CHAdeMO v CCS

liamog · 04-08-2020 04:48PM

Still about 750 short, between the Model S & Model X (519) and Zoe's which could be CCS, then it could well be even. I think you agreed to exclude them as part of the bet.

ELM327 · 04-08-2020 04:52PM

S and X all are CCS anyway.
I'm still waiting to find the text of the bet

liamog · 04-08-2020 04:55PM

Laviski wrote: »

okay it adds up now.
so the state of play as of July 2020, 11783 electric cars. The early years some cars are marked as UNIDENTIFIED or no model stated. (of that we are talking 20 units)

The numbers on my Google Sheet are a little different, Kona matches. Leaf is 5406, double checked that number on beepbeep, so you are still missing something.

liamog · 04-08-2020 04:56PM

ELM327 wrote: »

S and X all are CCS anyway.
I'm still waiting to find the text of the bet

Is the CHAdeMO adapter still compatible (even if it's not sold) with the new ones, there is no point adding it as a mark in both columns.

Stealthirl · 05-08-2020 02:57AM

So almost half the Irish BEV car fleet is represented by just 1 car. Are you leaving out commercial ENV200's

ELM327 · 05-08-2020 09:18AM

liamog wrote: »

Is the CHAdeMO adapter still compatible (even if it's not sold) with the new ones, there is no point adding it as a mark in both columns.

Compatible yes but not supplied with.
Hence what I was saying about natively supporting CCS as out of the factory you can rock up to a CCS point and charge.

liamog · 05-08-2020 10:44AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Compatible yes but not supplied with.
Hence what I was saying about natively supporting CCS as out of the factory you can rock up to a CCS point and charge.

So after 2019, they are supplied with the CCS adapter? Cool.

Laviski · 05-08-2020 11:26AM

Stealthirl wrote: »

So almost half the Irish BEV car fleet is represented by just 1 car. Are you leaving out commercial ENV200's

data i collected was for passenger only electric vehicles for which i saw the following.

Rank Make Model TotalUnits
24 NISSAN EVALIA 7
25 NISSAN NV200 PASSENGER 7

from sifting through the light commercial id say your only talking 600-700 in total for light commercial (light vans), it isn't massive but the uptake on that but has grown a lot last year with 334 in comparison to the previous year which are less than 100 and going considerably less as you go back.
its great to see some stats but the tool on the site is just rubbish for collecting yearly totals, yet to go back and look through to see why my figures are slightly lighter than liamog's for passenger data.

liamog · 05-08-2020 11:29AM

Did you figure out where your missing Leaf's were, you can cross check against the sheet I published https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tB_jWJf5cZjw36mn9enQ_vU0JDuDe1s-ZE4xFyFwgkI/edit#gid=1699030877&range=M5

Stealthirl · 06-08-2020 05:18AM

Laviski wrote: »

data i collected was for passenger only electric vehicles for which i saw the following.

Rank Make Model TotalUnits
24 NISSAN EVALIA 7
25 NISSAN NV200 PASSENGER 7

I had a look and came up with this
2012
Kangoo 51

2013
Kangoo 7

2014
Kangoo 8
eNV200 3

2015
eNV200 16
Kangoo 4

2016
eNV200 9
Kangoo 4
Tesla 1

2017
eNV200 36
Berlingo 4
Kango 1

2018
Kangoo 42
Berlingo 27
eNV200 22

2019
Kangoo 175
eNV200 94
LDV80 40
Zoe 16
Berlingo 2
Kango 2
Master 2
Vito 2

2020 [so far]
Kangoo 54
eNV200 48
Master 3
LDV80 2
Vito 1
e208 1

Plus a handful of GOUPIL G3 i ignored

1. Renault Kangoo - 346
2. Nissan eNV200 - 228
3. LDV80 - 75
4. Citroën Berlingo - 33
5. Renault Zoe - 16
6. Renault Master - 5
7. Mercedes-Benz Vito - 3
8. Peugeot e208 - 1

Total = 782 (790's with the Goupil G3's)

Laviski · 06-08-2020 11:28AM

As said 2019 was a spectacular uptake for light commercial, but in grand scheme a long way to go.

McGiver · 08-08-2020 11:14PM

ELM327 wrote:

S and X all are CCS anyway. I'm still waiting to find the text of the bet

I'll try finding it

liamog · 01-09-2020 10:03AM

Another good month for CCS, there are now with just 540 cars between CCS and CHAdeMO. With the release of the ID.3 this month, I think we may well see CCS squeak ahead of CHAdeMO by year end.

Make|Model|New|Used|Total
AUDI|E-TRON|9||9
BMW|I3|2||2
HYUNDAI|IONIQ|9|1|10
|KONA|36||36
KIA|NIRO|65||65
|SOUL|54|3|57
MERCEDES-BENZ|EQC|1||1
MG|UNIDENTIFIED||1|1
MINI|MINI CLUBMAN|6||6
|MINI HATCH|2||2
NISSAN|LEAF|17|22|39
OPEL|CORSA|9||9
PEUGEOT|208|15||15
|2008|3||3
|ION ELECTRIC||1|1
PORSCHE|TAYCAN|6||6
RENAULT|TWIZY|1||1
|ZOE|27|1|28
TESLA|MODEL 3|27||27
|MODEL S|1|4|5
VOLKSWAGEN|E GOLF|6||6
Grand Total||296|33|329

innrain · 01-09-2020 10:21AM

Big drop for Nissan. It is going to be an unusual quarter as some companies would push to get into the 0% BIK scheme as new entrants after 31/12/2020 do not qualify. ID3 new deliveries would also push CCS. From the 22 EV models sold as new this year only 2 (?) with CHAdeMO. Yeah we might see CHAdeMO loosing the throne this year.

