Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

thebaz · 01-09-2020 01:51PM

I find this extremly worrying :-

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53981010

Mass testing by CCP to possibly get citizens informantion according to Hong Kong unions and dissendents

and Why did Covid only hit one city in China , 8 months later this still remains a mystery to me.

ixoy · 01-09-2020 01:51PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

And 135 in Dublin and Kildare? They need to put restrictions back onto Kildare and Dublin.

You realise the population size of Dublin? It's a small amount relative to the population and the rise, going by our acting CMO, is seen as small. You don't lock down a million people for those numbers.

Polar101 · 01-09-2020 01:54PM

Kildare 'restrictions' were lifted yesterday, and now there are already calls for another lockdown? That's one of the more ridiculous things I've read for a while, definitely not going to happen.

caveat emptor · 01-09-2020 01:54PM

seamus wrote: »

What purpose would that serve? The parents of the 30 kids will be offered a test and will have to isolate for 14 days either way.

We could then dispense with the theory that kids can't catch it in school and act accordingly. By not telling people if there was subsequent chained infection it's keeping people in the dark as to what the actual risk is. There'd be a big difference if zero kids got infected by being in contact with the patient zero in the class vs 27 kids getting it.

It seems that the policy is to identify a case, close the class then you are on your own.

Oranage2 · 01-09-2020 02:01PM

the merchant wrote: »

214 cases no deaths
135 in Dublin Kildare

Holy mother of goodness, that's a terrifying number, of course people will say they were right about the schools because it was obvious it was a mess, even the dogs on the street knew there was no plan or sense behind how they opened them.

I love how they were congratulating themselves on the Kildare lockdown, now look their numbers are as high as ever. and it's sickening that processing plants are being reported as 'work place' incidents, them being allowed to run like they are is huge risk to national health, someone should be charged, instead the media diverts our focus towards the Skerries girls and the Killarney street party.

ixoy · 01-09-2020 02:04PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Holy mother of goodness, that's a terrifying number,

Why is it terrifying given there's a backlog of cases and Tuesday, as ever, features amongst the highest numbers?

Always_Running · 01-09-2020 02:05PM

the merchant wrote: »

214 cases no deaths
135 in Dublin Kildare

If true it will be highest daily number reported since May 14th when we had 426 cases reported. As already said roughly 110 of those 214 cases would be from Sunday and yesterday.

A high reported number will obviously shoot the averages up.

Five day average 115.8 (yesterday 91.4)
Seven day average 119. 4 (102 yesterday)

Will be good news to go 10 days in a row without a reported death.

JDD · 01-09-2020 02:06PM

We can't really make any judgement on anything until we find out how many other children in that class were infected. Not many, I would expect, given the particular class only started yesterday - so unless covid is like measles there'll likely only be 1 or 2 infected children, or maybe none.

I am no scientist, but I think there is some evidence that individuals who are asymptomatic are not as infectious as those who are merely pre-symptomatic and go on to develop symptoms. Seems logical - the more the viral load, the more infectious you are. And if you have a large viral load, you are more likely to develop symptoms. Since this kid was/is asymptomatic, it's even less likely that they infected someone else. Happy to be corrected on this though.

This isn't really the test case to look for as the child was only in school for one day before getting their test results. It'll be the cases that turn up next week or the week after that will really show how the school system is working. In those cases the child will have been in school for the entire time they were infectious, and there will certainly be children who develop symptoms.

MerlinSouthDub · 01-09-2020 02:07PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Holy mother of goodness, that's a terrifying number, of course people will say they were right about the schools because it was obvious it was a mess, even the dogs on the street knew there was no plan or sense behind how they opened them.

I love how they were congratulating themselves on the Kildare lockdown, now look their numbers are as high as ever. and it's sickening that processing plants are being reported as 'work place' incidents, them being allowed to run like they are is huge risk to national health, someone should be charged, instead the media diverts our focus towards the Skerries girls and the Killarney street party.

It's an average of 110 or so a day over the last 3 days. Very stable. How is your model working at the moment? You had predicted 300 cases a day 3 weeks ago

Gerry Hatrick · 01-09-2020 02:09PM

thebaz wrote: »

I find this extremly worrying :-

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53981010

Mass testing by CCP to possibly get citizens informantion according to Hong Kong unions and dissendents

and Why did Covid only hit one city in China , 8 months later this still remains a mystery to me.

Honestly i would say we don't know the half of it. May well never know.

Deeper Blue · 01-09-2020 02:13PM

14 reported covid deaths in August

Obviously one death is too many but considering we went 40 days in a row with at least 13 deaths at one stage I don't think that's too bad.

