Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Truthvader · 23-08-2020 12:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Maybe read it? It mentions quite a few in the first few pages.

Maybe just itemise one

markodaly · 23-08-2020 01:07PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You really struggle with this. I make no exception. All of the violence was wrong from the start.

But went to great lengths to try and justify the murder of a 3-year-old toddler as if it helped a Nationalist in Derry, something something...

markodaly · 23-08-2020 01:10PM

Pkiernan wrote: »

Will Gerry tell MLMD to boot this moron from the party?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-councillor-apologises-over-lanzarote-holiday-39470068.html

She wouldnt get a refund, so went on holiday anyway.

:)

Monaghan county councillor Cathy Bennett has confirmed she travelled to the Spanish island of Lanzarote from July 29 to August 9, saying she took the family holiday because she was unable to get a refund from the airline.

markodaly · 23-08-2020 01:16PM

MoN and NI SF, having to back down on this one following a court ruling.

https://extra.ie/2020/08/21/news/politics/michelle-oneill-compensation-fund-troubles-victims

Northern Ireland’s Deputy First Minister Michelle O’Neill has agreed to progress a compensation pension scheme for victims of the Trouble following a High court ruling on Friday.

The judge ruled that the Northern Ireland Executive Office deliberately and unlawfully refused to advance the compensation scheme.

Ms O’Neill has now agreed to nominate a Stormont department to take responsibility for it.

maccored · 23-08-2020 03:04PM

markodaly wrote: »

MoN and NI SF, having to back down on this one following a court ruling.

https://extra.ie/2020/08/21/news/politics/michelle-oneill-compensation-fund-troubles-victims

and ... ?

jm08 · 23-08-2020 03:14PM

Superfoods wrote: »

Thrown in jail and never released

Do you mean like what Stalin would have done. Wouldn't Fine Gael only love to get back to their fascist origins.

Edgware · 23-08-2020 03:57PM

maccored wrote: »

and ... ?

It justs shows the type of ***** that there are in Sinn Fein. They are trying to say that a poor woman who lost both legs in one of their sectarian bombings should not get compensation unless one of their dirtbirds who blew himself up with his own bomb gets it

FrancieBrady · 23-08-2020 04:25PM

markodaly wrote: »

But went to great lengths to try and justify the murder of a 3-year-old toddler as if it helped a Nationalist in Derry, something something...

Where did I justify it mark?

Just because you cannot understand an answer does not make you correct on this.

So please post where I justified it.

Truthvader · 23-08-2020 04:43PM

jm08 wrote: »

Do you mean like what Stalin would have done. Wouldn't Fine Gael only love to get back to their fascist origins.

Are you on drugs? Expecting convicted crominals to serve their sentences is nothing to do with Stalinism. Maybe have an early night

FrancieBrady · 23-08-2020 05:08PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Are you on drugs? Expecting convicted crominals to serve their sentences is nothing to do with Stalinism. Maybe have an early night

There was a 'negotiated' settlement/agreement. Nothing unusual when you accept that a conflict/war has taken place and accept that a truce has been called that prisoner releases are negotiated. Again no side had to admit to doing the wrong thing. None of them...they all got prisoner releases.

If you wish to argue an anti GFA position that is fine, if not, I think it is high time you read the thing and how it was arrived at, because you just sound uninformed and silly.

Truthvader · 23-08-2020 08:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There was a 'negotiated' settlement/agreement. Nothing unusual when you accept that a conflict/war has taken place and accept that a truce has been called that prisoner releases are negotiated. Again no side had to admit to doing the wrong thing. None of them...they all got prisoner releases.

If you wish to argue an anti GFA position that is fine, if not, I think it is high time you read the thing and how it was arrived at, because you just sound uninformed and silly.

Really? Still waiting for the Sinn Fein /IRA fountain of all wisdom and knowledge to itemise one "right" contained in the GFA that was not available before the GFA. Lets see who turns out to be "uninformed and silly" - or just plain duplicitous

jm08 · 23-08-2020 09:03PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Really? Still waiting for the Sinn Fein /IRA fountain of all wisdom and knowledge to itemise one "right" contained in the GFA that was not available before the GFA. Lets see who turns out to be "uninformed and silly" - or just plain duplicitous

Well, for one thing there was prisoner release which you seem very vexed over:)

Truthvader · 23-08-2020 09:06PM

jm08 wrote: »

Well, for one thing there was prisoner release which you seem very vexed over:)

Would you read my original post from 12.55 before replying, Einstein

end of the road · 23-08-2020 09:34PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Really? Still waiting for the Sinn Fein /IRA fountain of all wisdom and knowledge to itemise one "right" contained in the GFA that was not available before the GFA. Lets see who turns out to be "uninformed and silly" - or just plain duplicitous

catholics right to be treated equally rather then second class citizens was enshrined finally.

