How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Icyseanfitz · 23-08-2020 04:05PM

Option b but should be to reopen schools in a safe and sensible fashion, with just a bit of of ****ing forethought to the potential health crisis that this unmitigated mess could bring on us.

Burying your head in the sand and saying education is the most important thing in the world is all well and good, but when 1/5th of the population are in an unsafe virus bath for 5 out of 7 days a week, for 7 hours a day, and then return home and potentially infect the wider work force with an unknown virus, with long lasting health effects, education suddenly becomes just a little bit less important.

Mexico have used their radio and tv broadcasting to push remote learning to all children, is it as good as being in a classroom, no ****ing way, is it safer than what we are planning, 100%

And on the mental health of children aspect, FFS imagine when little 15 year old johnny is scared to be in school, catches covid, goes home to his family, kills grand dad, puts his immune compromised sister into hospital, and has his dad crippled with long term complications from an undiagnosed heart condition which gets exasperated by covid. How is that little boys mental health going to be? Will he just have to get on with what he was forced to do.

We all want normal back, guess what it isn't, and simply reopening the schools because it's the "right" Thing to do is an absolute ****ing shambles.

i_surge · 23-08-2020 04:10PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Option b but should be to reopen schools in a safe and sensible fashion, with just a bit of of ****ing forethought to the potential health crisis that this unmitigated mess could bring on us.

Burying your head in the sand and saying education is the most important thing in the world is all well and good, but when 1/5th of the population are in an unsafe virus bath for 5 out of 7 days a week, for 7 hours a day, and then return home and potentially infect the wider work force with an unknown virus, with long lasting health effects, education suddenly becomes just a little bit less important.

Mexico have used their radio and tv broadcasting to push remote learning to all children, is it as good as being in a classroom, no ****ing way, is it safer than what we are planning, 100%

And on the mental health of children aspect, FFS imagine when little 15 year old johnny is scared to be in school, catches covid, goes home to his family, kills grand dad, puts his immune compromised sister into hospital, and has his dad crippled with long term complications from an undiagnosed heart condition which gets exasperated by covid. How is that little boys mental health going to be? Will he just have to get on with what he was forced to do.

We all want normal back, guess what it isn't, and simply reopening the schools because it's the "right" Thing to do is an absolute ****ing shambles.

And if these people coming up with this ****e are behind it all, is the education really of any value? :P

Teaching kids how to perform magic tricks with logical black holes.

Rhetoric is sorely needed back on the curriculum.

Elliejo · 23-08-2020 04:12PM

irishblessing wrote: »

I can't see how on earth you reached that conclusion and I'm just a concerned parent. Very unfair comment. It's the opposite from all posting here anyway.

He is just a troll, looking for a reaction. Registered on 1st August, has only posted on this thread, all of it trying to stir sh*t...

Icyseanfitz · 23-08-2020 04:13PM

i_surge wrote: »

And if these people coming up with this ****e are behind it all, is the education really of any value? :P

Teaching kids how to perform magic tricks with logical black holes.

Rhetoric is sorely needed back on the curricululm.

I just find it hilarious how important education has become after kids have been home since March, clearly didn't matter a **** to most before then but is now somehow the single most important thing in the world.

iamwhoiam · 23-08-2020 04:15PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I just find it hilarious how important education has become after kids have been home since March, clearly didn't matter a **** to most before then but is now somehow the single most important thing in the world.

It didnt matter to whom ?

i_surge · 23-08-2020 04:16PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I just find it hilarious how important education has become after kids have been home since March, clearly didn't matter a **** to most before then but is now somehow the single most important thing in the world.

We both know it is nothing to do with education. Just a stupid government who are falling for a very simple logical trap around the economy, blind to the second order effects of "what now?" and typical of MM with his smug, scharmy ways. He was involved in the last economic melt down and surprise surprise...right on cue.

irishblessing · 23-08-2020 04:20PM

Posh Dave wrote: »

Hello the optics are not good here. There are many people who have lost their jobs/change their working practices in the last 6 months. As far as I know no teachers have lost their jobs?.

In my opinion the vast majority of teachers have not done this. The public are expecting the teachers to go back and if you have to wear PPE so be it.

