Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

hmmm · 26-08-2020 04:54PM

Boggles wrote: »

That's why he is saying we are at a crossroads, the reality is they can't do very much except to bring in nationwide restrictions.

I imagine they won't be as bad as March - they can't be.

A lot of the problem areas are in places where people are ignoring the current rules. Unless we enforce the existing rules, what's the point of new ones? How do we stop people throwing house parties, or inviting all their relatives over to celebrate grandad's 70th birthday?

We might be looking at fairly fundamental choices about how we do policing in the country, I'm not sure the Guards will be happy. The Spanish/Italian/French police have no problem wading into a house and breaking up gatherings, that's never been our tradition of policing.

Boggles · 26-08-2020 04:55PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

He’s trying to scare people 100%

Into doing what?

He could put on a Halloween mask and cut off Mattie McGraths head live on TV and it won't make a blind bit difference to how people are acting.

ACitizenErased · 26-08-2020 04:55PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well he’s gotten my 82 year old grandmother frightened as she was on edge last night when I saw her(socially distantly) and she was worried there’d be another lockdown so he’d achieved his goal.

He’s an absolute gobsh*te, completely out of his depth

26-08-2020 04:55PM

he's some neck even mentioning that in the week that was!! This isn't shrewd at all. It;s like paul reids second wave is on the way..well of course it is paul, if you lot let it into the care homes again..

There's positive with covid and there's positively sick with covid.
looking at the hospital admissions, the latter is thinner on the ground than ever. ERGO, curve is still flat as a pancake.

Itssoeasy · 26-08-2020 04:56PM

By the way what was the figure from the supposed COVID 19 whisperer ?

26-08-2020 04:57PM

hmmm wrote: »

A lot of the problem areas are in places where people are ignoring the current rules. Unless we enforce the existing rules, what's the point of new ones? How do we stop people throwing house parties, or inviting all their relatives over to celebrate grandad's 70th birthday?

We might be looking at fairly fundamental choices about how we do policing in the country, I'm not sure the Guards will be happy. The Spanish/Italian/French police have no problem wading into a house and breaking up gatherings, that's never been our tradition of policing.

Because that's illegal in our country

Akabusi · 26-08-2020 04:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Notified Body Auditor: Can I see your testing data for the last two years?

Lab: Certainly here you go

Auditor: I see you conducted hundred of Covid tests for Honest Larry's Meat Packing, Can I see the purchase reqs associated with this testing?

Lab: Here you go

Auditor: Can I see any communications between you and the customer?

Lab Answer 1: No, Privileged information

Result: Lose accreditation due to not divulging information relating to testing for a reportable disease

Lab Answer 2: here you go

Result: Lose accreditation due to conspiring with customer to mislead authorities in relation to testing for a reportable disease

This reminded me of being audited, the training records and procedures where still hot from the printer when i was handing them to the auditor.

Atlantic Dawn · 26-08-2020 04:57PM

Talk of a new lockdown and then at the same time opening up the schools, doesn't make a single bit of sense.

Ficheall · 26-08-2020 04:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Goes without saying.

Well, it wasn't clear from your post - just checking.

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would you be telling people you have not seen in months possibly?

Well, possibly for the...
"Hey, how are you?"
"Grand, yeah. You?"
"Fine. Any news since we last spoke?"
"Not really, same as every other conversation we've had since March. You?"
"YES!! I HAVE COVID!"
:pac:

I don't see why it would be embarrassing to tell people. It's more like "I have the flu

" than "I have chlamydia

".

Boggles · 26-08-2020 04:59PM

hmmm wrote: »

A lot of the problem areas are in places where people are ignoring the current rules. Unless we enforce the existing rules, what's the point of new ones? How do we stop people throwing house parties, or inviting all their relatives over to celebrate grandad's 70th birthday?

We might be looking at fairly fundamental choices about how we do policing in the country, I'm not sure the Guards will be happy. The Spanish/Italian/French police have no problem wading into a house and breaking up gatherings, that's never been our tradition of policing.

