How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

markodaly · 25-08-2020 01:26PM

Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »

Not so easy when grandparents do child-mining and drop-offs/pick ups or where they are living in the same house etc the former which is very common and the latter which is far from rare nowadays.

This also applies to teachers living at home not just where kids are involved.

What about all the vulnerable kids and parents, they can't just "avoid" contact.

Opening the schools is madness plain and simple, it should not be happening.

Hmmm, yesterday there was a swarm of teachers telling me "No one wants schools to remain closed"...

Exhibit 1,458 and counting folks!

hotmail.com · 25-08-2020 01:27PM

The school in Carlow brought 150 people into a room for a prayer service.

Is that principal a complete idiot?

NIMAN · 25-08-2020 01:29PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The school in Carlow brought 150 people into a room for a prayer service.

Is that principal a complete idiot?

Total idiot.

To pray to....for all the good that'll do.

Gerry Hatrick · 25-08-2020 01:30PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The school in Carlow brought 150 people into a room for a prayer service.

Is that principal a complete idiot?

Yes

meeeeh · 25-08-2020 01:30PM

Boggles wrote: »

Thanks for asking.

I have a grasp of basic fúcking maths and a self awareness to see a novel virus with no immunity only goes one way.

What are your credentials?

About the same as yours so nonexistent in relevant field. However people with a bit better credentials all over Europe including Ireland decided schools should reopen.

My ego is a bit less inflated though to make predictions like you do.

deiseindublin · 25-08-2020 01:30PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Total idiot.

To pray to....for all the good that'll do.

Was that reported in media?

wirelessdude01 · 25-08-2020 01:36PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The school in Carlow brought 150 people into a room for a prayer service.

Is that principal a complete idiot?

Hadn't heard about that. Where is it reported?

firemansam4 · 25-08-2020 01:36PM

markodaly wrote:

Again, this is the type of nonsensical soundbite from people who read the headline but not the substance of the article.

The news is actually good and positive, but as always there will be some that will want to turn it into a negative. Again, RTE's reporting sometimes is lacking.

Maybe you should take your own advice there about reading the article?

Actually I did read the article..

Quote from the article...

"That someone would pop up with a re-infection, it doesn't make me nervous," she said. "We have to see whether it happens often."

The Belgian patient had mild symptoms, the NOS cited virologist Marc Van Ranst as saying. But "it's not good news," he added"

No where it stated that this was in any way good news at all.

irishblessing · 25-08-2020 01:38PM

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Blended learning was given a fair shot and proved to be a failure mostly. Blended learning is not a magical solution (same way masks aren't either).

Eh, what blended learning? It existed, was given a fair shot, and FAILED? Are you actually living in Ireland?

25-08-2020 01:39PM

markodaly wrote: »

So one is on leave and wont be going to work and the two that are recovered will be going back to work. Sounds reasonable and will be repeated numerous times the world over, so nothing speciial there then.

The ASTI rep makes it out that there are teachers on deaths door, in the middle of treatment for Cancer 'forced' back to school. Scaremongering at its finest.

Medmark has most definitely been downgrading the serious nature of some teachers conditions from very high risk category, to high risk only, in order that they can be told to go back to work.

One person here has already posted that their 63 year old father who is in heart failure has been told he can return to work and a personal friend of mind who also has conditions which falls under very high risk has also been told to return to work. Totally unfair on them, and complete madness, imo.

These people are extremely vulnerable to Covid19 yet are being told they have to return to work in over crowded conditions, because schools "must" reopen.

meeeeh · 25-08-2020 01:39PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The school in Carlow brought 150 people into a room for a prayer service.

Is that principal a complete idiot?

Well praying obviously protects from Corona.

John_Rambo · 25-08-2020 01:40PM

Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »

Not so easy when grandparents do child-mining and drop-offs/pick ups or where they are living in the same house etc the former which is very common and the latter which is far from rare nowadays.

This also applies to teachers living at home not just where kids are involved.

What about all the vulnerable kids and parents, they can't just "avoid" contact.

Opening the schools is madness plain and simple, it should not be happening.

As I said, adults will have to behave like adults and look after their own affairs and keep elderly & vulnerable people safe. We've all had to make sacrifices and changes due to the pandemic.

bladespin · 25-08-2020 01:45PM

irishblessing wrote: »

Eh, what blended learning? It existed, was given a fair shot, and FAILED? Are you actually living in Ireland?

Certainly was not tried in my children's classes, they got a few on-line quizzes, sum total, nothing near what could have been tried.

25-08-2020 01:45PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Hadn't heard about that. Where is it reported?