FrancieBrady · 23-08-2020 09:36PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Really? Still waiting for the Sinn Fein /IRA fountain of all wisdom and knowledge to itemise one "right" contained in the GFA that was not available before the GFA. Lets see who turns out to be "uninformed and silly" - or just plain duplicitous

(vi) recognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to
identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they
may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both
British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would
not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.

Like how un-informed do you have to be?

Truthvader · 23-08-2020 09:42PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

(vi) recognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to
identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they
may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both
British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would
not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.

Like how un-informed do you have to be?

Like............, that "right" was already there and many held both passports long before GFA

Try again

FrancieBrady · 23-08-2020 09:50PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Like............, that "right" was already there and many held both passports long before GFA

Try again

Where was that 'right'...link to the document please. If you had an Irish passport it was because our government gave it to you under our constitution.

Where in writing did the British give the right?

markodaly · 23-08-2020 11:57PM

Edgware wrote: »

It justs shows the type of ***** that there are in Sinn Fein. They are trying to say that a poor woman who lost both legs in one of their sectarian bombings should not get compensation unless one of their dirtbirds who blew himself up with his own bomb gets it

The clue is in the name, victims compensation.

In the SF world, the bomber and child killer is entitled to the same as an innocent bystander. That is the sick world SF live in and they used their position in the assembly to block this.

Until a judge has declared they were acting unlawfully.

Sure everyone is a 'good' republican, they moved heaven and earth for that scutter Bobby Storey, a common criminal and an abuser of women.

jm08 · 24-08-2020 06:19AM

markodaly wrote: »

The clue is in the name, victims compensation.

In the SF world, the bomber and child killer is entitled to the same as an innocent bystander. That is the sick world SF live in and they used their position in the assembly to block this.

Until a judge has declared they were acting unlawfully.

Sure everyone is a 'good' republican, they moved heaven and earth for that scutter Bobby Storey, a common criminal and an abuser of women.

From what I understand that there was meant to be no hierarchy of victims a according to what was agreed in the GFA. The British Government changed the legislation so that former paramilitaries would not be compensated, but British Securities forces would be 3ven if they committed illegal acts (like shooting dead of people in Derry on Bloody Sunday).

This is how the British State works. Can't stick to agreements and are untrustworthy. Perfidious Albion at work here.

Truthvader · 24-08-2020 07:47AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where was that 'right'...link to the document please. If you had an Irish passport it was because our government gave it to you under our constitution.

Where in writing did the British give the right?

Still twisting and wriggling. AGAIN what right did the GFA secure that was not available before. Shifting the goalpost to pretend that anyone asked for a "document" is a typical Sinn Fein slippery tactic - particularly when Britain has no written constitution.

You initial point was that the GFA secured the right to dual citizenship. You were caught out on that. The "right" to wear brown shoes, hang out your washing on a Sunday and to watch telly after midnight were all available pre the GFA but are not recited in any document

Truthvader · 24-08-2020 07:50AM

jm08 wrote: »

From what I understand that there was meant to be no hierarchy of victims a according to what was agreed in the GFA. The British Government changed the legislation so that former paramilitaries would not be compensated, but British Securities forces would be 3ven if they committed illegal acts (like shooting dead of people in Derry on Bloody Sunday).

This is how the British State works. Can't stick to agreements and are untrustworthy. Perfidious Albion at work here.

From what every normal person "understands" a scumbag who destroys himself in the act of murdering innocent people is not a "victim". Not aware the murderers in the Parachute regiment were seeking compensation

Edgware · 24-08-2020 07:51AM

jm08 wrote: »

From what I understand that there was meant to be no hierarchy of victims a according to what was agreed in the GFA. The British Government changed the legislation so that former paramilitaries would not be compensated, but British Securities forces would be 3ven if they committed illegal acts (like shooting dead of people in Derry on Bloody Sunday).

This is how the British State works. Can't stick to agreements and are untrustworthy. Perfidious Albion at work here.

" hierarchy of victims" Typical Blair ****e talk to
get the deal across the line

How is a dirtbird that blows himself up or is shot during an attack a victim?
Mascara Michelle and the rest thought that they could bully the British into forking out more readies to the injured Provo scum.
Not from this Government. No chance

zoobizoo · 24-08-2020 12:00PM

Edgware wrote: »

" hierarchy of victims"

That's the line spouted by SF constantly.

Other than SF - who else brings this up?

From TD John Brady's facebook page a few years ago:

"Thinking of brave volunteer Ed O'Brien who paid the ultimate sacrifice for Irish Freedom on this day in 1996. Its (sic) hard to believe its (sic) 17 years since you left us, although you are gone, you will never be forgotten and we will realise the Republic that you fought for".

