How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Sunday Sunday · 25-08-2020 03:26PM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Ah lads, my girlfriend (of only a couple of months) is currently overseas on holiday (in a non-green-listed nation) with her two kids (one of primary school age. Upon return, to the best of my knowledge, she has no intention to quarantine and will be sending the child into school straight away.

I am very aware of all of the ethical breaches here. And I am suitably embarrassed to be associated with them. But I am also in a position of insight here. I was unable to change her mind about going - but I can still play a role...

I need to shop her, don't I? I can't knowingly, in all good conscience let her send her kid into school, can I?
Even if it spells the probable end to the relationship (I would imagine).

So who should I call? Who should I go to? Who handles this sort of situation?
I feel terrible about this. It's absolutely no fun. All advice appreciated.

They will be many like her unfortunately, I know a couple of neighbours doing the same and heading back to their workplaces to boot.

I'd imagine the schools and employers hands are tied, they can ask the question of course, have you been abroad recently, where did you go, but nothing to stop people lying.

Some people will always be selfish ignorant gob****es.

CoronaBlocker · 25-08-2020 03:26PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Have you thought of dumping her dumb ass.

I have of course - but wouldn't it be better for now to stay (figuratively) close and try to steward her in the right direction as best I can... and then dump her dumb ass?

CoronaBlocker · 25-08-2020 03:27PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

There is nothing that can be done in this situation. Parents are asked to self isolate on return from overseas travel. However there is no mechanism to enforce this and schools are obligated to accept the child / children into school.

Really? That's not great, is it? I didn't know that. Thank you.

CoronaBlocker · 25-08-2020 03:28PM

is_that_so wrote: »

No need to shop her. Encourage her to get the child tested and to stay home herself. If she won't, revisit your commitment to the relationship but they could all be negative anyway.

Fair and balanced. Thank you.

CertifiedSimp · 25-08-2020 03:34PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Or else we could assume school principals would have a wee bit of sense and realise that packing every pupil in their school into one hall isn't a great idea.

Its not rocket science.

Teachers very rarely show initiative or innovation. They're too used to going to the back of the book for answers.

iamwhoiam · 25-08-2020 03:38PM

I know some schools are back tomorrow and Thursday . I just want to wish all teachers here the best and I hope the schools can stay open and no huge surge stops them . Lets all hope the cases can be contained and tracking and tracing works tp do that .
We can only hope and keep trying to keep the community covid free so the school stay covid free too

khalessi · 25-08-2020 03:39PM

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

Teachers very rarely show initiative or innovation. They're too used to going to the back of the book for answers.

WHat a generalisation, do you troll often?

Warbeastrior · 25-08-2020 03:41PM

lulublue22 wrote:

There is nothing that can be done in this situation. Parents are asked to self isolate on return from overseas travel. However there is no mechanism to enforce this and schools are obligated to accept the child / children into school.

The schools are allowed to refuse the child.

CertifiedSimp · 25-08-2020 03:43PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I know some schools are back tomorrow and Thursday . I just want to wish all teachers here the best and I hope the schools can stay open and no huge surge stops them . Lets all hope the cases can be contained and tracking and tracing works tp do that .
We can only hope and keep trying to keep the community covid free so the school stay covid free too

The teachers are probably hoping for another lockdown so they don't have to work again.

lulublue22 · 25-08-2020 03:44PM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

The schools are allowed to refuse the child.

Can you point to where in the guidelines this is stipulated or outline where the dep have indicated schools have permission to refuse children who are not showing symptoms but have returned from overseas travel please.

CertifiedSimp · 25-08-2020 03:44PM

khalessi wrote: »

WHat a generalisation, do you troll often?

Of course it's a generalisation. You think I have met every single teacher in the country?

When people say "the irish are friendly", do I say that's a generalisation?

Warbeastrior · 25-08-2020 03:46PM

lulublue22 wrote:

Can you point to where in the guidelines this is stipulated or outline where the dep have indicated schools have permission to refuse children who are not showing symptoms but have returned from overseas travel please.

I dont know exactly where but Emma O'Kelly from RTE had it on Twitter a few days back.

JasonStatham · 25-08-2020 03:47PM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Ah lads, my girlfriend (of only a couple of months) is currently overseas on holiday (in a non-green-listed nation) with her two kids (one of primary school age. Upon return, to the best of my knowledge, she has no intention to quarantine and will be sending the child into school straight away.

I am very aware of all of the ethical breaches here. And I am suitably embarrassed to be associated with them. But I am also in a position of insight here. I was unable to change her mind about going - but I can still play a role...

I need to shop her, don't I? I can't knowingly, in all good conscience let her send her kid into school, can I?
Even if it spells the probable end to the relationship (I would imagine).

So who should I call? Who should I go to? Who handles this sort of situation?
I feel terrible about this. It's absolutely no fun. All advice appreciated.

You're duty is to tell her that she's an idiot.

khalessi · 25-08-2020 03:47PM

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

Of course it's a generalisation. You think I have met every single teacher in the country?

When people say "the irish are friendly", do I say that's a generalisation?

No but when you refer to teachers your posts are incorrect and rude.

Tokyo · 25-08-2020 03:48PM

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

The teachers are probably hoping for another lockdown so they don't have to work again.

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

Of course it's a generalisation. You think I have met every single teacher in the country?

When people say "the irish are friendly", do I say that's a generalisation?

Mod: Quit it with the generalizations then and discuss specific points.

kingbhome · 25-08-2020 03:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

No, because vaccines take a good bit of time to get out to the population overall plus you have births, migration, non-vaxxers etc. The WHO have suggested this crisis part of it will be over within two years.

Do you believe the WHO though. Most things they say, they say other not to long down the road.

