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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,943 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Compare it to the Indo this morning with the ‘four more waves of deadly COVID’ headline

    Or a headline article on the national broadcasters website "The coronavirus lottery, it could be you".

    Yet again, nothing but fear mongering and pushing an agenda that has been clear as day for months now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,867 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Or a headline article on the national broadcasters website "The coronavirus lottery, it could be you".

    Yet again, nothing but fear mongering and pushing an agenda that has been clear as day for months now.

    They’re forever stoking the coals to reignite the fear whenever possible. You have to remove yourself from the likes of the Indo and rte and focus on the actual data


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭acequion


    Two points from today's 'media' - as I have come to the conclusion over lockdown, our free press has ceased to exist some time ago and we were all too busy to notice:
    1. Claire Byrne was painting a picture this morning of two options: Either allow Gardaí to enter people's homes to break up gatherings, or it's inevitable another lockdown will ensue...
    Why would someone in such a position present the Irish public with these two options only? Thankfully most contributors to her show were staunchly against any such measures and couldn't understand why the Government weren't tackling the present issues involved, e.g. meat factories, direct provision, etc. They're throwing around '2nd Lockdown' with no other ideas and it's pathetic.
    2. The witch hunt after Phil Hogan, followed by his resignation, and the subsequent reporting in the media that we'd lost a vital trade post should be alarming to most of the voting public. RTE and others went after Phil Hogan, forced his resignation, and then proceeded to report on what a loss he would be in Brussels. Claire Byrne actually presented this idea yesterday and today as great....because the Government were 'united' in their approach to Big Phil's position....how pathetic that our public representatives would be untied in weakening our State in Trade talks during a time of Brexit and Covid.

    Having the very high moral ground and restrictions for the sake of restrictions has become the number one main concern both in media and Govt. And the depressingly large numbers of finger waggers who adore a good witch hunt are staunch supporters of this madness.

    When the economy eventually comes crashing down and all the free cash with it, that's when the penny might drop!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,867 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    acequion wrote: »
    Having the very high moral ground and restrictions for the sake of restrictions has become the number one main concern both in media and Govt. And the depressingly large numbers of finger waggers who adore a good witch hunt are staunch supporters of this madness.

    When the economy eventually comes crashing down and all the free cash with it, that's when the penny might drop!

    I’ve began to hate a lot of Irish society. Cowardly backwardness, petty insular small mindedness helped by our small island nation isolation have permeated every aspect of life. There was a massive chunk of freaks that would welcome new pernicious laws on entering private houses as manna from heaven- just listen to joe Duffy anyday of the week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    road_high wrote: »
    I’ve began to hate a lot of Irish society. Cowardly backwardness, petty insular small mindedness helped by our small island nation isolation have permeated every aspect of life. There was a massive chunk of freaks that would welcome new pernicious laws on entering private houses as manna from heaven- just listen to joe Duffy anyday of the week

    This pandemic for me has been a real eye opener about certain cohorts of people. I’m not sure what’s worse, the virus or my realisations.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭KindOfIrish


    acequion wrote: »
    Having the very high moral ground and restrictions for the sake of restrictions has become the number one main concern both in media and Govt. And the depressingly large numbers of finger waggers who adore a good witch hunt are staunch supporters of this madness.

    When the economy eventually comes crashing down and all the free cash with it, that's when the penny might drop!

    That's the only hope. But I'm afraid that COVID damaged brains are not so easily curable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,867 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    This pandemic for me has been a real eye opener about certain cohorts of people.

    There’s a certain age group, gender and demographic/s that Fit right in there for me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    If u told me this forum would still be active in September a few months ago, I’d have jumped in the Liffey. I’m beginning to think we will still have these bollox restrictions in a years time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭KindOfIrish


    road_high wrote: »
    I’ve began to hate a lot of Irish society. Cowardly backwardness, petty insular small mindedness helped by our small island nation isolation have permeated every aspect of life. There was a massive chunk of freaks that would welcome new pernicious laws on entering private houses as manna from heaven- just listen to joe Duffy anyday of the week

    Personally, I am far from hatred, I rather scared for my future. How to live without free press? How to trust the Government? I am hoping to see some action by our judiciary by protecting the Constitution and peoples rights. If it won't happen, there is no hope. The country we had known for the last 20 years before this madness, have gone.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    deisedevil wrote: »

    "nothing, in theory, can be excluded"

    Media would wither you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    beaz2018 wrote: »
    If u told me this forum would still be active in September a few months ago, I’d have jumped in the Liffey. I’m beginning to think we will still have these bollox restrictions in a years time.

    I can't see how one could justify an influenza death in the future without a lockdown.

    The future is bleak


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I can't see how one could justify an influenza death in the future without a lockdown.

    The future is bleak

    Hahaha! Talk about hysteria. Read back what you've just typed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭gral6


    That's the only hope. But I'm afraid that COVID damaged brains are not so easily curable.