Now, Ed O'Brien blew himself up while carrying an explosive device on a bus in London.

From Wiki: "During a police search of his London address 15 kg of semtex, 20 timers, 4 detonators and ammunition for a 9mm Walther revolver were discovered, along with an incendiary device. The Walther pistol was discovered on him after his death.[2][6] The inquest into his death heard that O'Brien was likely responsible for a planting a similar bomb in a London telephone box on 15 February, but it was later deactivated by the police.[2]"

"two passengers and the driver (left permanently deaf) were injured in the explosion"

Try to work out that hierarchy!

markodaly · 24-08-2020 02:54PM

jm08 wrote: »

From what I understand ..

You understand wrong and the NI courts have ruled on this.

SF have relented and are scurrying away into the night.

jm08 · 24-08-2020 03:50PM

markodaly wrote: »

You understand wrong and the NI courts have ruled on this.

SF have relented and are scurrying away into the night.

They haven't scurried away. They are obeying a court order. The bottom line is that the British Government changed the legislation to suit their agenda.

All that it shows is that the British Gov. doesn't give a ****e about Northern Ireland and what happens to it.

jm08 · 24-08-2020 03:52PM

zoobizoo wrote: »

That's the line spouted by SF constantly.

Other than SF - who else brings this up?

From TD John Brady's facebook page a few years ago:

"Thinking of brave volunteer Ed O'Brien who paid the ultimate sacrifice for Irish Freedom on this day in 1996. Its (sic) hard to believe its (sic) 17 years since you left us, although you are gone, you will never be forgotten and we will realise the Republic that you fought for".

Now, Ed O'Brien blew himself up while carrying an explosive device on a bus in London.

From Wiki: "During a police search of his London address 15 kg of semtex, 20 timers, 4 detonators and ammunition for a 9mm Walther revolver were discovered, along with an incendiary device. The Walther pistol was discovered on him after his death.[2][6] The inquest into his death heard that O'Brien was likely responsible for a planting a similar bomb in a London telephone box on 15 February, but it was later deactivated by the police.[2]"

"two passengers and the driver (left permanently deaf) were injured in the explosion"

Try to work out that hierarchy!

If he is dead, how would he be getting a disability pension?

zoobizoo · 24-08-2020 04:31PM

jm08 wrote: »

If he is dead, how would he be getting a disability pension?

I didn't mention a pension.

Had he survived with injuries, are SF saying that he would deserve a disability pension similar to the people whose lives he destroyed?

Pity Brady didn't think about those innocent victims before posting.

Edgware · 24-08-2020 06:03PM

jm08 wrote: »

If he is dead, how would he be getting a disability pension?

"If" The crows spent weeks feeding off his parts blown around London

JohnnyFlash · 24-08-2020 06:20PM

zoobizoo wrote: »

That's the line spouted by SF constantly.

Other than SF - who else brings this up?

From TD John Brady's facebook page a few years ago:

"Thinking of brave volunteer Ed O'Brien who paid the ultimate sacrifice for Irish Freedom on this day in 1996. Its (sic) hard to believe its (sic) 17 years since you left us, although you are gone, you will never be forgotten and we will realise the Republic that you fought for".

Now, Ed O'Brien blew himself up while carrying an explosive device on a bus in London.

From Wiki: "During a police search of his London address 15 kg of semtex, 20 timers, 4 detonators and ammunition for a 9mm Walther revolver were discovered, along with an incendiary device. The Walther pistol was discovered on him after his death.[2][6] The inquest into his death heard that O'Brien was likely responsible for a planting a similar bomb in a London telephone box on 15 February, but it was later deactivated by the police.[2]"

"two passengers and the driver (left permanently deaf) were injured in the explosion"

Try to work out that hierarchy!

I don't think a lot of people realise the type of Republic the Shinners are angling for. They seem to think it just involves sticking on the 6 counties and continuing as normal. That isn't what they advocate. You won't hear them speak about it much, but what they want is to completely disband the current Irish Republic, and create a new 32 county socialist republic with a new constitution.

Like how you don't hear the Socialist Party admitting their eventual goal is a pan-island Trotskyite communist state with the leadership calling the shots for the workers paradise from London.

jm08 · 24-08-2020 07:19PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I don't think a lot of people realise the type of Republic the Shinners are angling for. They seem to think it just involves sticking on the 6 counties and continuing as normal. That isn't what they advocate. You won't hear them speak about it much, but what they want is to completely disband the current Irish Republic, and create a new 32 county socialist republic with a new constitution.

Like how you don't hear the Socialist Party admitting their eventual goal is a pan-island Trotskyite communist state with the leadership calling the shots for the workers paradise from London.

And you know this how? Whats with the New Constitution. Do the citizens of this new republic get to approve it in a referendum and is it going to be a communist state with Mary Lou as dictator?

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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