What about the anti vaxxers if they don't get vaccinated in two years and everything gone back to normal. Although i can't see it ever being the Normal we knew. I think there'll be new vaccines every few years from now on.

kingbhome · 25-08-2020 03:51PM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Ah lads, my girlfriend (of only a couple of months) is currently overseas on holiday (in a non-green-listed nation) with her two kids (one of primary school age. Upon return, to the best of my knowledge, she has no intention to quarantine and will be sending the child into school straight away.

I am very aware of all of the ethical breaches here. And I am suitably embarrassed to be associated with them. But I am also in a position of insight here. I was unable to change her mind about going - but I can still play a role...

I need to shop her, don't I? I can't knowingly, in all good conscience let her send her kid into school, can I?
Even if it spells the probable end to the relationship (I would imagine).

So who should I call? Who should I go to? Who handles this sort of situation?
I feel terrible about this. It's absolutely no fun. All advice appreciated.

Would you not be best just staying out of your friends business. Not much of a friend if your into doing this on her

is_that_so · 25-08-2020 03:52PM

Report on first day for some schools.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0825/1161089-school-workers-unions/

Sunday Sunday · 25-08-2020 03:54PM

kingbhome wrote: »

Do you believe the WHO though. Most things they say, they say other not to long down the road.

What about the anti vaxxers if they don't get vaccinated in two years and everything gone back to normal. Although i can't see it ever being the Normal we knew. I think there'll be new vaccines every few years from now on.

I would take anything the WHO say with a pinch of salt. There was no pandemic according to them, when we all knew the writing was on the wall, we had a better chance at the beginning of the year to contain this but they wouldn't call it.

Everything from them since has been background noise as far as I'm concerned. It's like the organisation of no **** sherlock at this stage.

lulublue22 · 25-08-2020 03:55PM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

I dont know exactly where but Emma O'Kelly from RTE had it on Twitter a few days back.

The difficulty with that is that it is not outlined in any guidelines that I have seen. As such schools have no authority to refuse children unless clearly stipulated in the dep guidelines.

Warbeastrior · 25-08-2020 03:59PM

lulublue22 wrote:

The difficulty with that is that it is not outlined in any guidelines that I have seen. As such schools have no authority to refuse children unless clearly stipulated in the dep guidelines.

Are ya sure? I could be wrong but I'm almost sure it's in the departments guidelines somewhere.

lulublue22 · 25-08-2020 04:02PM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

Are ya sure? I could be wrong but I'm almost sure it's in the departments guidelines somewhere.

I would be around 95% certain it’s not but am open to correction and would be interested in nailing this down.

25-08-2020 04:04PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Report on first day for some schools.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0825/1161089-school-workers-unions/

That Principal in Carlow is a bit thick? If only we knew an Our Father and 3 Hail Mary's was the only vaccine we needed

Warbeastrior · 25-08-2020 04:05PM

lulublue22 wrote:

I would be around 95% certain itâ€™s not but am open to correction and would be interested in nailing this down.

Found the tweet where Emma O'Kelly contacted the department of education and they said they can turn away a child on reasonable grounds.

Can't post the link tho.

meeeeh · 25-08-2020 04:07PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

The difficulty with that is that it is not outlined in any guidelines that I have seen. As such schools have no authority to refuse children unless clearly stipulated in the dep guidelines.

i actually know of a teacher who is currently on a holiday in country with higher Corona rate than Ireland and plans to go to work as normal. While I think it's irresponsible there are always going to be breaches of regulations. we can only hope there won't be too many.

Sunday Sunday · 25-08-2020 04:15PM

meeeeh wrote: »

i actually know of a teacher who is currently on a holiday in country with higher Corona rate than Ireland and plans to go to work as normal. While I think it's irresponsible there are always going to be breaches of regulations. we can only hope there won't be too many.

Irresponsible indeed when they had the whole summer off and could have easily factored in a 2 week quarantine or maybe gone to one of the green list countries instead.

There's no excuse for non essential travel and then flouting the restrictions.

If they want to be known as the person who did this and what it will mean if they introduce covid to their school well then good luck to them, they'll be outed in no time.

Look at golf gate, people will find out.

egan2020 · 25-08-2020 04:18PM

PCros wrote: »

Just curious would the option of them eating in the classroom work?

This is what will be happening in my daughter's secondary school. Canteen is open between 7:45 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. for breakfast. I believe the school receives funding from DEASP for breakfasts for students. Otherwise canteen will not be open at break times. Students will be given a menu in advance and can pre-order before class starts and food must be consumed in the classroom after which they can go outside to an assigned area for some exercise.

smellyoldboot · 25-08-2020 04:54PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

We're doing the exact same. Also ETB

I'm curious to see how we're going to serve 300 juniors in the canteen during their 15 mins break.

The level of stupidity involved in this is astounding considering we sent our children to these places in the hope they come out the other side MORE intelligent.

lulublue22 · 25-08-2020 05:05PM

Warbeastrior wrote: »

Found the tweet where Emma O'Kelly contacted the department of education and they said they can turn away a child on reasonable grounds.

Can't post the link tho.

Found it there - to me it seems a clear indication of talking out of both sides of their mouths :rolleyes: Clearly contradicted the information sent to the school who queried it and not mentioned in the guidelines issued. I despair - I really do - is it too much to hope for some clarity for schools.

ETA - has been updated on gov.ie under frequently asked questions and yes it seems schools can refuse a pupil in that instance.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-08-2020 05:57PM

Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »

A vaccine or weeks without a single case in the country are the things that need to happen before looking at opening schools.

A vaccine could take years and years to materialise. I don't think people realise how long it could take. Sometimes a vaccine can be developed quickly but many fail at a late testing stage and then you're back to square one. It could also be years until there is no daily cases reported. We cannot have children out of school for years. Obviously.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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