I didn't believe it but here it is:

First year students began their first day at St Leo's College in Carlow town with a prayer service in a large assembly hall. The 152 students sat on chairs that had a one-metre distance between them.
The principal of the secondary school said she does not believe the school has been in contravention of government guidelines by gathering 152 students in a hall this morning on their first day back.

Welcoming students to the school, principal Niamh Broderick told them: "We are all in this together".

"We have followed all of the department guidelines. We did everything properly and safely," Ms Broderick told RTÉ News. "They were very well spaced out and sanitised on the way in and on the way out".

"It was very important to bring them together as a year group and all receive the same message, to celebrate with them, as a Catholic school, to emphasise that message to them."
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0825/1161089-school-workers-unions/

Jesus wept!

Mrsmum · 25-08-2020 01:45PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

What if your parents are the childcare? School finishes much earlier than work.
Grand parents have fulfilled that role for a long time.
All you need are a few who believe it’s not real and you are in trouble.

Those who have had grandparents as childcare previously were absolutely blessed. They must have saved themselves tons of money as well as having a beautiful set up. Lucky lucky people. But that isn't a good enough reason to decide the educational needs of the entire population of children.
The people I feel that have been wronged & abandoned in this whole thing are the teachers and pupils who have health concerns. There just should have been a plan for them and it is scandalous that there isn't. .

eviltwin · 25-08-2020 01:46PM

Just seen a school that had an assembly for 150 first years in their hall. I thought under current guidelines that this would not be allowed or are school events exempt? Anyone know?

bladespin · 25-08-2020 01:47PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Well praying obviously protects from Corona.

Well, the church itself gave up on mass during this, speaks volumes.

Blondini · 25-08-2020 01:47PM

I can sympathise with certain non-teachers here who don't understand the reality of life inside a school. I can also understand their frustration and feelings of inadequateness towards educated teachers. I can also understand their need for childcare and a break away from the children.

Despite this, it's going to end very soon and very badly.

caveat emptor · 25-08-2020 01:48PM

Not going well in Germany. It's an experiment.
Clear responsibility is ill defined so everyone has plausible deniability.

School principals write fire letters to the state government because of corona policy http://to.welt.de/mMZMyhV

Translated text.

https://twitter.com/welt/status/1298220273343365120?s=20

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article214237404/Vorwuerfe-in-NRW-Schulleiter-schreiben-wegen-Corona-Politik-Brandbrief-an-Landesregierung.html&prev=search

In North Rhine-Westphalia, two weeks after the start of school, school principals raise serious allegations against the state government's current school policy in dealing with the corona crisis. The school management association of the federal state (SLV NRW) has sent an open letter directly to Prime Minister Armin Laschet (CDU), as the news channel SWR first reported. The SLV speaks of a "field test" in schools.

The state's politics do not take into account the actual framework conditions of the schools. In the letter , the SLV complains that the highest school authority is relieving itself of its own responsibility. You hand over the entire responsibility to health authorities, school authorities and school administrators.

The headmaster's criticism is directed primarily against the responsible minister of education, Yvonne Gebauer (FDP). In an open letter at the start of school on August 11, the minister presented the protective measures for lessons that had been taken in view of the increased number of infections in North Rhine-Westphalia. The measures are strict. Secondary school students must also wear a mask in class. Teachers should ventilate regularly. The minimum distance must be observed throughout the school building.

The unions reckoned with at least ten percent missing teachers after the summer vacation. Why there are significantly fewer now
Why now there are fewer teachers in the risk group?

The school directors' association now speaks of a "sham participation".

Intermittent ventilation, distance and masking requirements are hardly achievable in everyday life, according to surveys of the headmasters of all school types.

The structural requirements for this are not in place at many schools, according to the fire letter. Parents receive the signal that the promises to learn at a distance are being implemented. The school administrators would have to organize the implementation themselves: “normal lessons” could not take place in this way.

The chairman of the school management association, Harald Willert, told the SWR: "We have received emails from school principals who report that windows have been welded shut or that the school administrators are unable to handle directors."

The Ministry of Education defended the concept and its implementation. It is "so broad that it offers the opportunity to respond appropriately to the development of the infection," the SWR quotes the ministry. According to the broadcaster, talks between school principals and state politics on the subject of infection protection are planned.

khalessi · 25-08-2020 01:49PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Those who have had grandparents as childcare previously were absolutely blessed. They must have saved themselves tons of money as well as having a beautiful set up. Lucky lucky people. But that isn't a good enough reason to decide the educational needs of the entire population of children.
The people I feel that have been wronged & abandoned in this whole thing are the teachers and pupils who have health concerns. There just should have been a plan for them and it is scandalous that there isn't. .

Agreed there should have been something set up for immunocompromised students or parents worried about send their kids to school. Also the ghost of Tusla should have been taken off them as well.