    According to this topic, someone's brains were damaged long before Covid. Covid has just escalated this complications


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    road_high wrote: »
    I’ve began to hate a lot of Irish society. Cowardly backwardness, petty insular small mindedness helped by our small island nation isolation have permeated every aspect of life. There was a massive chunk of freaks that would welcome new pernicious laws on entering private houses as manna from heaven- just listen to joe Duffy anyday of the week
    This. Starting to detest living in this nanny state. Off to Lisbon for a week next Saturday, I've never looked forward to getting out of this place so much.

    I'm a very proud Irishman but the last 6 months has shocked me. Every facet of our lives is been dictated by a man no one heard ever a few months ago.

    As a society we are weak and easily manipulated by media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Hahaha! Talk about hysteria. Read back what you've just typed.

    If a Covid death is worthy of a lockdown, so is another death.

    We may get used to it, it is a police state after all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Lundstram wrote: »
    As a society we are weak and easily manipulated by media.

    It appears the majority of citizen's in Ireland believe the 1st ever death in Ireland was last March.

    People have incredible inability to understand statistics


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,982 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    If a Covid death is worthy of a lockdown, so is another death.

    We may get used to it, it is a police state after all

    You have no idea what's police state :D It's more about lacking credible police force here. Been living here for 14 years and Ireland is far away from being any close to police state. Any scumbag can do as he please, cuz there's no punishment whatsoever. The minute they actually wanted to give cops chance to tackle dangerous behaviour of some, you guys jumping from your holes crying about your rights. Pathetic


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,254 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    road_high wrote: »
    I’ve began to hate a lot of Irish society. Cowardly backwardness, petty insular small mindedness helped by our small island nation isolation have permeated every aspect of life. There was a massive chunk of freaks that would welcome new pernicious laws on entering private houses as manna from heaven- just listen to joe Duffy anyday of the week
    Micky 32 wrote: »
    This pandemic for me has been a real eye opener about certain cohorts of people. I’m not sure what’s worse, the virus or my realisations.

    We've always been a nation of curtain-twitchers and begrudgers - either about what our neighbours have, or are "getting away with" that we aren't.

    It's not helped by our parochial me-fein outlook and tribal nonsense like the GAA, which ultimately results in the politics and politicians we have. All about what's in it for me. We still admire the cute hoor and lament when he gets caught ("Shure have they nothing else to be at"), many privately admitting we'd do the same if we had the brass neck/balls.

    Alongside that we have an instinctive "need" to be liked and approved of ("everyone loves the Irish", "look at our young mixed-race gay Taoiseach - aren't we progressive" etc). It's why we soak up the worst influences of social media's divisive identity politics and jump on every crusade (WTF relevance have the racial issues in the USA to Ireland?) and so on.

    So Covid and the response has indeed been ideal for such people who are obsessed with the behaviours of those around them. They get to advertise how compliant they are for the "likes", and attack those who question the consensus - "Why should my neighbour "get away with" not wearing a mask?"

    It's always been this way unfortunately. The Celtic Tiger years exposed it, the Recession exposed it, and the CV-19 event has magnified it ten-fold through both the constant fear and negativity from mainstream media, and the absolute hysteria and confrontational aspect of social media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    The minute they actually wanted to give cops chance to tackle dangerous behaviour of some, you guys jumping from your holes crying about your rights. Pathetic

    Dangerous behavior?

    A few youngster's having cans in a house is dangerous behavior?

    You have just proven the point about the hysteric nonsense pumped out by the media swallowed up by those who are vulnerable and easily influenced without proof


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,982 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Dangerous behavior?

    A few youngster's having cans in a house is dangerous behavior?

    You have just proven the point about the hysteric nonsense pumped out by the media swallowed up by those who are vulnerable and easily influenced without proof

    Sure I did :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Lundstram wrote: »
    This. Starting to detest living in this nanny state. Off to Lisbon for a week next Saturday, I've never looked forward to getting out of this place so much.

    I'm a very proud Irishman but the last 6 months has shocked me. Every facet of our lives is been dictated by a man no one heard ever a few months ago.

    As a society we are weak and easily manipulated by media.

    Unfortunately humans have tendencies to abdicate decision making to other so called “experts”. It is too taxing to search for evidence, analyse and make our own decisions. That is why we are prone to be easily manipulated. The role of experts when it comes to predicting future events has been proven time and time again to be very overrated. For very complex and dynamic problems average Joe is just as accurate in his predictions. So called experts suffer from a strong tendency to overestimate their competence by 15-30%, depending on the field. The future often times is nothing like the past.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    If a Covid death is worthy of a lockdown, so is another death.

    We may get used to it, it is a police state after all

    Just trolling now. Bye.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭acequion


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    We've always been a nation of curtain-twitchers and begrudgers - either about what our neighbours have, or are "getting away with" that we aren't.

