching it from you?

So moving it up and down your face doesn't particularly increase your chances of catching the virus, as if you hadn't worn a mask at all you would have just breathed in the aerosol particles that ended up on your mask, and therefore been infected anyway.

The main point of wearing the mask is to prevent the majority of aerosol particles breathed out by you to end up circulating in the air.

I mean, if you're wearing an N95 mask to protect yourself then by all means be very careful when moving it on your face and taking it off - the price of them alone should be motivating you to do that.

But if it's a bog standard disposable/cloth mask then it's only marginally going to protect you from breathing in aerosol particles - so any increase in risk of being infected by moving it up and down is negligible.

Another myth. The virus is airborne so masks provide some degree of protection also. Mask wearing and ventilation along with distance would help alot especially indoors with large amount of people congregated

ElTel · 01-09-2020 03:08PM

hmmm wrote: »

Mmmmm the papers I've seen haven't backed this up unfortunately. There's an infection curve and it peaks just before and after symptoms show. Kids could be different however, you never know.

Do you think a graph of the cycle threshold number distribution associated with the positive results for the past two weeks (say) would be useful/informative?

Results with a Ct number of 5-10 would suggest someone around peak viral load.
Ct in the mid 30s and we don't know if they're on the upside or downside of infection curve?

Would breaking the data into symptomatic or asymptomatic only reveal anything?

Happydays2020 · 01-09-2020 03:13PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1300777854603591680

Like they have on planes www.sciencefocus.com/science/how-stale-is-the-recycled-air-in-a-plane/amp/

Would be interesting to see data for a bus with windows or a packed metro.

PowerToWait · 01-09-2020 03:17PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

What planet are you on? That was not said by anyone ever. Grow up.

Children don’t get it and don’t spread it is what I’ve been hearing since about May. Varadkar himself said it several times.

Schools are so low risk that the guidelines around distancing etc are not required in schools.

Nolan offered “great assurance” that kids would not contract COVID in schools.

Grow up indeed. Do adults say that?

eigrod · 01-09-2020 03:20PM

90 positive swabs from 4,892 tests in last 24 hours.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

El Weirdo · 01-09-2020 03:22PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Children don’t get it and don’t spread it is what I’ve been hearing since about May. Varadkar himself said it several times.

He literally said to expect outbreaks in schools.

froog · 01-09-2020 03:25PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Children don’t get it and don’t spread it is what I’ve been hearing since about May. Varadkar himself said it several times.

When did he or anyone else say that?

is_that_so · 01-09-2020 03:27PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Testing capacity issue again?

Not necessarily, just maybe not a need to test a full class. Nolan argued last week that kids tend to spend a lot of their time as part of even smaller groups so less likely to be close contacts with the whole class.

Oranage2 · 01-09-2020 03:27PM

eigrod wrote: »

90 positive swabs from 4,892 tests in last 24 hours.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

That's one of the highest rates in a long time. I'd be shocked if there was anyone thinking this won't spiral out of control soon

Speak Now · 01-09-2020 03:28PM

US2 wrote: »

Hahahaha the mask slips

It wasn't fitted properly in the first place

fritzelly · 01-09-2020 03:28PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

That's one of the highest rates in a long time. I'd be shocked if there was anyone thinking this won't spiral out of control soon

Colour me shocked

ShyMets · 01-09-2020 03:29PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

That's one of the highest rates in a long time. I'd be shocked if there was anyone thinking this won't spiral out of control soon

Your WUMMING is become a little tiresome now

Santy2015 · 01-09-2020 03:29PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

That's one of the highest rates in a long time. I'd be shocked if there was anyone thinking this won't spiral out of control soon

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Plumbthedepths · 01-09-2020 03:30PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Yeah, it's the highest number for months, I'd be shocked if there's anyone out there NOT panicked by that enormous figure, we're on an unstoppable trajectory to losing control of this killer virus and people are now passing off as a less serious paper cut or something. Crazy crazy attitudes

I'm not panicked at all, genuinely I can't understand what purpose being panicked would serve.
By your own admission you don't reside in Ireland, so what are the daily case figures like where you live?

is_that_so · 01-09-2020 03:30PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

That's one of the highest rates in a long time. I'd be shocked if there was anyone thinking this won't spiral out of control soon

It's under 2% so no it's not.

TonyMaloney · 01-09-2020 03:31PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not necessarily, just maybe not a need to test a full class. Nolan argued last week that kids tend to spend a lot of their time as part of even smaller groups so less likely to be close contacts with the whole class.

yeah, it seems they're completely ignoring a primary route for transmission - airborne

ACitizenErased · 01-09-2020 03:31PM

eigrod wrote: »

90 positive swabs from 4,892 tests in last 24 hours.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

So we have at least 120 swabs not from today in today’s number.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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