In regards to teachers, in no way should someone with very high risk illness confirmed by a consultant by downgraded by a gp who is not a specialist in that area.

NIMAN · 25-08-2020 01:49PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Hadn't heard about that. Where is it reported?

The principal herself was on the News at One.

CertifiedSimp · 25-08-2020 01:49PM

Well well well. I see lots of pictures of kids going back to school. Wonderful to see.

BUT I notice lots of photos taken outside school where the kids are lined up together (parents who are friends all wanting photos together)

All these parents talking about classrooms and yet the parents are happy to shove the kids on top of each other for a photograph. Think it might have been a loud minority complaining about the schools.

meeeeh · 25-08-2020 01:49PM

bladespin wrote: »

Well, the church itself gave up on mass during this, speaks volumes.

Well in fairness 3/4 of their workforce could be wiped out. That's just to big of a risk to leave it up to god to protect them.

vid36 · 25-08-2020 01:51PM

School assemblies should be out, it just shows inadequacies of the current advice and guidelines.

MerlinSouthDub · 25-08-2020 01:55PM

vid36 wrote: »

School assemblies should be out, it just shows inadequacies of the current advice and guidelines.

Really? A tiny modicum of common sense would be enough to tell you that you shouldn't put 150 people in one room. It hardly needs a guideline.

25-08-2020 01:56PM

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

People will have to source alternative childcare, nothing new to see here everyone has been taking personal precautions since March.

Healthcare and other essential workers have had to manage this all along.

Alternatives are not possible in most cases due to unavailability or the cost. Most kids in my area are looked after by grandparents it is by choice in most cases but even if alternatives were wanted they simply aren’t there even pre-Covid. There are one or two childminders all full and a small crèche booked out until 2021 (again pre covid).

John_Rambo wrote: »

As I said, adults will have to behave like adults and look after their own affairs and keep elderly & vulnerable people safe. We've all had to make sacrifices and changes due to the pandemic.

See above. The way to keep people safe is to keep the schools closed (along with all the current measures and I would argue much stricter measures are needed again in all areas of life).

Boggles · 25-08-2020 01:57PM

meeeeh wrote: »

My ego is a bit less inflated though to make predictions like you do.

Really?

Pretty meaty prediction below, which I have asked for a explanation behind your reasoning, which I note hasn't arrived yet.

meeeeh wrote: »

I hope something similar. However if prolonged closures will be necessary it won't be because of school reopening but because of other pressures on the system.

Listen I am actually an optimist when it comes to the pandemic, but a realist, I based all my opinions on science and what is happening elsewhere.

Forget about schools, and forget over a fifth of population will be put in a situation they have not been in since all this started, forget the 10s of millions of new interactions and movements that will entail.

Given our current trajectory and basing our numbers on what NPHET have said in the past, we are at the very best 6 - 8 weeks from further national restrictions.

The embers are starting to light, what we are doing in then next 2 weeks is dumping a truck load of petrol on them.

I said in April dumping the kids back in school come September will be the "plan" where the plan should have been how to keep the schools open in November / December/ January.

Again I am being super optimistic with the time line, I give it to mid November.

That's my honest opinion, feel free to book mark it and we will revisit when the time comes if you like.

firemansam4 · 25-08-2020 01:58PM

Blondini wrote:

I can sympathise with the non-teachers here who don't understand the reality of life inside a school. I can also understand their frustration and feelings of inadequateness towards educated teachers. I can also understand their need for childcare and a break away from the children.

Despite this, it's going to end very soon and very badly.

Yet you don't mention that many parents are also concerned about there children's education especially children with special needs.

But no I guess we are just all missing the free childcare and a break away from our children. That's what it's all really about...

NIMAN · 25-08-2020 01:58PM

vid36 wrote: »

School assemblies should be out, it just shows inadequacies of the current advice and guidelines.

Or else we could assume school principals would have a wee bit of sense and realise that packing every pupil in their school into one hall isn't a great idea.

Its not rocket science.

irishblessing · 25-08-2020 01:58PM

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

Well well well. I see lots of pictures of kids going back to school. Wonderful to see.

BUT I notice lots of photos taken outside school where the kids are lined up together (parents who are friends all wanting photos together)

All these parents talking about classrooms and yet the parents are happy to shove the kids on top of each other for a photograph. Think it might have been a loud minority complaining about the schools.

Well well well. Stupidity in action, who's shocked? There's always going to be both ends of the spectrum and everything in between. Seeing as how the criticism and vocal worry of the school reopening plan is absolutely everywhere in the news, radio, social media, etc, you can't claim it's a 'silent' minority.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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