the_amazing_raisin · 15-09-2020 05:14PM

Yeah looks like Chademo is on a definite decline. Those Leafs won't go anywhere for a while yet, so hopefully DC chargers will keep supporting Chademo for a while yet. I suspect new installations will be CCS only soon, the way Ionity went

liamog · 01-10-2020 12:16PM

This months numbers unsurprisingly a lot of ID.3's registered.
CCS is now at 5543
CHAdeMO at 5575.

Very close to calling this a win for ELM327

Make|Model|New|Used
AUDI|E-TRON|13|1
BMW|I3|8|
HYUNDAI|IONIQ|6|1
|KONA|57|
JAGUAR|I-PACE||3
KIA|NIRO|52|
|SOUL|6|1
MERCEDES-BENZ|E CLASS||1
MG|UNIDENTIFIED||2
MINI|MINI CLUBMAN|13|
|MINI HATCH|8|
NISSAN|LEAF|51|31
OPEL|CORSA|3|
PEUGEOT|208|9|
|2008|1|
PORSCHE|OTHER PORSCHE||1
|TAYCAN|3|
RENAULT|ZOE|15|1
SMART|FORTWO||2
TESLA|MODEL 3|162|
|MODEL S|8|7
|MODEL X|6|
VOLKSWAGEN|E GOLF|5|
|ID|238|
Grand Total||664|51

JohnC. · 01-10-2020 12:41PM

What is “Other Porsche”? Maybe a classic conversion or something?

ELM327 · 01-10-2020 12:48PM

probably a badly registered taycan

slave1 · 01-10-2020 12:58PM

Model 3 still selling well and although modest the S imports are in line with domestic sales, loopy Ioniq figure, they really messed that car up

liamog · 01-10-2020 01:15PM

I don't editorialise the results, I just take what beepbeep records, that's why the Mini Clubmans are left in, I exclude them for the purposes of CHAdeMO vs CCS numbers

ELM327 · 01-10-2020 03:55PM

I think there's a clubman phev

cannco253 · 01-10-2020 04:07PM

Looks like you might be able to convert a Leaf to CCS next year if you wanted to...

https://muxsan.com/English/faq.html#future-products

Will you offer CCS fast charging upgrades?
Yes, probably early 2021

ELM327 · 01-10-2020 04:36PM

I'm not surprised. The connectors and software behind them are not that different. The comms protocol iss different but apart from that should be a straight hardware swapout and reconfig. Tesla are doing it already, albeit with an associated CCS to DC type 2 adapter

liamog · 01-10-2020 06:25PM

ELM327 wrote: »

I think there's a clubman phev

There is, no idea why they are being recorded as electric though in the beepbeep stats, must be someone selecting the wrong option when submitting the data. As far as I can tell it's the only phev that shows up incorrectly. They're recorded in the A0 tax class, A1 should be used for them.

KCross · 01-10-2020 06:41PM

liamog wrote: »

... must be someone selecting the wrong option when submitting the data.

They've the ID.3 listed as "ID" and an "estate" so that is quite likely! :pac:

Should be fun trying to separate out the VW figures when the ID.4 comes on stream and it too gets bundled in as an "ID"!

liamog · 01-10-2020 06:47PM

KCross wrote: »

They've the ID.3 listed as "ID" and an "estate" so that is quite likely! :pac:

Should be fun trying to separate out the VW figures when the ID.4 comes on stream and it too gets bundled in as an "ID"!

So far their have been 6 Mini Convertible's registered and 1 Mini Contertible. I think SIMI need to do some data quality work

unkel · 01-10-2020 07:40PM

cannco253 wrote: »

Looks like you might be able to convert a Leaf to CCS next year if you wanted to...

https://muxsan.com/English/faq.html#future-products

That's great. The CHAdeMO car owners can pay for those conversions if they want to keep up to date. Like I paid for my car's conversion to CCS a couple of weeks ago. So the tax payer no longer has to pay for any new CHAdeMO charger installs. Insane to waste public money on obsolete tech.

liamog · 01-10-2020 07:49PM

unkel wrote: »

That's great. The CHAdeMO car owners can pay for those conversions if they want to keep up to date. Like I paid for my car's conversion to CCS a couple of weeks ago. So the tax payer no longer has to pay for any new CHAdeMO charger installs. Insane to waste public money on obsolete tech.

Now this is an area that we'd all benefit from if SEAI were to introduce a grant.

unkel · 01-10-2020 08:18PM

liamog wrote: »

Now this is an area that we'd all benefit from if SEAI were to introduce a grant.

Grants are always poor use of public funds as the money mostly ends up in someone's pocket it wasn't intended for. SEAI grant for new EVs goes mostly to the manufacturer / dealer. SEAI grant for charger install goes mostly to the installer. SEAI grant for PV install goes mostly to the installer. Etc.

So, no. No grant!

ELM327 · 01-10-2020 08:20PM

I think SEAI should introduce a grant that does not apply retroactively, to CCS conversion and retrofit.
Just so Unkel is done out of money for once!!

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