How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

History Queen

khalessi wrote: »

I am stunned. Height of stupidity, I wonder was it mentioned to parents beforehand. And 70 staff goes over the 50 directive, doesn't it?

Yes the parents have been informed about the student assemblies

John_Rambo

John_Rambo wrote: »

Unacceptable. Elderly people are vulnerable to C-19. It can be very dangerous to them.

You obviously didn't see the part where I said there are no alternatives in most cases.

Also I see you have fallen in the "it only makes old people sick" mentality. This is a lethal virus to all ages with unknown long term effects to those who even have mild cases. I personally would not want exposing any child of mine to the much higher risk of contracting this virus by going to school and in turn infecting me, grandparents, people in shops etc etc

khalessi

History Queen wrote: »

Yes the parents have been informed about the student assemblies

Wow. HQ how do you feel about it?

meeeeh

History Queen wrote: »

Our year groups will all have separate assemblies. You're talking 120+ students per group.

Frankly I think that's ridiculous. I'm not that familiar with Irish system especially secondary level but when I was in secondary school we had very few assemblies. We just had intercom system for announcements and if meals are provided they can be packed and a few kids from class can collect them. and that was before any Corona.

Sunday Sunday

Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »

You obviously didn't see the part where I said there are no alternatives in most cases.

Also I see you have fallen in the "it only makes old people sick" mentality. This is a lethal virus to all ages with unknown long term effects to those who even have mild cases. I personally would not want exposing any child of mine to the much higher risk of contracting this virus by going to school and in turn infecting me, grandparents, people in shops etc etc

If you can't source alternative childcare and you decide personally that you can't in good conscience use grandparents as childcare then that leaves the option to leave the workplace until one of these things changes.

Would you believe lots of people have already had to make difficult decisions when it comes to protecting family members, arranging childcare or resigning their positions. Again this is nothing new, it's not just an obstacle from September.

There are always alternatives and personal choice. Nobody is being forced to do anything.

History Queen

khalessi wrote: »

Wow. HQ how do you feel about it?

I won't be back myself but have sent an email outlining my concerns and offering an alternative of staff doing subject dept meetings together (socially distant groups no bigger than 6) and video call as a department in to the staff meeting.

I also suggested principal address year groups via video link to class groups so students could still hear assembly but would instead be in classroom with their classgroup as they will be every other day. I await a reply.

khalessi

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

If you can't source alternative childcare and you decide personally that you can't in good conscience use grandparents as childcare then that leaves the option to leave the workplace until one of these things changes.

Would you believe lots of people have already had to make difficult decisions when it comes to protecting family members, arranging childcare or resigning their positions. Again this is nothing new, it's not just an obstacle from September.

There are always alternatives and personal choice. Nobody is being forced to do anything.

It is interesting though that nobody objected to when those people voiced their worries but in piles people making remarks like above. I remember HCW making the same comments. Would you like to go chastise them?

PCros

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

We're doing the exact same. Also ETB

I'm curious to see how we're going to serve 300 juniors in the canteen during their 15 mins break.

Just curious would the option of them eating in the classroom work?

jimmytwotimes 2013

PCros wrote: »

Just curious would the option of them eating in the classroom work?

It wud be preferable, wud pose a supervision challenge alright but not insurmountable. It's not being entertained as an option in our place anyway

History Queen

meeeeh wrote: »

Frankly I think that's ridiculous. I'm not that familiar with Irish system especially secondary level but when I was in secondary school we had very few assemblies. We just had intercom system for announcements and if meals are provided they can be packed and a few kids from class can collect them. and that was before any Corona.

You're talking 350+ students at a time. There's only 15 mins for small break. I'm not sure what is a workable alternative to be honest.

John_Rambo

Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »

You obviously didn't see the part where I said there are no alternatives in most cases.

As you said yourself to other parents in a similar bind "find a way" for the sake of the grandparents.

Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »

Also I see you have fallen in the "it only makes old people sick" mentality. This is a lethal virus to all ages with unknown long term effects to those who even have mild cases. I personally would not want exposing any child of mine to the much higher risk of contracting this virus by going to school and in turn infecting me, grandparents, people in shops etc etc

I never said it only makes old people sick, you did. I said old people are vulnerable. And they are, if you've been following things properly you'll know this.

Over 65s account for almost 92% of confirmed deaths occurred within this age group in the period from 11 March 2020 up to 15 May 2020. The data also shows that in the 0-44 age cohort there were 17 deaths.

Keep up, do a bit of research before posting. You've been diluting threads with misinformation, confusion, gossip and barstool talk since day one.

We have to learn to live with this until there's a vaccine Nox, ignorance was acceptable and amusing pre Covid, now it's dangerous.

khalessi

History Queen wrote: »

I won't be back myself but have sent an email outlining my concerns and offering an alternative of staff doing subject dept meetings together (socially distant groups no bigger than 6) and video call as a department in to the staff meeting.

I also suggested principal address year groups via video link to class groups so students could still hear assembly but would instead be in classroom with their classgroup as they will be every other day. I await a reply.