    It's not helped by our parochial me-fein outlook and tribal nonsense like the GAA, which ultimately results in the politics and politicians we have. All about what's in it for me. We still admire the cute hoor and lament when he gets caught ("Shure have they nothing else to be at"), many privately admitting we'd do the same if we had the brass neck/balls.

    Alongside that we have an instinctive "need" to be liked and approved of ("everyone loves the Irish", "look at our young mixed-race gay Taoiseach - aren't we progressive" etc). It's why we soak up the worst influences of social media's divisive identity politics and jump on every crusade (WTF relevance have the racial issues in the USA to Ireland?) and so on.

    So Covid and the response has indeed been ideal for such people who are obsessed with the behaviours of those around them. They get to advertise how compliant they are for the "likes", and attack those who question the consensus - "Why should my neighbour "get away with" not wearing a mask?"

    It's always been this way unfortunately. The Celtic Tiger years exposed it, the Recession exposed it, and the CV-19 event has magnified it ten-fold through both the constant fear and negativity from mainstream media, and the absolute hysteria and confrontational aspect of social media.

    Excellent post, 100% agree with everything you write.

    We are a nation of small minded hypocrites and always have been. I'm not one bit surprised by the current behaviours and attitudes because as you say, the me-feinism and pettiness were very much exposed during the Tiger years and subsequent recession. The begrudgery towards people who still had jobs and god forbid, good jobs, during the recession was staggering and that's when my eyes were opened.

    It's an ugly facet of human nature which is prevalent everywhere, but it's magnified here in Ireland because we're a small island nation with an island mentality in our DNA and because huge institutionalised influences like the Church and mass media have capitalised on it very successfully here. What is disappointing is how despite being well educated,many are so brainwashed and just can't/won't see it.

    Conversely loads of Irish love to be seen as do gooders and will jump on the band wagon of the latest feel good/cool cause. 30 years ago there was fire and brimstone and overwhelming social disapproval if any poor girl got pregnant or god forbid, went to England for an abortion. 30 years on the same people vote in droves for all that's progressive. And I'm not saying that there aren't a lot of very genuinely progressive people in Ireland as thankfully,there are. But there are huge swathes who just go along with whatever is in. And that ugly facet of Irishness is really evident at the moment as what's in,is Covid mania.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    It's clearly a dangerous time at the moment, the case numbers are finely balanced. I wonder if we are seeing something now which was happening back in January/February, but unable to detect at the time?

    It's up to everyone now to do our bit to see off this wave, and by doing so we will help businesses and other places stay open. We can all wear masks, wash our hands, social distance, don't do stupid things like go to parties. There's a fair few cranks out there, and a lot of people who don't particularly care (and will be the first to complain about things closing), but as long as most of us do our bit we have a chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,943 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's clearly a dangerous time at the moment,
    I know, all those deaths this week make it clear that we should be very concerned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,867 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I know, all those deaths this week make it clear that we should be very concerned.

    Every time has been dangerous to some...second wave bla bla. I switch off from the hysteria at this stage, you’ve got to become immune to it. Rather like Covid itself


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's clearly a dangerous time at the moment, the case numbers are finely balanced. I wonder if we are seeing something now which was happening back in January/February, but unable to detect at the time?

    It's up to everyone now to do our bit to see off this wave, and by doing so we will help businesses and other places stay open. We can all wear masks, wash our hands, social distance, don't do stupid things like go to parties. There's a fair few cranks out there, and a lot of people who don't particularly care (and will be the first to complain about things closing), but as long as most of us do our bit we have a chance.

    Vague, arbitrary and ultimately ignorant, self-righteous nonsense.

    You are talking about covid? The pretty harmless virus that only actually impacts a small portion of people in a noticeable way, as reflected in the data though not reflected in the media. Your posts are insane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Interesting the numbers at the Berlin and London protests today against Lockdown measures. Being reported in the mainstream media as ‘Conspiracy Theorists attending anti Covid rally’. There’s only so long you can attempt to paint thousands of people and mass protests as fringe movements. Covid is a real virus, it is dangerous to a minority of people and not to most, that’s the reality.
    Our civil liberties, economy, way of life is being washed down the toilet on a daily basis by our incompetent politicians. NPHET are actually featuring in an article in the Irish Independent saying ‘they want to avoid a national lockdown’. They are not the Government or elected officials & should not have the remit to ‘order’ a lockdown here whatsoever.
    I really do hope people are waking up to this absolute over reaction, people have been absolutely frozen in fear for months.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,982 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Vague, arbitrary and ultimately ignorant, self-righteous nonsense.

    You are talking about covid? The pretty harmless virus that only actually impacts a small portion of people in a noticeable way, as reflected in the data though not reflected in the media. Your posts are insane.

    Harmless virus :D


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