How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

lulublue22 · 23-08-2020 05:33PM

Joe Kane wrote: »

My daughter is as high of a risk as one can get. If she gets it, it will be fatal no two ways about it. We were horrified last week when the specialists in Temple Street told us that they were instructed to tell all parents with children that have serious conditions that that it was safe for them to go back to school. No letters stating it would be unsafe for the likes of my daughter were to be given.

Sorry to hear that. It most be a very anxious time for your family.

Murple · 23-08-2020 05:34PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Don't underestimate how much of it is just parents of convenience sick of their little monsters impeding on too much of their life with their daily childminding service removed. Have seen far too many "can't wait for them to go back" "bit of peace" etc. comments.

I wish parents wouldn’t say this in front of their children. I’ve recently heard a number of parents saying it, not in a jokey way either, while their children are standing right beside them. I only ever remember my mum saying she’d miss us or the house would be very quiet. If she’d said she couldn’t wait for us to go back in the tone I’ve heard it said in, I’d have been really upset by it.

Blondini · 23-08-2020 05:34PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

I wonder will medmark form a different opinion if they are reclassifying those who met the HSE very high risk criteria to high risk ? If there is a discrepancy between medmark and gp / consultant who has the final say ? Very difficult times for those in the very high risk category.

MEDMARK are making the recommendation to the employer.

The employer is only taking this advice on board to decide your fate at the moment.

meeeeh · 23-08-2020 05:34PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I am probably talking out my arse a bit here as I don't know the holiday setup for most EU countries, but I'd assume they are in much the same position as us, kids haven't been in school, so there's no data to back up one theory vs another. I know Germany have started sending kids back and it's going horrible and their education system is light years ahead of ours.

I know Slovenian system and were back fully since end of May and many since beginning of May. All will be back in September and there are different teacher groups writing to government that distancing measures (similar to here) should be scrapped because they damage kid's development.

I'm not saying they are right but just explaining how dangers are perceived in different countries.

is_that_so · 23-08-2020 05:34PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

I think they need an extra 1600 buses. That's a ship load of buses. Where will they be conjured from?

Well, that's for the DES and operators to figure out. The staggered start to the day may take some of that pressure off. I'm curious as to how many of current buses hit 100% anyway?

Icyseanfitz · 23-08-2020 05:35PM

Joe Kane wrote: »

My daughter is as high of a risk as one can get. If she gets it, it will be fatal no two ways about it. We were horrified last week when the specialists in Temple Street told us that they were instructed to tell all parents with children that have serious conditions that that it was safe for them to go back to school. No letters stating it would be unsafe for the likes of my daughter were to be given.

I know it's presumptuous to say not knowing circumstances, but keep her home, message the school with your fears, hope the principal and BoM are understanding.

Sunday Sunday · 23-08-2020 05:36PM

Joe Kane wrote: »

My daughter is as high of a risk as one can get. If she gets it, it will be fatal no two ways about it. We were horrified last week when the specialists in Temple Street told us that they were instructed to tell all parents with children that have serious conditions that that it was safe for them to go back to school. No letters stating it would be unsafe for the likes of my daughter were to be given.

Are you going to send her or homeschool? I take it homeschool, will she be eligible for any support at all from her current school?

How in all honesty can they stand over saying its safe when the dogs on the street knows there's absolutely no guarantee of that.

Did they actually say its safe for your child to return to school?

wirelessdude01 · 23-08-2020 05:36PM

Joe Kane wrote: »

My daughter is as high of a risk as one can get. If she gets it, it will be fatal no two ways about it. We were horrified last week when the specialists in Temple Street told us that they were instructed to tell all parents with children that have serious conditions that that it was safe for them to go back to school. No letters stating it would be unsafe for the likes of my daughter were to be given.

This sh!te needs to go public.

smellyoldboot · 23-08-2020 05:36PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I am probably talking out my arse a bit here as I don't know the holiday setup for most EU countries, but I'd assume they are in much the same position as us, kids haven't been in school, so there's no data to back up one theory vs another. I know Germany have started sending kids back and it's going horrible and their education system is light years ahead of ours.

