How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

khalessi

khalessi wrote: »

I agree with your points about the government but you are wrong about the competence in teaching staff but anyways.

Thank you for mansplaining the plan, I appreciate it otherwise I would not have understood how a plan works. The fact that in every area the "plan" goes against all health advice for the wider community and against their own roadmap to reopening the country of a phased reopening of schools is the issue.

This new government saw it as a way to score brownie points to reopen schools and outshine the previous cohort, so they rushed out a plan. The teachers have been in classrooms for weeks trying to make it work as best they can. They are getting on with it and schools will reopen, but it would be remiss of teachers to not voice concerns for the safety of students and staff.

Why? Why use the word mansplaining?

i_surge

meeeeh wrote: »

So anyone who actually studied things, works in the field is a yes man because his opinion is not the same as an opinion of a gobshyte on Internet?

Do you actually have any argument why he is a yes man looking for a cushy job besides not saying what you want him to say?

And that kind of a moronuc post is thanked by at least 5 people. I hope it's not the teachers because you just thanked the message that says education and expertise is not important.

If making public statements, he is in the business of perception management, clearly a degree of yes manning in that role.

irishblessing

s1ippy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0823/1160804-ireland-coronavirus/

Philip Nolan weighs in to say it's all fine.

Another yes man, looking for that cushy number after this is all over.

And then there's this-
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/covid-19-may-spread-more-easily-in-schools-than-thought-us-report-warns-1.4323634

"Covid-19 may spread more easily in schools than thought, US report warns"

meeeeh

i_surge wrote: »

If making public statements, he is in the business of perception management, clearly a degree of yes manning in that role.

Oh so because he us talking to the public he knows nothing or less than you on the subject.

Icyseanfitz

meeeeh wrote: »

So anyone who actually studied things, works in the field is a yes man because his opinion is not the same as an opinion of a gobshyte on Internet?

Do you actually have any argument why he is a yes man looking for a cushy job besides not saying what you want him to say?

And that kind of a moronuc post is thanked by at least 5 people. I hope it's not the teachers because you just thanked the message that says education and expertise is not important.

To be fair stating that 100 kids have it now but going forward children will not contract it within a school setting is a little tiny bit on the stupid side of things, expert or not

meeeeh

irishblessing wrote: »

And then there's this-
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/covid-19-may-spread-more-easily-in-schools-than-thought-us-report-warns-1.4323634

"Covid-19 may spread more easily in schools than thought, US report warns"

May? What us it may or will?

vid36

https://www.thecovidmonitor.com/

A website from the USA that keep track of all outbreaks in schools. We won't see this here.

i_surge

People needs to stop relying on terrible articles from uneducated hacks misquoting and paraphrasing bad science, learn the basics and stay the course. A barrage of conflicting articles just leave us rudderless and confused.

We all know by know how the virus works and the various principles around avoiding it.

Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is doing it for some other motive.

meeeeh

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

To be fair stating that 100 kids have it now but going forward children will not contract it within a school setting is a little tiny bit on the stupid side of things, expert or not

To be fair he didn't say that.

PowerToWait

morebabies wrote: »

Look at what he says though, this literally makes no sense unless I'm missing something:

"We will see cases in students and cases in teachers and clusters in schools, but when we see that, we need to think carefully and look carefully, because it remains unlikely when we see that," he said.

Garbled waffling. How he can look people in the eye and state definitively that there will not be transmission within school communities, only within households, beggars belief. Barefaced liar I feel.

i_surge

meeeeh wrote: »

Oh so because he us talking to the public he knows nothing or less than you on the subject.

Nope, it means he is massaging the facts in line with what he is allowed to say. these things are scripted.

What you are on about is framing bias.

Professors can have agendas and are as humanly fallible as the rest of us.

is_that_so

irishblessing wrote: »

And then there's this-
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/covid-19-may-spread-more-easily-in-schools-than-thought-us-report-warns-1.4323634

"Covid-19 may spread more easily in schools than thought, US report warns"

In Georgia where the disease was pretty prevalent in the community, so not a good reference.

meeeeh

PowerToWait wrote: »

Garbled waffling. How he can look people in the eye and state definitively that there will not be transmission within school communities, only within households, beggars belief. Barefaced liar I feel.

Did you actually understand what you read?

wirelessdude01

Hearing numerous stories of teachers who belong in the 'very high risk' category as defined by the HSE being redesignated as just 'high risk' by Medmark. One of these is a colleague of mine.

Very much seems to be a concerted campaign to force every teacher/SNA regardless of their health back to work. Absolute horrendous attitude being shown to them.

Icyseanfitz

meeeeh wrote: »

To be fair he didn't say that.

"Speaking on RTÉ's This Week programme, he said there will be Covid-19 clusters in schools, but it is likely such cases will have been contracted at home, rather than in schools themselves."

An extract from the article in question, is he not stating cases in school settings will originate from home and not schools?

meeeeh

i_surge wrote: »

Nope, it means he is massaging the facts in line with what he is allowed to say. these things are scripted.

What you are on about is framing bias.

Professors can have agendas and are as humanly fallible as the rest of us.

