Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

stephenjmcd · 27-08-2020 08:48PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I know I am repeating myself but honestly Irish publicans are tight arsd as fk.

Not a thing to entice us like a plate of crisps and nuts even. FGS that is not a king's ransom, but NO. never.

Just desserts and I have honestly no worries for them at all.

Don't go then its quite simple.

Nobody forcing you into a pub.

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 08:49PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

So you've been to bars? Open ones like?

Just because they have had extra staff (not sure how you'd know this unless you taking inventory) doesn't mean the tiny dwarf bars in your town will have to.

Yes I've been to food pubs, and I do this crazy thing called talking, I also went to some of these places before lockdown, so would know how many.

But you're talking about reduced capacity. How do snack boxes being in the bar reduce capacity? Do you live in a town with tiny bars and giant snack boxes?

You've said "just do what other pubs do" I assume your talking about teaming up with the local chipper right? (which means that you can't even open till 5)

Spanish Eyes · 27-08-2020 08:50PM

giveitholly wrote: »

They are pubs that sell alcohol,not a peanut factory,if you crave peanuts and crisps that badly bulk buy them in the supermarkets

Come on apart from Ireland and UK there is always a plate of nuts and stuff when you order a drink elsewhere.

But not here.

The Vintners never got it though.. And the more salty the snacks, the more drinks that are bought.

Idiots.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 27-08-2020 08:53PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Come on apart from Ireland and UK there is always a plate of nuts and stuff when you order a drink elsewhere.

But not here.

The Vintners never got it though.. And the more salty the snacks, the more drinks that are bought.

Idiots.

I remember living in London 20 years ago and the night clubs had to feed you on your way out, not sure why, food was always absolutely scabby.

hetuzozaho · 27-08-2020 08:53PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

The gov to say you can open without needing to supply food.

Most bars I know have spent thousands on safety measures, stock and sky with the idea that they were opening June 29th,they're never seeing that money again, as well as paying rates and staff. That's not right, if the government are effectively banning you from working, a piss restart grant and a 2% vat cut wouldn't cover leaving the fridges on.

That sounds reasonable.

Sounded like they couldn't manage the social distancing etc from what other posters said.

But would it really be much to throw a cold meat and cheese box together and throw them in the fridge?

They need people to do table service anyway. People to clean down the tables after use etc. Are we 100% they can do everything but the food?

Spanish Eyes · 27-08-2020 08:53PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Would you really like to be eating crisps/peanuts from open bowls and some people after coming back from the toilet without washing their hands! You could end up with something worse than covid

It is more about the offering than the partaking. I do like to see it though, but I get your point. It can be done per table though. They will always make excuses. Tight arsd fks.

giveitholly · 27-08-2020 08:54PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Come on apart from Ireland and UK there is always a plate of nuts and stuff when you order a drink elsewhere.

But not here.

The Vintners never got it though.. And the more salty the snacks, the more drinks that are bought.

Idiots.

Not really,eating peanuts or crisps while drinking a pint of Guinness ruins the taste of Guinness and the head of the pint goes yellow from the salt

Spanish Eyes · 27-08-2020 08:55PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I remember living in London 20 years ago and the night clubs had to feed you on your way out, not sure why, food was always absolutely scabby.

Showing my age but Leeson Street crapolas were the same back in the day, but here we are reminiscing about the Good Ole Days, LOL.

MrStuffins · 27-08-2020 08:57PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

You've said "just do what other pubs do" I assume your talking about teaming up with the local chipper right? (which means that you can't even open till 5)

Take aways open before 5pm. You live in the middle of Dublin, have a look at Just Eat tomorrow at midday and tell me there are none open.

Anyway, back to the snack boxes. You keep talking about capacity dropping 40% - 60%? How does a leg of chicken affect this?

Justin Credible Darts · 27-08-2020 09:04PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

A ****ing shambles. If they had have just stuck to the plan.

It's an anti alcohol thing. Pure and simple, it was their golden ticket to go after our drinking culture.