Pretty much the same holidays. They don't take as long of a summer break but returning before September would be rare in Europe. Try corresponding with a European HQ/branch office in August and see how much luck you have. The places are usually empty.

PowerToWait · 23-08-2020 05:36PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I'm pretty sure jumping from a plane without working parachute means certain death. Do you understand the difference in probability?

Do you understand condescension? It's an analogy. None the less, people will die. That has already been accepted and expressed as fact by Varadkar.

From what I've seen, little or no effort has been made to mitigate risk to staff and students.

is_that_so · 23-08-2020 05:36PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Buses will be running at full capacity until additional capacity is sourced. That means in reality that nothing will change in most places as the buses aren't there.

That's fair enough. Is that confirmed as policy?

i_surge · 23-08-2020 05:37PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This sh!te needs to go public.

Oh now you agree :pac:

Sunday Sunday · 23-08-2020 05:38PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This sh!te needs to go public.

Absolutely, if you have specialists telling people it's safe then that's out and out lies.

wirelessdude01 · 23-08-2020 05:39PM

Murple wrote: »

I wish parents wouldn’t say this in front of their children. I’ve recently heard a number of parents saying it, not in a jokey way either, while their children are standing right beside them. I only ever remember my mum saying she’d miss us or the house would be very quiet. If she’d said she couldn’t wait for us to go back in the tone I’ve heard it said in, I’d have been really upset by it.

First time in a busy shopping centre today since February and over heard a 'mother' screaming at her kids that she 'can't ****ing waiting until you cnuts are out of my hair and back to school'. I kid you not. Felt so sorry for them.

froog · 23-08-2020 05:39PM

Joe Kane wrote: »

My daughter is as high of a risk as one can get. If she gets it, it will be fatal no two ways about it. We were horrified last week when the specialists in Temple Street told us that they were instructed to tell all parents with children that have serious conditions that that it was safe for them to go back to school. No letters stating it would be unsafe for the likes of my daughter were to be given.

the school has to have special arrangements for at risk children as far as i know. but the guidance is vague.

i_surge · 23-08-2020 05:42PM

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Absolutely, if you have specialists telling people it's safe then that's out and out lies.

Like you have been for 2 weeks now?

Icyseanfitz · 23-08-2020 05:42PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I know Slovenian system and were back fully since end of May and many since beginning of May. All will be back in September and there are different teacher groups writing to government that distancing measures (similar to here) should be scrapped because they damage kid's development.

But not all are back yet? You could make the same argument for Ireland with July provision. 5 in a class with 1 teacher is a vastly different prospect to 30 kids in a classroom with a teacher and SNA.

I am as anxious as I have ever been in my life heading back this week, covid is so new, it is a huge unknown as to who it affects, what they long-term consequences are etc. As an SNA who works with 7 different students in different classes I can tell you if this thing is anybit as contagious as we've been told we are ****ed with the standard Irish school approach, at least in post primary.

wirelessdude01 · 23-08-2020 05:42PM

is_that_so wrote: »

That's fair enough. Is that confirmed as policy?

Was confirmed late last week by BE.

irishblessing · 23-08-2020 05:44PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Ok, accepting your assertion that younger children do not infect other children (I'm dubious and haven't seen much to back that up to be fair) at what point do they become just like the rest of the human species and start spreading it?

Humans in Ireland generally attend school until the age of 18/19.

Mike Ryan of WHO says 10 years old.

wirelessdude01 · 23-08-2020 05:44PM

froog wrote: »

the school has to have special arrangements for at risk children as far as i know. but the guidance is vague.

No they don't. Only those who fall into the 'very high risk' category which is very narrow. As can be seen on here there seems to be a narrative at play of reducing the amount of people who are allowed to be in it.

wirelessdude01 · 23-08-2020 05:45PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

First time in a busy shopping centre today since February and over heard a 'mother' screaming at her kids that she 'can't ****ing waiting until you cnuts are out of my hair and back to school'. I kid you not. Felt so sorry for them.