Then dispute his claims not with a dismissal that he is rent a gob because he is not saying what you would like to hear. And not just with one article because we all know there is a lot of contradictory evidence about transmissions but what we can see from the stats is that kids are not overly affected.

irishblessing

meeeeh wrote: »

Oh so because he us talking to the public he knows nothing or less than you on the subject.

He certainly has an agenda.

i_surge

meeeeh wrote: »

Then dispute his claims not with a dismissal that he is rent a gob because he is not saying what you would like to hear. And not just with one article because we all know there is a lot of contradictory evidence about transmissions but what we can see from the stats is that kids are not overly affected.

It only takes one piece of information to discredit a theory.

Kids get it

Icyseanfitz

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Hearing numerous stories of teachers who belong in the 'very high risk' category as defined by the HSE being redesignated as just 'high risk' by Medmark. One of these is a colleague of mine.

Very much seems to be a concerted campaign to force every teacher/SNA regardless of their health back to work. Absolute horrendous attitude being shown to them.

My father, a 63 year old college technician, is in heart failure. He has been cleared to go back to work, a joke

meeeeh

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

"Speaking on RTÉ's This Week programme, he said there will be Covid-19 clusters in schools, but it is likely such cases will have been contracted at home, rather than in schools themselves."

An extract from the article in question, is he not stating cases in school settings will originate from home and not schools?

Do you understand what 'likely' means?

i_surge

meeeeh wrote: »

Do you understand what 'likely' means?

I understand that in this case it is a get out clause from liability.

i_surge

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

My father, a 63 year old college technician, is in heart failure. He has been cleared to go back to work, a joke

I hope he has enough money to tell them where to go.

Murple

morebabies wrote: »

Look at what he says though, this literally makes no sense unless I'm missing something:

"We will see cases in students and cases in teachers and clusters in schools, but when we see that, we need to think carefully and look carefully, because it remains unlikely when we see that," he said.

Makes no sense!
In fact a lot of the article makes not sense. He also says:
“If, for instance, there are two children in the same school with Covid in two months' time, it is much more likely that those two kids have separately got it within their own households, rather than transmitting from child to child within the school."


But then he also says we will have clusters in schools, but apparently they will all have got it at home rather than in school. And that he can offer "a great deal of assurance" to people that the virus would not spread from schools back home to vulnerable people.

100 children have tested positive for Covid in the last 2 weeks. That’s 100 aged 5-14.
At least some of those children will have caught it from another child. How can he say that that won’t happen in schools?

Icyseanfitz

meeeeh wrote: »

Do you understand what 'likely' means?

I most certainly do, and I understand at the moment the government and department are using words such as likely, maybe, where possible, if available etc etc as a way of avoiding any responsibility for the stupid and dangerous things they are suggesting people to accept.

Putting "likely" In front of a statement to the public stating that covid won't "likely" spread in schools but only "likely" at home is ****ing bull****

PowerToWait

meeeeh wrote: »

Did you actually understand what you read?

A direct quote from the report follows;

He said he could offer "a great deal of assurance" to people that the virus would not spread from schools back home to vulnerable people.

He said there is very little evidence internationally that schools are a major site of transmission or spread of Covid-19. He said children can get the disease, but they are contracting it more so at home than elsewhere.

Kids contract the virus at home. They then go to school. But by some weird magic they do not infect other children in school. Who in turn do not infect their households.

He is saying, I'm sure you'll correct me because you think I'm wrong, that children only contract C19 in the home and when they go to school they will not infect those around them.

Edit; He's not a liar. But he's not being truthful and is using language in an attempt to assuage genuine fears.

meeeeh

i_surge wrote: »

I understand that in this case it is a get out clause from liability.

You twisted his argument the way you wanted it to twist and this is just further example of intentionally misrepresenting the argument.

i_surge

PowerToWait wrote: »

A direct quote from the report follows;

He said he could offer "a great deal of assurance" to people that the virus would not spread from schools back home to vulnerable people.

He said there is very little evidence internationally that schools are a major site of transmission or spread of Covid-19. He said children can get the disease, but they are contracting it more so at home than elsewhere.

Kids contract the virus at home. They then go to school. But by some weird magic they do not infect other children in school. Who in turn do not infect their households.

He is saying, I'm sure you'll correct me because you think I'm wrong, that children only contract C19 in the home and when they go to school they will not infect those around them.

He's a liar.

Basically trying to put teachers and parents off doing the logical thing and rejecting the plan outright.

He has been told what to say to avoid discontent. The good "professor" has "assured" us all that it is safe. After all, he is a professor, in Maynooth, no less.

i_surge

meeeeh wrote: »

You twisted his argument the way you wanted it to twist and this is just further example of intentionally misrepresenting the argument.

Just saying what I see

Icyseanfitz

i_surge wrote: »

I hope he has enough money to tell them where to go.

Oh without a doubt, thankfully him and my mother are very comfortable, others in a position similar to me as an SNA (not to moan but pay is only okay) with a mortgage and dependants are left in a position where we must put ourselves and others in unnecessary danger to get by

PowerToWait

i_surge wrote: »

I understand that in this case it is a get out clause from liability.

Also his offering of a 'great deal of assurance'. Sleeveen talk.