Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Truthvader · 21-08-2020 11:12PM

jh79 wrote: »

What does it matter what local knowledge says about Quinn?. Are you suggesting that SF can associate with murderers as long as the victim is a criminal?

Francie is happy enough with murder so long as it is "authorised" . In fact once Gerry or Slab authorises it it is not really murder at all.

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 11:12PM

jh79 wrote: »

What does it matter what local knowledge says about Quinn?. Are you suggesting that SF can associate with murderers as long as the victim is a criminal?

If local knowledge is correct it validates what Bertie was told, what the IMC says and what Connor Murphy said.
Peculiar that you want to accept one bit of local knowledge and not another bit.
Similar to those who accept the allegation that Adams was responsible for Jean McConville's death but not the allegation that she was an informer from the SAME source.

The murder is still a vicious and terrible act, it was IMO a criminal act. If those who are alleged to have done it are embedded deeply in SF and are directing the party...then there is a problem.

I don't think they are.

Edgware · 21-08-2020 11:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Papers said 14 people in Derry were in the RA and deserved to be shot once as well jh79...be careful about the papers.

I suspect he did it, local knowledge said he did, but then local knowledge has things to say about Quinn too.

Have you got your pencil case and markers ready for school next week?
You will do well in the remedial class group

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 11:26PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Francie is happy enough with murder so long as it is "authorised" . In fact once Gerry or Slab authorises it it is not really murder at all.

Edgware wrote: »

Have you got your pencil case and markers ready for school next week?
You will do well in the remedial class group

All of you need to work out how YOU comply with the GFA.

You cannot exclude anymore...neither Unionist, Republican, nor anyone else.
We agreed as two sovereign countries and as most political parties (except the DUP) to bring people into the democratic fold if they stick to the principles of the GFA,
I am happy with the official reports that the party I voted for had honoured their commitments when I voted for them.

21-08-2020 11:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If local knowledge is correct it validates what Bertie was told, what the IMC says and what Connor Murphy said.
Peculiar that you want to accept one bit of local knowledge and not another bit.
Similar to those who accept the allegation that Adams was responsible for Jean McConville's death but not the allegation that she was an informer from the SAME source.

The murder is still a vicious and terrible act, it was IMO a criminal act. If those who are alleged to have done it are embedded deeply in SF and are directing the party...then there is a problem.

I don't think they are.

I have never said PQ wasn't involved in criminality. If you can find a post that says otherwise quote it. I've always said it was irrelevant.

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 11:38PM

jh79 wrote: »

I have never said PQ wasn't involved in criminality. If you can find a post that says otherwise quote it. I've always said it was irrelevant.

Not sure what that means as a reply.

21-08-2020 11:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All of you need to work out how YOU comply with the GFA.

You cannot exclude anymore...neither Unionist, Republican, nor anyone else.
We agreed as two sovereign countries and as most political parties (except the DUP) to bring people into the democratic fold if they stick to the principles of the GFA,
I am happy with the official reports that the party I voted for had honoured their commitments when I voted for them.

Problem is Francie, that as long as the murders are not followed by a letter to An Pobalcht by P O Neil you're ok with that no matter how strong the links to SF party member.

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 11:47PM

jh79 wrote: »

Problem is Francie, that as long as the murders are not followed by a letter to An Pobalcht by P O Neil you're ok with that no matter how strong the links to SF party members.

Is An Phoblacht still a thing? It used be sold every weekend for year.s around the pubs..I can assure you that in almost 60yrs of my life I have never paid for a copy. Although I will admit to having read it a few times out of interest.

What you point is I don't know.

21-08-2020 11:52PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is An Phoblacht still a thing? It used be sold every weekend for year...I can assure you that in almost 60yrs of my life I have never paid for a copy. Although I will admit to having read it a few times out of interest.

What you point is I don't know.

My point is how do you know what is an approved murder?

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 11:55PM

jh79 wrote: »

My point is how do you know what is an approved murder?

What?

22-08-2020 12:02AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What?

We'll continue this tomorrow. I'm a little drunk. So gonna bow out

Truthvader · 22-08-2020 10:30AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All of you need to work out how YOU comply with the GFA.

You cannot exclude anymore...neither Unionist, Republican, nor anyone else.
We agreed as two sovereign countries and as most political parties (except the DUP) to bring people into the democratic fold if they stick to the principles of the GFA,
I am happy with the official reports that the party I voted for had honoured their commitments when I voted for them.

What is this bullcrap? You supported Sinn Fein IRA all the way GFA or no GFA. If they decided in the morning that one more bomb was required to extort some new advantage you would happily be posting here about it being " regrettable but....." Like you servile support for Warrington sure it might "bring someone to the table" And sure the odd extra murder can always be dodged or denied as "not authorised" or whatever.

FrancieBrady · 22-08-2020 10:34AM

Truthvader wrote: »

What is this bullcrap? You supported Sinn Fein IRA all the way GFA or no GFA. If they decided in the morning that one more bomb was required to extort some new advantage you would happily be posting here about it being " regrettable but....." Like you servile support for Warrington sure it might "bring someone to the table" And sure the odd extra murder can always be dodged or denied as "not authorised" or whatever.

Lies.

I didn't vote for SF until I was happy that they were living up to their commitments.
I never supported the IRA, ever.