Makes more sense. Hopefully they take up your suggestions.

markodaly

firemansam4 wrote: »

Maybe you should take your own advice there about reading the article?

Actually I did read the article..

Quote from the article...

"That someone would pop up with a re-infection, it doesn't make me nervous," she said. "We have to see whether it happens often."

The Belgian patient had mild symptoms, the NOS cited virologist Marc Van Ranst as saying. But "it's not good news," he added"

No where it stated that this was in any way good news at all.

There is a thread here about.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058107289

In summary, it appears that those who were reinfected again showed fewer symptoms and were more resilient to the virus the second time around.

The case in HK showed that the man was infected by a different strain but still managed to fight off the virus the second time, easily enough, meaning that being infected DOES seem to help against future infections.

Again, these are a few isolated cases and could well be rare as most people who are infected do not get infected again. Until there is more data out, we do not know the full story. Anyhow, scaremongering is not worth it in this situation.

kingbhome

Can anyone tell me about the new laws/guidelines concerning kids with face masks and the law in school. I'm reading conflicting things all over the internet and don't know which to believe!

Sunday Sunday

khalessi wrote: »

It is interesting though that nobody objected to when those people voiced their worries but in piles people making remarks like above. I remember HCW making the same comments. Would you like to go chastise them?

Healthcare workers who found themselves needing childcare at the height of a pandemic were left high and dry with no notice.

They had to make arrangements and choices for themselves, which they did.

Some of them were taking care of covid patients all day and returning home to their families.

Complaining that grandparents will be at risk because they do school pick ups and that there are no alternatives.

There are always alternatives, nobody is forced to have grandparents do childcare, nobody is forced to go to work.

Not ideal but there are tough choices for people to make.

History Queen

kingbhome wrote: »

Can anyone tell me about the new laws/guidelines concerning kids with face masks and the law in school. I'm reading conflicting things all over the internet and don't know which to believe!

Our school (post primary) is making mask wearing mandatory for all. The Dept guidelines on reopening schools (available at education.ie) require mask wearing at post primary where social distancing cannot be maintained.

kingbhome

John_Rambo wrote: »

As you said yourself to other parents in a similar bind "find a way" for the sake of the grandparents.



I never said it only makes old people sick, you did. I said old people are vulnerable. And they are, if you've been following things properly you'll know this.

Over 65s account for almost 92% of confirmed deaths occurred within this age group in the period from 11 March 2020 up to 15 May 2020. The data also shows that in the 0-44 age cohort there were 17 deaths.

Keep up, do a bit of research before posting. You've been diluting threads with misinformation, confusion, gossip and barstool talk since day one.

We have to learn to live with this until there's a vaccine Nox, ignorance was acceptable and amusing pre Covid, now it's dangerous.

Has there ever been a vaccine that has eradicated a virus though in such a short time if at all

caveat emptor

Very good principal detailing the issues on Liveline.

The fact 1m doesn't equal 2m.

"Department are shirking their responsibility"

This is key. Who is responsible for the welfare of the children.
Who decides what is actually "safe"

Normally it's the health and safety authority.

khalessi

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Healthcare workers who found themselves needing childcare at the height of a pandemic were left high and dry with no notice.

They had to make arrangements and choices for themselves, which they did.

Some of them were taking care of covid patients all day and returning home to their families.

Complaining that grandparents will be at risk because they do school pick ups and that there are no alternatives.

There are always alternatives, nobody is forced to have grandparents do childcare, nobody is forced to go to work.

Not ideal but there are tough choices for people to make.

They also voiced their concerns online befoere being able to make arrangements so I presume you told them to suck it up, in your previous incarnation. People are allowed voice their concerns without you jumping on them for it, a little kindness goes along way.

Boggles

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Healthcare workers who found themselves needing childcare at the height of a pandemic were left high and dry with no notice.

Indeed, the government promised them childcare, without consulting the childcare providers.

Round and Round we go.

Sunday Sunday

kingbhome wrote: »

Has there ever been a vaccine that has eradicated a virus though in such a short time if at all

See swine flu pandemic 2009, two vaccines were developed Pandemrix and Celvapan. Neither of which have been used in this country since 2011.

The vaccines were developed in record time (6 months I think and not without problems), swine flu still in circulation today, so was never fully eradicated but I believe its covered in the seasonal flu jab now.

That "pandemic" lasted about 18 months. Some (mostly children) of the vaccine recipients developed narcolepsy followed by lots of legal cases.

meeeeh

History Queen wrote: »

You're talking 350+ students at a time. There's only 15 mins for small break. I'm not sure what is a workable alternative to be honest.

I don't think so. Meals can be pre ordered and prepacked. Couple of pupils can collect them and distrbute around class. (That's how my primary school did it and I think break was about 10 minutes. The kids in charge of meal went to collectthem 10 or so minutesbefore the break). There are also outside businesses that do packed school meals. That's if the meals are the problem. Everyone can bring their own drinks.

John_Rambo

kingbhome wrote: »

Has there ever been a vaccine that has eradicated a virus though in such a short time if at all

I don't think so, that's why we have to live with it and protect the vulnerable.

