Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

hmmm wrote: »

Hospitalisations are now rising. We need that to level off.

Statements like this diminish the credibility of your posts.

Which is quite low to begin with

firemansam4 wrote: »

I've been more of a lurker on this thread, and I have been supportive of the restrictions so far especially when things were bad during the Spring.

But I have to say some of the posters here are making valid points, there does seem to be this focus on cases rising and now talk of more restrictions and a second lockdown coming form some people in government and NPHET, which seems like madness at the moment.

The fact that hospital admissions and fatality rate has been very low for many weeks seems to be just being ignored and not even questioned by anyone in the MSM

Yes I do realise it takes time for these figures to come through from when cases have been reported but we should be seeing a surge now since when cases started rising again.
If you look at the first wave there was a 2/3 week gap between the surge in cases and then deaths.

And that's exactly the point I and others have been making. The country has been mostly reopened since June. With no masks needed for the following weeks, the deaths and ICU cases continued to fall. With masks these numbers still stayed extremely low.

At the same time, the narrative has shifted from deaths to cases. All new cases tells us is someone caught the virus - nothing more. But the fact that those ICU and death numbers have stayed so low despite the increase in cases tells us that it's not affecting those who have it in the same way as those who unfortunately died in the earlier stages.

So yes, cases are up, and yes the younger demographics are are being infected BUT they're not getting seriously sick or dying in almost every case. The weeks that are passing since cases started to rise prove that, but for those who do get sick, our hospitals are staffed and available to treat them as needed.

But deaths will still happen. That is sad but inevitable, and happens every day regardless of CV-19. There's no preventing that unfortunately. Masks and lockdowns do not make people immune or immortal.

All that the ongoing restrictions are doing now are killing businesses and jobs, affecting people's mental health, and impacting their ability to get treatment for other illnesses.

It needs to end. Those who actually are at significant risk need to continue to take precautions, limit their interactions, be supported by their local community and so on, and everyone else should continue to observe good hygiene, distancing where practical, masks if they feel it necessary - but we cannot continue to put the well-being of everyone else and the country "on hold" when the evidence increasingly shows no grounds for it.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Its going to be a **** film when they make it.

How will they write the plot to keep it exciting?

Median age of death in Ireland 84, 163 over the age of 65 died in ICU, the rest weren't healthy enough for ICU care.

Maybe the plot of the film could be about the influence of social media, which is much more frightening

Seriously hoping you guys get the green light to make a movie, comedy show of the century. The way you play with stats is amazing, hopefully you'll get more customers to keep business going. In the mean time I hope you don't mind me to get free entertainment, cuz you are so good at it.

hmmm wrote: »

This thread seems to have collected all the Boards posters who think that this virus is trivial, and they are somehow helping by repeating this "fact" over and over again. When the reality is that more than anyone else in society they are the ones who would most contribute to us having to go back into lockdown, because they refuse to even do the basics to try and stop spread - and worse, they are now actively trying to sow distrust of the vaccines which will ultimately get us out of this entirely.

So it's interesting in one sense, particularly when you have posters with 20 and 30 posts to their name who registered about a week ago telling you to get off their thread. I'd be interested to know if Boards.ie are happy to provide a platform for what is being said on here, or perhaps they are just happy that these posters are largely corralled in their own little thought bubble here where they can backslap each other as to how enlightened and intelligent they are. I suspect the latter as it's easier to manage rather than having to continuously police the reregs and bans.

What a gross post. I’m one of those new-regs you refer to. I joined up simply and solely to give my view on this Covid circus.

I’ve spent the past 5 months reading the same hysterical doomsday tripe from people who, in the main, don’t understand what they’re saying. They just repeat some snippet of a stat their equally mathematically challenged friend says. The how will schools re-open thread being a prime example.

People trip over each other verbally to out do each other in how best to show how right on they are in saving granny.

Each and every one of those ‘solutions’ has a cost. Ask them how they propose it’s paid for and you’re met with ‘granny killer’ shrills. That’s if you’re lucky.
No one has a coherent argument about the real threat this is doing to Ireland economically. It’s just ‘we can borrow more to buy PPE’

I wouldn’t be surprised if I’m banned from this website. But more fool boards.ie if they do. My view is no different to ‘others’ and without sounding arrogant, I believe no matter how controversial any of posts may have been in a particular thread, I’ve always strived to back it up with independent evidence and then try to further explain what those particular statistics mean in real terms.

Many others failed to do that with their ‘mainstream’ claims. It’s there for all to see.

xhomelezz wrote: »

Of course that's the facts. It's fine. Sorry for interrupting game here. Just asked if I can watch. Better than any gaa match.

Feel free to point out where anything I said in the post you quoted is incorrect.

xhomelezz wrote: »

I'm just watching the game. And it's entertaining. That's all.

What you're doing (and to be fair, you're not the only one here) is lashing out in a childish petty way because the facts don't correlate with your own view and trying valiantly to denigrate others for having a different opinion. It says more about you than anyone you're lashing out against and it adds nothing to an important debate except noise.

Do (or more accurately, CAN) you dispute the points I made above?

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

What you're doing (and to be fair, you're not the only one here) is lashing out in a childish petty way because the facts don't correlate with your own view and trying valiantly to denigrate others for having a different opinion. It says more about you than anyone you're lashing out against and it adds nothing to an important debate except noise.

Do (or more accurately, CAN) you dispute the points I made above?

Think you do the same, just wrapped it into fancy words. And you at it for while( not only you, to be fair). As you and others play game with covid and rights and freedoms, well I can play too.

xhomelezz wrote: »

I'm just watching the game. And it's entertaining. That's all.

No you’re not. You’re lashing out because the facts being continually drummed into you don’t fit the narrative youd like.

snowcat wrote: »

Im a volunteer with an association linked to the National Ambulance Servive. Just been to a meeting. We have approx 15 people die daily in Ireland from Sudden Cardiac Arrest. We can now not administer CPR on a critically ill patient unless we are fully kitted in PPE due to Covid Regs. This could take us up to 5 minutes to don equipment. Many hundreds will die every year that could have been saved with prompt CPR. Many voluntary organisations will close as they cannot afford the cost of the PPE. This is possibly many more deaths than will die from Covid this year.

Another case of indirect deaths from this pandemic of panic. Terrible, it really is.

€1,15 ... what a price, one more please... and more and more...

There was a huge protest in Berlin today, of course media reported thousands of people attending, but it was definitely tens of thousands.

There will be more protests... it's gonna be big and it's gonna last until there will be change.

BobbyMalone wrote: »

How long is it before we will see a rise in deaths from the current increase in cases? I used to hear the 'two weeks' thing, but I'm guessing that's being revised now?

Deaths can take up to 3 months to be registered, it's up to the family. It's not a useful indicator of current trends. People can also unfortunately spend a long time in ICU before passing away.

The NY Times article today on pcr tests really is incredible...anyway won’t register here, on we go with the farce.