Truthvader · 22-08-2020 11:58AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Lies.

I didn't vote for SF until I was happy that they were living up to their commitments.
I never supported the IRA, ever.

I invite all to go into your posting history and decide for themselves who you support and what you are prepared to excuse and justify

FrancieBrady · 22-08-2020 12:00PM

Truthvader wrote: »

I invite all to go into your posting history and decide for themselves who you support and what you are prepared to excuse and justify

What have I justified?

Truthvader · 22-08-2020 12:28PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What have I justified?

Invitation to review your posting history repeated

FrancieBrady · 22-08-2020 12:33PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Invitation to review your posting history repeated

So again, you cannot back up a claim you have made.

I have consistently said in that 'posting history' that all the violence was wrong and unjustified from the start.

markodaly · 22-08-2020 03:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I never supported the IRA, ever.

So you condem all their murders, killings, bombings, punishment beatings and their kangaroo courts?

FrancieBrady · 22-08-2020 04:14PM

markodaly wrote: »

So you condem all their murders, killings, bombings, punishment beatings and their kangaroo courts?

You really struggle with this. I make no exception. All of the violence was wrong from the start.

Truthvader · 22-08-2020 04:34PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You really struggle with this. I make no exception. All of the violence was wrong from the start.

But I'm happy to support promote and justify the party that was responsible for most of it.

SafeSurfer · 22-08-2020 04:42PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If local knowledge is correct it validates what Bertie was told, what the IMC says and what Connor Murphy said.
Peculiar that you want to accept one bit of local knowledge and not another bit.
Similar to those who accept the allegation that Adams was responsible for Jean McConville's death but not the allegation that she was an informer from the SAME source.

The murder is still a vicious and terrible act, it was IMO a criminal act. If those who are alleged to have done it are embedded deeply in SF and are directing the party...then there is a problem.

I don't think they are.

No more peculiar than You referring to IMC reports when they support your position and dismissing them when they are at odds with it.

Pkiernan · 22-08-2020 04:57PM

Will Gerry tell MLMD to boot this moron from the party?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-councillor-apologises-over-lanzarote-holiday-39470068.html

FrancieBrady · 22-08-2020 05:13PM

Truthvader wrote: »

But I'm happy to support promote and justify the party that was responsible for most of it.

Because I am not a hypocrite. I accepted the premise of the GFA and it's goal of bringing people into the democratic fold.

You would only be creating the same suprematist society by continuing to exclude.
I am more than happy to vote for them over 20 yeats since tge GFA

FrancieBrady · 22-08-2020 05:15PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

No more peculiar than You referring to IMC reports when they support your position and dismissing them when they are at odds with it.

Its you guys that seem to have the problem.
Blanch and his conspiracy theories and all that

SafeSurfer · 22-08-2020 05:17PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Its you guys that seem to have the problem.
Blanch and his conspiracy theories and all that

One post ago you stated “I am not a hypocrite”.

However referencing IMC reports to support your position and dismissing those referenced by other posters is nothing if not hypocritical.

jm08 · 22-08-2020 05:25PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

One post ago you stated “I am not a hypocrite”.

However referencing IMC reports to support your position and dismissing those referenced by other posters is nothing if not hypocritical.

What other reports are there?

Truthvader · 22-08-2020 05:41PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Because I am not a hypocrite. I accepted the premise of the GFA and it's goal of bringing people into the democratic fold.

You would only be creating the same suprematist society by continuing to exclude.
I am more than happy to vote for them over 20 yeats since tge GFA

A society not run and controlled by murderers is not supremacist. Plus no-one has ever been "excluded" - save those murdered by Gerry & Co who are excluded in a most permanent way. And finally its not hypocritical to vote for any of the various other political parties not run by thugs. Many of the other parties also have a good moron representation if that is your thing.

FrancieBrady · 22-08-2020 05:57PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

One post ago you stated “I am not a hypocrite”.

However referencing IMC reports to support your position and dismissing those referenced by other posters is nothing if not hypocritical.

I only referenced the IMC report because it tallies with what I was told by locals whom I know personally. I said this a long time ago.

The people who have an issue with it are you & blanch etc. Youse like to cherry pick from sources...for instance, the most bizarre one, believing the former IRA man claiming Gerry was in the 'RA but not the inconvenient bit that J. McConville was an informer.

FrancieBrady · 22-08-2020 05:59PM

Truthvader wrote: »

A society not run and controlled by murderers is not supremacist. Plus no-one has ever been "excluded" - save those murdered by Gerry & Co who are excluded in a most permanent way. And finally its not hypocritical to vote for any of the various other political parties not run by thugs. Many of the other parties also have a good moron representation if that is your thing.

The hypocrisy is, inviting people into the democratic fold and then inventing a ceiling they cannot pass. That is exclusion.

SafeSurfer · 22-08-2020 06:04PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I only referenced the IMC report because it tallies with what I was told by locals whom I know personally. I said this a long time ago.

The people who have an issue with it are you & blanch etc. Youse like to cherry pick from sources...for instance, the most bizarre one, believing the former IRA man claiming Gerry was in the 'RA but not the inconvenient bit that J. McConville was an informer.

Please quote where I said I didn’t believe J. Mc Conville was an informer.

When it comes to cherry picking Francie, you are on the top rung of the ladder.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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