As an aside, my OH and myself looked at each other at one stage and said let's just got out of here.

eviltwin · 23-08-2020 05:45PM

froog wrote: »

the school has to have special arrangements for at risk children as far as i know. but the guidance is vague.

Not being smart but how can a school decide who is high risk if doctors are instructed to tell parents it’s safe to send their child back?

lulublue22 · 23-08-2020 05:46PM

One aspect of Prof Nolan’s interview that caught my attention was the mention of - there is no comparison to a carefully controlled classroom environment - echos of Stephen Donnellys homes are uncontrolled environments while schools are controlled. Coupled with Leo’s principals probably won’t be responsible for cases / clusters in schools - are schools being set up to be culpable if we see widespread transmission and closures.

irishblessing · 23-08-2020 05:47PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

At this stage schools are going back as planned.

Nothing will change this now. Everyone is bricking it. I don't know what to say anymore apart from wait and see. What else can be done?

I have started to correspond with henireland as we have not heard back from principal inquiring about remote support. I know of almost 15 parents (1 on the fence) doing the same.

meeeeh · 23-08-2020 05:47PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

But not all are back yet? You could make the same argument for Ireland with Jul provision. 5 in a class with 1 teacher is a vastly different prospect to 30 kids in a classroom with a teacher and SNA.

I am as anxious as I have ever been in my life heading back this week, covid is so new, it is a huge unknown as to who it affects, what they long-term consequences are etc. As an SNA who works with 7 different students in different classes I can tell you if this thing is anybit as contagious as we've been told we are ****ed with the standard Irish school approach, at least in post primary.

They were all back by the middle of May irc but they did start with youngest classes and classes doing their version of leaving and junior cert. Both state exams went ahead as normal. Classes are similar size as here. Sweden never closed primary schools and I don't think there were many issues around them.

irishblessing · 23-08-2020 05:48PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

They run as normal (full) until more buses are found

which is 4 weeks to never.

Joe Kane · 23-08-2020 05:48PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

No they don't. Only those who fall into the 'very high risk' category which is very narrow. As can be seen on here there seems to be a narrative at play of reducing the amount of people who are allowed to be in it.

Correct. We were told by the same specialists this time last year that a severe chest infection could prove too much for our daughter and that it might be a good idea at the time to get in touch with the Make a wish foundation. These are the same specialists that were according to them instructed to get all children back to school regardless of their condition or risk factor. These last 3 weeks Anne Rabbitte has completely ignored us as has the school principle.

wirelessdude01 · 23-08-2020 05:48PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

One aspect of Prof Nolan’s interview that caught my attention was the mention of - there is no comparison to a carefully controlled classroom environment - echos of Stephen Donnellys homes are uncontrolled environments while schools are controlled. Coupled with Leo’s principals probably won’t be responsible for cases / clusters in schools - are schools being set up to be culpable if we see widespread transmission and closures.

Said this from the moment that Leo loosened his lips. Schools are being set up to take the blame. All the hundreds of millions they got and they couldn't keep the virus at bay.

is_that_so · 23-08-2020 05:48PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

One aspect of Prof Nolan’s interview that caught my attention was the mention of - there is no comparison to a carefully controlled classroom environment - echos of Stephen Donnellys homes are uncontrolled environments while schools are controlled. Coupled with Leo’s principals probably won’t be responsible for cases / clusters in schools - are schools being set up to be culpable if we see widespread transmission and closures.

In theory he's right but if and only if you can set a school/class up as a carefully controlled environment. Judging by comments on this thread that's not all schools.

froog · 23-08-2020 05:48PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Not being smart but how can a school decide who is high risk if doctors are instructed to tell parents it’s safe to send their child back?

no idea. i just had a look at the roadmap document and there's a section in there for very high risk children but it's incredibly vague and can be basically read as "up to the school to figure it out".

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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