If you don’t go back why should you expect to get paid?

Optics are just fine imo. Teachers want to get back, and get back safely as well as their students. As a parent, I believe they are both forever linked. If the teachers all get sick, who the hel| is going to teach our kids?

Some of us "public" are expecting teachers and children to all return in better safety, and the government have not done their best to ensure this.

No one here is expecting to do nothing and get paid for it. What is your problem? Pulling sh*te out of thin air just to have a problem where there isn't one. If schools close (actually, when schools close) or sickness/quarantine hits, we still need our valuable teachers to help teach our children remotely. Hopefully there's a plan in development or will be soon. It should have been done already but it is what it is.

irishblessing · 23-08-2020 04:22PM

markodaly wrote: »

It is not that they do not care, it is that the levers of government cannot react to the needs as quick as one would like. Too many moving parts, too many variables, too little competence in the Dept. of Education, not enough skills there or in teaching staff, or the BoM of schools etc.. etc..

So, they made a plan, not a great plan but a plan doesnt have to be perfect to work, it just has to be good enough to get schools open... and then when they are open, they change it here and there, but once the schools are open again nationwide, they are never going to close again enmass like what happened in March.

No, it wasn't a great plan. They should have prepared better plans so that not only could schools open but they stay open longer. You claiming they are never going to close again well you'd want to be better than Nostradamus. Because worldwide examples show us they will close, and there will be those who need to quarantine as well. You can't be a real poster, your posts are pure wind-up.

Icyseanfitz · 23-08-2020 04:23PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

It didnt matter to whom ?

The vast majority of the electorate who didn't care to bring it up during multiple elections in the past which in turn is why we are in a position where our schools are underfunded, crowded, understaffed and as a result, now unsafe.

Van.Bosch · 23-08-2020 04:26PM

My kids school opens on Sept 1st, are there any schools opening up this week coming?

khalessi · 23-08-2020 04:27PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

My kids school opens on Sept 1st, are there any schools opening up this week coming?

I am back on Wednesday, students Thursday and the same with my children's school.

ShaShaBear · 23-08-2020 04:27PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

My kids school opens on Sept 1st, are there any schools opening up this week coming?

My daughters go back on Wednesday

s1ippy · 23-08-2020 04:28PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0823/1160804-ireland-coronavirus/

Philip Nolan weighs in to say it's all fine.

Another yes man, looking for that cushy number after this is all over.

irishblessing · 23-08-2020 04:30PM

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Do you realise they won't get paid if they strike like you want them to?

But on the flip side, how long would it really be allowed to go on. Parent's/ the economy (the real master here) simply wouldn't allow it to drag out. So there's that....

is_that_so · 23-08-2020 04:31PM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0823/1160804-ireland-coronavirus/

Philip Nolan weighs in to say it's all fine.

Another yes man, looking for that cushy number after this is all over.

Eh, he's the head of Maynooth University! Not a yes man as the GAA should know!

jrosen · 23-08-2020 04:32PM

I have one back this week, Thursday I think and then the other back Monday.

khalessi · 23-08-2020 04:33PM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0823/1160804-ireland-coronavirus/

Philip Nolan weighs in to say it's all fine.

Another yes man, looking for that cushy number after this is all over.

Yes 100 children contracted in the context of househould outbreaks. Maybe because the schools are not open. When they do, this household context will be going to school and we will see what happens then.

Interestingly the HSE decide who gets to know, the school do not get to tell the parents.

Just having a read of this too.
Just how great a risk or not COVID-19 is in classrooms has an entire nation slightly unnerved, so mathematician Chris Bauch and his collaborators decided to plug some scenarios into a model.

Their projections? Class sizes of the magnitude many provinces are allowing could lead to outbreaks lasting weeks or even months.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/bigger-class-could-mean-up-to-five-times-the-covid-19-infections-canadian-study-suggests

smellyoldboot · 23-08-2020 04:37PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I just find it hilarious how important education has become after kids have been home since March, clearly didn't matter a **** to most before then but is now somehow the single most important thing in the world.