Like I said I haven't a clue what national restrictions they will come up with.

We know what works.

The reality is, if things don't change rapidly they are in danger of losing control of the virus.

blowitupref · 26-08-2020 05:01PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Donnelly saying we could have a national lockdown

We’ll see pigs flying before that happens

I'm starting to think Mr Donnelly was once hit in the head by a flying trampoline..

Atlantic Dawn · 26-08-2020 05:01PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

By the way what was the figure from the supposed COVID 19 whisperer ?

CLXIV new cases

XCIII in Dublin
XXII in Kildare
XIII in Carlow
X in Tipperary

stephenjmcd · 26-08-2020 05:02PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Talk of a new lockdown and then at the same time opening up the schools, doesn't make a single bit of sense.

He's at odds with what NPHET say anyway and what Glynn has publicly said. There won't be another lockdown because we couldn't afford it.

He's out of his depth. Even when he speaks he's incredibly boring to listen to. Sounds like he's trying to narrate a book.

Whatever about Harris as health minister at least he was able to communicate properly

hmmm · 26-08-2020 05:03PM

AdamD wrote: »

Because that's illegal in our country

The problem is not that it is illegal, the government can change that quickly. Our police force governs by consent which was a response to the heavy-handed police force we had pre-independence. Governing by consent relies on the vast majority of the population voluntarily following rules.

Covid doesn't much care about this however. One family gathering with a super-spreading event can lead to an outbreak in a factory, hospital and school and ultimately leading to a county lockdown. It's a very difficult problem.

Itssoeasy · 26-08-2020 05:04PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

CLXIV new cases

XCIII in Dublin
XXII in Kildare
XIII in Carlow
X in Tipperary

93 in Dublin 22 in Kildare and 13 in Carlow and 10 in Tipperary. So 138 I make it.

The last three are easy but I think that’s what Dublin is. C is 100 and X is ten which is before it so 90 and then rocky III after that.

Happydays2020 · 26-08-2020 05:08PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

93 in Dublin 22 in Kildare and 13 in Carlow and 10 in Tipperary. So 138 I make it.

The last three are easy but I think that’s what Dublin is. C is 100 and X is ten which is before it so 90 and then rocky III after that.

The balance is the other counties.

Polar101 · 26-08-2020 05:08PM

“Somewhere between 70 and 80 per cent of people will show up for day zero tests, and on occasion it gets closer to 85 per cent,” she said. “On the day 7 tests, it is closer to 50 per cent. Looking at the age profiles, the cohorts who have the most difficulty tend to be the very young and the more elderly,”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-committee-hears-significant-peaks-coming-soon-to-ireland-1.4339269

That's a lot of people who can't be arsed to show up for the second test.

stephenjmcd · 26-08-2020 05:10PM

Polar101 wrote: »

“Somewhere between 70 and 80 per cent of people will show up for day zero tests, and on occasion it gets closer to 85 per cent,” she said. “On the day 7 tests, it is closer to 50 per cent. Looking at the age profiles, the cohorts who have the most difficulty tend to be the very young and the more elderly,”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-committee-hears-significant-peaks-coming-soon-to-ireland-1.4339269

That's a lot of people who can't be arsed to show up for the second test.

Not great for day 7 tests. Day 0 seems alot higher than previously mentioned

Longing · 26-08-2020 05:10PM

Whats up with Spain lately. 7296 cases today highest number since March.

ACitizenErased · 26-08-2020 05:10PM

Polar101 wrote: »

“Somewhere between 70 and 80 per cent of people will show up for day zero tests, and on occasion it gets closer to 85 per cent,” she said. “On the day 7 tests, it is closer to 50 per cent. Looking at the age profiles, the cohorts who have the most difficulty tend to be the very young and the more elderly,”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-committee-hears-significant-peaks-coming-soon-to-ireland-1.4339269

That's a lot of people who can't be arsed to show up for the second test.

The very young as in children? They probably refuse after the nasal swab.