Boggles · 01-09-2020 02:14PM

seamus wrote: »

What purpose would that serve? The parents of the 30 kids will be offered a test and will have to isolate for 14 days either way.

You think "outbreaks" in schools should be kept secret?

Apparently that is the policy, we only know about this one because the principal went public, it may not be the first.

I'd have a major issue with anything less than complete transparency as to how much a role schools play in transmission of this virus, if they go down that route, speculation and fear will fill the vacuum.

It's pretty fúcked up that we apply the gold standard of test and trace to meat factories but when it comes to schools, sure send the siblings in, don't test, be grand.

thebaz · 01-09-2020 02:17PM

Always_Running wrote: »

Will be good news to go 10 days in a row without a reported death.

Surely this is what should be announced and reported and report how many cases are hospitised and in ICU , rather than how many cases ther are, when many will be assymptomatic and not sick - it practically impossible to get to zero cases now.
I like many fully bought into the idea of full lockdown to flatten the curve , this happened , but thankfully now we are not seeing many deaths or ICU being overloaded, but yet the Authorities and media are still terrifying the country.

billybonkers · 01-09-2020 02:17PM

Why don't the schools let parents know about cases?

So they just let kids go to school knowing that there are or have been positive cases?

JDD · 01-09-2020 02:21PM

they have to let the parents know about the first case in the class, because either the "pod" (table) or "bubble" (class) will have to be sent home. They're under no obligation to tell you how many more children in that class have tested positive, because your child will already have been sent home to await a test and/or isolate for 14 days.

if they test the whole class, those with a negative test will be able to come back to school. It'll be pretty obvious then which children tested positive.

If the infection spreads to another classroom, again we'll hear about it because the pod and/or bubble will be sent home.

hmmm · 01-09-2020 02:24PM

JDD wrote: »

I am no scientist, but I think there is some evidence that individuals who are asymptomatic are not as infectious as those who are merely pre-symptomatic and go on to develop symptoms. Seems logical - the more the viral load, the more infectious you are. And if you have a large viral load, you are more likely to develop symptoms. Since this kid was/is asymptomatic, it's even less likely that they infected someone else.

Mmmmm the papers I've seen haven't backed this up unfortunately. There's an infection curve and it peaks just before and after symptoms show. Kids could be different however, you never know.

The Oort Cloud · 01-09-2020 02:25PM

Why is the health service complaining that people are not wearing their face-masks properly, as they are saying a lot of people are wearing them on their chin. Do they not understand that the reason why folks are wearing them on their chin is because when they enter a building they pull the mask over their face and when outside of the building they pull the mask down under their chin as there is no law that states you have to wear a mask in open public places, only inside a building.

Does the health service actually think that just because people are walking down the road with the face-mask on their chin that they don't pull it up when entering a building? is the health service people that stupid not to understand this?.

The health service made it abundantly clear that just passing by someone will not affect you with Covid-19 as is why people wear the mask on their chin while walking outside in public.

Oranage2 · 01-09-2020 02:26PM

ixoy wrote: »

Why is it terrifying given there's a backlog of cases and Tuesday, as ever, features amongst the highest numbers?

Yeah, it's the highest number for months, I'd be shocked if there's anyone out there NOT panicked by that enormous figure, we're on an unstoppable trajectory to losing control of this killer virus and people are now passing off as a less serious paper cut or something. Crazy crazy attitudes

hmmm · 01-09-2020 02:26PM

thebaz wrote: »

and Why did Covid only hit one city in China , 8 months later this still remains a mystery to me.

There were Covid cases in multiple Chinese cities at the time of the Wuhan outbreak, and isolated outbreaks since. Wuhan was where it was first noticed, and travelers from that city brought it to multiple other locations around China. The Chinese took an approach to dealing with it that only they could take, and it wouldn't be possible to do the same in the West (thankfully).

Hurrache · 01-09-2020 02:29PM

Boggles wrote: »

Apparently that is the policy, we only know about this one because the principal went public, it may not be the first.

You'd be mad to think that there were more but all have been kept secret.

TonyMaloney · 01-09-2020 02:29PM

JDD wrote: »

they have to let the parents know about the first case in the class, because either the "pod" (table) or "bubble" (class) will have to be sent home. They're under no obligation to tell you how many more children in that class have tested positive, because your child will already have been sent home to await a test and/or isolate for 14 days.

if they test the whole class, those with a negative test will be able to come back to school. It'll be pretty obvious then which children tested positive.

If the infection spreads to another classroom, again we'll hear about it because the pod and/or bubble will be sent home.