We need pubs to just start opening and telling them to **** off

Wow.

Enlighten me, when pubs selling food are open...they sell alcohol
Off licenses are open
The good friday thing gone

how is this anti alcohol ?
And this "our drinking culture"....that drinking culture that sees people act like scum, people more prone to commit crime, more wives beaten, more people with health issues, more people with depression.

You might want it to be your culture, not everyone sees it as the epicenter of their life. You sound like someone highly dependent on alcohol

Justin Credible Darts · 27-08-2020 09:08PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Are you suggesting that these pubs are at 100% capacity at all times? Impossible!

Seems like you just don't like social distancing

look how the same people would have you believe that pubs were not closing by the hundreds BEFORE covid.

This sense of entitlement by people that they HAVE to go to the pub is laughable

vafankillar · 27-08-2020 09:09PM

do pubs actually need a restaurant licence or can they just open? why aren't more places just doing pizza or whatever?

also noticed a good few places closed that i'd assume could open. o'neils on suffolk street in dublin being one

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 09:09PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Take aways open before 5pm. You live in the middle of Dublin, have a look at Just Eat tomorrow at midday and tell me there are none open.

Anyway, back to the snack boxes. You keep talking about capacity dropping 40% - 60%? How does a leg of chicken affect this?

So a pub should keep 15-20 menus in case I fancy pad Thai? Actually there's a question, if I deliveroo boojum does that count, or do the pub have to do it??

If you are at reduced capacity your spend per person has to be higher, removing the need for food does 2 things

1:your 4 pint and home regulars will actually come back, they won't eat in a pub unless it's bacon fries, but they're your main source of income monday-thursday

2: if you remove the need for food, that money might end up in your till, instead of the chippers.

I understand why the restrictions were brought in, but If you're pub can open safely, it should be allowed, but that would involve leadership and enforcement, and we're not great at that.

machiavellianme · 27-08-2020 09:12PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Showing my age but Leeson Street crapolas were the same back in the day, but here we are reminiscing about the Good Ole Days, LOL.

Twas part of the licence requirements in the late 90s. Developed a penchant for their curries. Would often forego dinner and grab one on the way in, then another about 2 hours later before a final one for the road at closing time. No one else seemed to be bothered but a night out was a steal. 5 pounds in a 1.80 per pint at the time.

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 09:13PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

That sounds reasonable.

Sounded like they couldn't manage the social distancing etc from what other posters said.

But would it really be much to throw a cold meat and cheese box together and throw them in the fridge?

They need people to do table service anyway. People to clean down the tables after use etc. Are we 100% they can do everything but the food?

I have talked to a publican who reckons he can rustle up chessboards for 3-4 euro and just give them away, but unfortunately they have no idea if they are allowed or not because the regulations are as clear as mud. I think at this stage he's just gonna say **** it.

hetuzozaho · 27-08-2020 09:20PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I have talked to a publican who reckons he can rustle up chessboards for 3-4 euro and just give them away, but unfortunately they have no idea if they are allowed or not because the regulations are as clear as mud. I think at this stage he's just gonna say **** it.

Once he keeps those chessboards clean!

From what I've seen you can. I get the feeling pubs don't want to.But I'm probably wrong as why wouldn't they want to?

Like I know pubs who used to serve food that haven't opened and are tweeting #supportnotsympathy and pubs that are open selling food and pints tweeting #supportnotsympathy and they want the government to announce pints with no food needed. Why? They are open.

end of the road · 27-08-2020 09:23PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

The gov to say you can open without needing to supply food.

Most bars I know have spent thousands on safety measures, stock and sky with the idea that they were opening June 29th,they're never seeing that money again, as well as paying rates and staff. That's not right, if the government are effectively banning you from working, a piss restart grant and a 2% vat cut wouldn't cover leaving the fridges on.

but that is all we can afford.
we cannot afford to give large or medium scale supports to publicans, we have more important things to fund that do pass a BCR.