History Queen

meeeeh wrote: »

I don't think so. Meals can be pre ordered and prepacked. Couple of pupils can collect them and distrbute around class. (That's how my primary school did it and I think break was about 10 minutes. The kids in charge of meal went to collectthem 10 or so minutesbefore the break). There are also outside businesses that do packed school meals. That's if the meals are the problem. Everyone can bring their own drinks.

Ya the meals have to be provided. We have a large population of disadvantaged students. I know alternatives were looked in to such as students staying in classrooms/staggering break times by year group but it was found to be unworkable (I'm not sure why I wasn't on the committee involved). So the compromise qas two different break times one for senior cycle, one for junior cycle. The fact that we are running two different timetables this year (times staggered 15 mins apart all day to reduce corridor congestion) might be why stationery classrooms for eating break won't work, but again, I'm not sure.

is_that_so

kingbhome wrote: »

Has there ever been a vaccine that has eradicated a virus though in such a short time if at all

No, because vaccines take a good bit of time to get out to the population overall plus you have births, migration, non-vaxxers etc. The WHO have suggested this crisis part of it will be over within two years.

CoronaBlocker

Ah lads, my girlfriend (of only a couple of months) is currently overseas on holiday (in a non-green-listed nation) with her two kids (one of primary school age. Upon return, to the best of my knowledge, she has no intention to quarantine and will be sending the child into school straight away.

I am very aware of all of the ethical breaches here. And I am suitably embarrassed to be associated with them. But I am also in a position of insight here. I was unable to change her mind about going - but I can still play a role...

I need to shop her, don't I? I can't knowingly, in all good conscience let her send her kid into school, can I?
Even if it spells the probable end to the relationship (I would imagine).

So who should I call? Who should I go to? Who handles this sort of situation?
I feel terrible about this. It's absolutely no fun. All advice appreciated.

drunkmonkey

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Ah lads, my girlfriend (of only a couple of months) is currently overseas on holiday (in a non-green-listed nation) with her two kids (one of primary school age. Upon return, to the best of my knowledge, she has no intention to quarantine and will be sending the child into school straight away.

I am very aware of all of the ethical breaches here. And I am suitably embarrassed to be associated with them. But I am also in a position of insight here. I was unable to change her mind about going - but I can still play a role...

I need to shop her, don't I? I can't knowingly, in all good conscience let her send her kid into school, can I?
Even if it spells the probable end to the relationship (I would imagine).

So who should I call? Who should I go to? Who handles this sort of situation?
I feel terrible about this. It's absolutely no fun. All advice appreciated.

Have you thought of dumping her dumb ass.

lulublue22

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Ah lads, my girlfriend (of only a couple of months) is currently overseas on holiday (in a non-green-listed nation) with her two kids (one of primary school age. Upon return, to the best of my knowledge, she has no intention to quarantine and will be sending the child into school straight away.

I am very aware of all of the ethical breaches here. And I am suitably embarrassed to be associated with them. But I am also in a position of insight here. I was unable to change her mind about going - but I can still play a role...

I need to shop her, don't I? I can't knowingly, in all good conscience let her send her kid into school, can I?
Even if it spells the probable end to the relationship (I would imagine).

So who should I call? Who should I go to? Who handles this sort of situation?
I feel terrible about this. It's absolutely no fun. All advice appreciated.

There is nothing that can be done in this situation. Parents are asked to self isolate on return from overseas travel. However there is no mechanism to enforce this and schools are obligated to accept the child / children into school.

is_that_so

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Ah lads, my girlfriend (of only a couple of months) is currently overseas on holiday (in a non-green-listed nation) with her two kids (one of primary school age. Upon return, to the best of my knowledge, she has no intention to quarantine and will be sending the child into school straight away.

I am very aware of all of the ethical breaches here. And I am suitably embarrassed to be associated with them. But I am also in a position of insight here. I was unable to change her mind about going - but I can still play a role...

I need to shop her, don't I? I can't knowingly, in all good conscience let her send her kid into school, can I?
Even if it spells the probable end to the relationship (I would imagine).

So who should I call? Who should I go to? Who handles this sort of situation?
I feel terrible about this. It's absolutely no fun. All advice appreciated.

No need to shop her. Encourage her to get the child tested and to stay home herself. If she won't, revisit your commitment to the relationship but they could all be negative anyway.

caveat emptor

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Ah lads, my girlfriend (of only a couple of months) is currently overseas on holiday (in a non-green-listed nation) with her two kids (one of primary school age. Upon return, to the best of my knowledge, she has no intention to quarantine and will be sending the child into school straight away.

I am very aware of all of the ethical breaches here. And I am suitably embarrassed to be associated with them. But I am also in a position of insight here. I was unable to change her mind about going - but I can still play a role...

I need to shop her, don't I? I can't knowingly, in all good conscience let her send her kid into school, can I?
Even if it spells the probable end to the relationship (I would imagine).

So who should I call? Who should I go to? Who handles this sort of situation?
I feel terrible about this. It's absolutely no fun. All advice appreciated.