Don't underestimate how much of it is just parents of convenience sick of their little monsters impeding on too much of their life with their daily childminding service removed. Have seen far too many "can't wait for them to go back" "bit of peace" etc. comments.

wirelessdude01 · 23-08-2020 04:39PM

khalessi wrote: »

Interestingly the HSE decide who gets to know, the school do not get to tell the parents.

This I can see putting a huge strain on school/parental relationships. If and when a school has a case/cases the parents will expect to be told except it's out of our hands.

BonsaiKitten · 23-08-2020 04:41PM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0823/1160804-ireland-coronavirus/

Philip Nolan weighs in to say it's all fine.

Another yes man, looking for that cushy number after this is all over.

And the funny thing is, that tweet of his isn't featuring a picture of a school at all! It's a room in the Education building in Maynooth University, which is about 3 or 4 years old now.

morebabies · 23-08-2020 04:42PM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0823/1160804-ireland-coronavirus/

Philip Nolan weighs in to say it's all fine.

Another yes man, looking for that cushy number after this is all over.

Look at what he says though, this literally makes no sense unless I'm missing something:

"We will see cases in students and cases in teachers and clusters in schools, but when we see that, we need to think carefully and look carefully, because it remains unlikely when we see that," he said.

khalessi · 23-08-2020 04:42PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This I can see putting a huge strain on school/parental relationships. If and when a school has a case/cases the parents will expect to be told except it's out of our hands.

This includes present HSE guidelines to informing parents.
It should be done same way as informing about headlice.

https://twitter.com/Mise35978952/status/1297489389082292224

Sometimes count

So they may not inform parents or teachers?

Icyseanfitz · 23-08-2020 04:44PM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0823/1160804-ireland-coronavirus/

Philip Nolan weighs in to say it's all fine.

Another yes man, looking for that cushy number after this is all over.

I only read the start of that article as I'm sick of reading bull****, but am I right in saying he confirms that 100 kids have been diagnosed with covid at home, but the disease will not spread in a school situation..... I despair at the logic these people are pushing and others accepting

irishblessing · 23-08-2020 04:44PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

The vast majority of the electorate who didn't care to bring it up during multiple elections in the past which in turn is why we are in a position where our schools are underfunded, crowded, understaffed and as a result, now unsafe.

Yes. The public and parents have accountability here, too.

is_that_so · 23-08-2020 04:44PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yes 100 children contracted in the context of househould outbreaks. Maybe because the schools are not open. When they do, this household context will be going to school and we will see what happens then.

Interestingly the HSE decide who gets to know, the school do not get to tell the parents.

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Patient confidentiality has always been to the fore in this so that's not an unusual situation.

i_surge · 23-08-2020 04:46PM

What is the exact protocol for if a student or teacher gets covid?

Does the entire class have to quarantine?

Please tell me there is a standard approach and you aren't making it up as you go?

byhookorbycrook · 23-08-2020 04:46PM

If a teacher has to leave school
Due to Covid- like symptoms, the principal can’t even tell the rest of the staff . And if there’s a suspicion of Covid in one classroom , the school doesn’t have to close and the HSE won’t tell other parents in the school .

vid36 · 23-08-2020 04:48PM

I wish all the teachers and schoolchildren the best with the return to school. I really hope I am wrong, but I think the poorly planned process will be another huge mistake in our handling of this crisis.

meeeeh · 23-08-2020 04:48PM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0823/1160804-ireland-coronavirus/

Philip Nolan weighs in to say it's all fine.

Another yes man, looking for that cushy number after this is all over.

So anyone who actually studied things, works in the field is a yes man because his opinion is not the same as an opinion of a gobshyte on Internet?

Do you actually have any argument why he is a yes man looking for a cushy job besides not saying what you want him to say?

And that kind of a moronuc post is thanked by at least 5 people. I hope it's not the teachers because you just thanked the message that says education and expertise is not important.

i_surge · 23-08-2020 04:48PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

If a teacher has to leave school
Due to Covid- like symptoms, the principal can’t even tell the rest of the staff . And if there’s a suspicion of Covid in one classroom , the school doesn’t have to close and the HSE won’t tell other parents in the school .

It only gets worse.

What happens the others in that classroom?

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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