The whole class won't necessarily be tested

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1300771199610433540?s=20

JDD · 01-09-2020 02:30PM

thebaz wrote: »

Surely this is what should be announced and reported and report how many cases are hospitised and in ICU , rather than how many cases ther are, when many will be assymptomatic and not sick - it practically impossible to get to zero cases now.
I like many fully bought into the idea of full lockdown to flatten the curve , this happened , but thankfully now we are not seeing many deaths or ICU being overloaded, but yet the Authorities and media are still terrifying the country.

I don't pay attention at all to the numbers testing positive anymore, because I don't know how many are asymptomatic and therefore can't tell how serious that number is.

The Covid app now give a number for those hospitalised and the in ICU, with corresponding numbers on the admissions and discharges in the last 24 hours. It's very helpful. That's what I've been basing my existential anxiety on.

Non solum non ambulabit · 01-09-2020 02:30PM

El Sueño wrote: »

14 reported covid deaths in August

Obviously one death is too many but considering we went 40 days in a row with at least 13 deaths at one stage I don't think that's too bad.

On average 2,800 people die every month in Ireland. So that shows how insignificant Covid deaths have been for a while now.

Hard work by all is paying dividends massively

manofwisdom · 01-09-2020 02:31PM

thebaz wrote: »

Surely this is what should be announced and reported and report how many cases are hospitised and in ICU , rather than how many cases ther are, when many will be assymptomatic and not sick - it practically impossible to get to zero cases now.
I like many fully bought into the idea of full lockdown to flatten the curve , this happened , but thankfully now we are not seeing many deaths or ICU being overloaded, but yet the Authorities and media are still terrifying the country.

Should be reported but instead journalists will wet themselves with the 214 number tonight and won't bother to mention it includes cases from the two previous days.

From what I see from the government, health officials, media It's all a ploy to keep people on their toes and not let complacency creep in. The objective is not returning to the April figures whereby hospitals was at bursting point and the majority of deaths happened.

Hurrache · 01-09-2020 02:31PM

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

Do they not understand that the reason why folks are wearing them on their chin is because when they enter a building they pull the mask over their face and when outside of the building they pull the mask down under their chin as there is no law that states you have to wear a mask in open public places, only inside a building.

It's not. It's because there's so many absolutely moronic individuals moving around indoors without wearing masks correctly. Occam's razor.

manofwisdom wrote: »

Should be reported but instead journalists will wet themselves with the 214 number tonight and won't bother to mention it includes cases from the two previous days.

They always add that proviso after a weekend.

ShyMets · 01-09-2020 02:31PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Yeah, it's the highest number for months, I'd be shocked if there's anyone out there NOT panicked by that enormous figure, we're on an unstoppable trajectory to losing control of this killer virus and people are now passing off as a less serious paper cut or something. Crazy crazy attitudes

I'm not going to be to panicked by such a figure. So I hope you're not too shocked

Gerry Hatrick · 01-09-2020 02:33PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Yeah, it's the highest number for months, I'd be shocked if there's anyone out there NOT panicked by that enormous figure, we're on an unstoppable trajectory to losing control of this killer virus and people are now passing off as a less serious paper cut or something. Crazy crazy attitudes

It's a huge figure as the schools go back and you are right it's not great at all.

The majority of people will be very concerned.

thebaz · 01-09-2020 02:33PM

hmmm wrote: »

There were Covid cases in multiple Chinese cities at the time of the Wuhan outbreak, and isolated outbreaks since. Wuhan was where it was first noticed, and travelers from that city brought it to multiple other locations around China. The Chinese took an approach to dealing with it that only they could take, and it wouldn't be possible to do the same in the West (thankfully).

Yeah, but why did it not spread through the other cities like in Wuhan, initially they would have been unaware of its existence say last November, and yet miraculously it only spread in Wuhan , the statistics from China dont add up to me, like much of this virus, the good news is that its severity does not seam as bad as was first feared - but that does not get reported - just Fear , thats is hindering socities mentall illness and a huge toll on other illness.

US2 · 01-09-2020 02:34PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Yeah, it's the highest number for months, I'd be shocked if there's anyone out there NOT panicked by that enormous figure, we're on an unstoppable trajectory to losing control of this killer virus and people are now passing off as a less serious paper cut or something. Crazy crazy attitudes

Hahahaha the mask slips

Non solum non ambulabit · 01-09-2020 02:34PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

It's a huge figure as the schools go back and you are right it's not great at all.

The majority of people will be very concerned.

The figure relates to 3 days of testing not just yesterday but don't let the facts get in the way of your fear agenda.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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