Hubertj · 26-08-2020 05:11PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Gerry Killeen is back predicting 1,000 cases a day soon.

The usual stuff from him, close schools, restaurants, cinemas etc.

Lockdown again etc etc.

Why is he so miserable al the time? I don’t recall him ever saying anything positive even when things were in a much better position. Suggesting restaurants should close is idiotic. It just means people socialising in each other’s houses more

Le Bruise · 26-08-2020 05:12PM

Boggles wrote: »

Unfortunately that simply isn't true.

The reality is NPHET have very little weaponry in their armory, testing, tracing and isolation only work so well to a point, when the instances of the virus reaches X in the community, playing constant wack a mole simply isn't feasible.

I have said for time that X is around 1300 instances of a virus a week, with exponential growth in clusters and nationwide community spread.

185-200 cases a day and rising.

If the "beer" figures are accurate we are in and around 120 cases a day for the last 7 days.

You are looking at 1-3 weeks to exceed 200 cases a day that's even without factoring in the daily millions of new contracts and movements the schools will bring.

That's why he is saying we are at a crossroads, the reality is they can't do very much except to bring in nationwide restrictions.

I imagine they won't be as bad as March - they can't be.

What they will look like I have no idea.

IF they were the same wishy washey ones that were brought into the LOK counties they might as well not bother.

'National lockdown' was what I was saying there was zero chance of (not sure if they were the exact words he used, just going on what I read here).

There's always a chance of some nationwide restrictions (as you say), but the public buy in won't be there for anything too strict....esp after golfgate!

Agreed that if it's like LOK, don't bother. Just hurting businesses more than anything.

ACitizenErased · 26-08-2020 05:14PM

There will not be a national lockdown, anyone who believes there will be is delusional. Glynn was literally speaking at the same hearing earlier saying if the economy stops again our health service will not cope.

Polar101 · 26-08-2020 05:15PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The very young as in children? They probably refuse after the nasal swab.

Yeah, I think you're right, I missed the next paragraph.

She added that the HSE is examining different tests for children, including saliva tests, “to make it an easier appointment to attend”.

Funsterdelux · 26-08-2020 05:16PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Talk of a new lockdown and then at the same time opening up the schools, doesn't make a single bit of sense.

September is the inverse of March

ACitizenErased · 26-08-2020 05:17PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Yeah, I think you're right, I missed the next paragraph.

She added that the HSE is examining different tests for children, including saliva tests, “to make it an easier appointment to attend”.

Ah yeah thats it so - i’d imagine its quite scary for kids

hmmm · 26-08-2020 05:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There will not be a national lockdown, anyone who believes there will be is delusional. Glynn was literally speaking at the same hearing earlier saying if the economy stops again our health service will not cope.

A national lockdown doesn't stop people having house parties, or inviting all their relatives over for a birthday party. It just ends up punishing the responsible people, while the irresponsible carry on regardless.

I've a simple solution - fine a property owner if they are discovered with more than the allowed number of people in their home.

Oranage2 · 26-08-2020 05:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There will not be a national lockdown, anyone who believes there will be is delusional. Glynn was literally speaking at the same hearing earlier saying if the economy stops again our health service will not cope.

Glynn should just focus on the virus and not to worry about the economy. If we see more hospitalizations we have no other choice but too lockdown

stephenjmcd · 26-08-2020 05:23PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Glynn should just focus on the virus and not to worry about the economy. If we see more hospitalizations we have no other choice but too lockdown

Well he kind of has to worry, another lockdown with another vast reduction in economic output coupled with increased social welfare costs all = less money for health.

Not sure how some dont understand a worse off economy means a worse off health system. That's the point he's making.

Its been as good as said there won't be another lockdown, Donnelly seems to love mentioning it

Gerry Hatrick · 26-08-2020 05:23PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Gerry Killeen is back predicting 1,000 cases a day soon.

The usual stuff from him, close schools, restaurants, cinemas etc.

Lockdown again etc etc.

Extremely worrying alright.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Comments