CertifiedSimp · 27-08-2020 09:25PM

I'd say a lot of rural pubs are happy enough to be shut. A man and wife running a pub get 700 cash a week now. Wouldn't be hard make that in a rural pub!

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 09:26PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Once he keeps those chessboards clean!

From what I've seen you can. I get the feeling pubs don't want to.But I'm probably wrong as why wouldn't they want to?

A lot of pubs just wouldn't make money selling food, and the start up costs of doing them would be prohibitive

Like I know pubs who used to serve food that haven't opened and are tweeting #supportnotsympathy and pubs that are open selling food and pints tweeting #supportnotsympathy and they want the government to announce pints with no food needed. Why? They are open.

Most pubs in an area wouldn't be in competition, no one wants thousands of people unemployed and most importantly........ If you're the only pub in the area open, where you gonna go for a cheeky pint at lunch??

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 09:28PM

end of the road wrote: »

but that is all we can afford.
we cannot afford to give large or medium scale supports to publicans, we have more important things to fund that do pass a BCR.

If only there was a way these pubs could get cash flowing again, in turn having staff paying taxes and the business giving instead of taking........

If only........

27-08-2020 09:28PM

Jesus this thread is full of arseholes

end of the road · 27-08-2020 09:32PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

A ****ing shambles. If they had have just stuck to the plan.

It's an anti alcohol thing. Pure and simple, it was their golden ticket to go after our drinking culture.

We need pubs to just start opening and telling them to **** off

yeah?
so say that happened, who do you think would win out in the end? clue, it won't be the pubs.

end of the road · 27-08-2020 09:36PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

If only there was a way these pubs could get cash flowing again, in turn having staff paying taxes and the business giving instead of taking........

If only........

there is a way, if they are unable or unwilling to take that way then nothing can be done, they will just have to wait until they are told they can reopen.

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 09:45PM

end of the road wrote: »

there is a way, if they are unable or unwilling to take that way then nothing can be done, they will just have to wait until they are told they can reopen.

If they are unable to take that way then they should be given every support available, above and beyond a restart grant, as they are being selectively targeted.

If they are unwilling, maybe there's a reason, they should be helped anyway, perhaps free haacp training, or a grant for equipping a kitchen.

Either way, acting like peppermint patty and constantly pulling the ball away is neither fair nor a sign of good leadership.

Spanish Eyes · 27-08-2020 09:47PM

AdamD wrote: »

Jesus this thread is full of arseholes

Why do you think that AdamD?

tibia · 27-08-2020 09:47PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I have talked to a publican who reckons he can rustle up chessboards for 3-4 euro

Should make his move before his business goes to pieces.

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 09:49PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Why do you think that AdamD?

If you're willing to see thousands of jobs go to the wall and millions disappear from the exchequer because you're bitter you don't get free peanuts, he might have a point......

hynesie08 · 27-08-2020 09:51PM

tibia wrote: »

Should make his move before his business goes to pieces.

Agreed, the government are just going to keep kicking the can down the road........

Spanish Eyes · 27-08-2020 10:05PM

Pubs are gone.

Why would anyone want to share their saliva and shouting with them anyway!

And I don't care what anyone thinks, some publicans were and will be tight as ducks asses and would never give you a packet of Taytos or whatever, and I stand by that. They just expect their clients to order Guinness or whatever.

Just desserts to the feckers.

hetuzozaho · 27-08-2020 10:10PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

A lot of pubs just wouldn't make money selling food, and the start up costs of doing them would be prohibitive

Most pubs in an area wouldn't be in competition, no one wants thousands of people unemployed and most importantly........ If you're the only pub in the area open, where you gonna go for a cheeky pint at lunch??

Yeah fair enough I guess it's more complicated than it appears to me.

I'd be delighted with no food and the rest of the regulations. Be able to just pop in for a pint is greatly missed for myself. Seems like it's worth trying to me, but looks unlikely now with statements today.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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