Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

SusieBlue · 22-08-2020 04:50PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

all the people quoting me, and not a single one could find way to deny the points i made about the pubs not being a priority.

People can call me boring, say i drank the kool aid, but i put the health of my family , our parents and myself far far above the desperate need for a pint in the pub to socialize during a pandemic.

just because some other pub sells food for 9quid dont mean they are immune either.

Says more about the selfish nature of people when they do not give a damn about others or spreading a virus cos their need for a pint and attention of others takes priority

Your disdain is completely misdirected, all the current major clusters have come about from meat factories and direct provision centres and the majority of the deaths occurred because the government dropped the ball with nursing homes.
No clusters or deaths can be traced back to pubs, despite the fact that restaurants & pubs that serve food have been open for just under 8 weeks now.
This would lead me to believe that it’s possible to open these venues safely with policies and procedures in place to protect customers.

The pub trade are simply looking to be afforded the same luxury every other industry has been given, which is the chance to open with restrictions in place to run their businesses within the safety guidelines.

They have done nothing to deserve being made into scapegoats because of mismanagement in other industries and if you are that concerned about protecting the health of your family, I suggest you focus that frustration on the meat factories, DP centres & nursing home mismanagement and not at pub owners and goers.

What’s selfish is you supporting their closure when it’s quite clear that they aren’t responsible for the current spike in numbers or any of the deaths, they are being blamed for an issue they had no hand in and that’s extremely unfair.

Thierry12 · 22-08-2020 04:51PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There are 19 people currently in hospital for Covid. During the winter flu season between 200-500 people die per winter (that's from the HSE website). We have had roughly 20 deaths in the last month. It is time we got on with things and opened up out society again instead of faffing about for tiny numbers

Pneumonia kills well over a thousand in Ireland every year and mostly starts out as a flu type ilness

Add that to your flu figure

Justin Credible Darts · 22-08-2020 08:15PM

Neowise wrote: »

What difference does a pub being opened or closed make to you?

You clearly state that your priority is to your family and you wouldn't be going to them, but, you cannot go to them because they are not open. Can I deduce then, that if they were open, that you would be unable to keep yourself out of the pubs, and it is for that reason that you want them to remain shut, so that you are not tempted into them?

Open the pubs, if pubs are being unsafe, shut them down for health and safety breachs, but allow those that are being responsible and maintaining a safe setup to remain open. Why should pubs remain shut just because justin doesn't want to go to a pub because his family is his priority?

but they are open , to those serving food, or have you not comprehended this yet ?
If you feel the need so badly to socialize during a pandemic you can go to one of those pubs, with your friends and you wont be on here crying cos some others are closed.

As to your nonsense about not being able to control myself, that is hilarious as I have clearly shown I can control myself and could stay in for months more if need be, as I am in control of my own actions. It appears you are the one having difficulty accepting the closure of other pubs.

freak scence · 22-08-2020 09:13PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Pubs that don’t serve food are exactly the place a microscopic virus that can’t be stopped by borders or lockdowns like to wait and jump on you as soon as you enter the premises.
Opening them would be like opening the gates of Hades where all hell will be unleashed and the destruction of society would no doubt soon fall upon us...
For the good of all mankind and the prevention of illness and deaths we must never open the pubs again!!

think you mean schools

end of the road · 22-08-2020 09:59PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There are 19 people currently in hospital for Covid. During the winter flu season between 200-500 people die per winter (that's from the HSE website). We have had roughly 20 deaths in the last month. It is time we got on with things and opened up out society again instead of faffing about for tiny numbers

our society is already open, just a few low contributers kept closed as they are felt to be higher risk.
any of the restrictions we still have are to keep the tiny numbers tiny.
you do not want us to have another national lockdown right? i don't either, so any other guidelines and restrictions that can help avoid that will be put in and you are better off to go along with them as they will not be abolished, and not doing so will just mean harder restrictions making it harder for us all.

SusieBlue wrote: »

Your disdain is completely misdirected, all the current major clusters have come about from meat factories and direct provision centres and the majority of the deaths occurred because the government dropped the ball with nursing homes.
No clusters or deaths can be traced back to pubs, despite the fact that restaurants & pubs that serve food have been open for just under 8 weeks now.
This would lead me to believe that it’s possible to open these venues safely with policies and procedures in place to protect customers.

The pub trade are simply looking to be afforded the same luxury every other industry has been given, which is the chance to open with restrictions in place to run their businesses within the safety guidelines.

They have done nothing to deserve being made into scapegoats because of mismanagement in other industries and if you are that concerned about protecting the health of your family, I suggest you focus that frustration on the meat factories, DP centres & nursing home mismanagement and not at pub owners and goers.

What’s selfish is you supporting their closure when it’s quite clear that they aren’t responsible for the current spike in numbers or any of the deaths, they are being blamed for an issue they had no hand in and that’s extremely unfair.

the pubs are not being made scapegoats for anything, either mismanagement or any other reason.
the wet pubs are being kept closed because it is felt they are higher risk then the food serving pubs, as with all the other restrictions people will either not bother, or for those who do then food will lessen the effects of the alcohol.
it's really a non-issue, the pub trade is a low contributer over all so cannot be a priority, especially when we need to get schools ready to open.

Suckit · 22-08-2020 10:27PM

end of the road wrote: »

the pubs are not being made scapegoats for anything, either mismanagement or any other reason.
the wet pubs are being kept closed because it is felt they are higher risk then the food serving pubs, as with all the other restrictions people will either not bother, or for those who do then food will lessen the effects of the alcohol.
it's really a non-issue, the pub trade is a low contributer over all so cannot be a priority, especially when we need to get schools ready to open.

More likely an added risk.
I get that the less risk, and the more restrictions that the more or better under control it is.
I didn't/don't necessarily agree with keeping half the pubs closed because they don't serve food, with the other half being open and not proven to be in any way safer, and possibly run by people who don't care about restrictions.
However, seeing the absolute morons protesting in Dublin today for a 'no masks' I kinda wish we could bundle them all to an uninhabited island and let them at it.
People shouting and wanting things to be opened, yet not willing to show the smallest, tiny contribution to preventative measures.
Turnips.
I think because of them, restrictions should be tighter, and food places should be monitored more strictly.

PTH2009 · 22-08-2020 10:31PM

A few drinks and the no **** attitude kicks in

No doubt the people in charge were students who celebrated rag week/graduation/golf dinners (lol) etc

They need to remember limiting drink time and all that will do **** all for the long term

freak scence · 22-08-2020 10:50PM

end of the road wrote: »

our society is already open, just a few low contributers kept closed as they are felt to be higher risk.
any of the restrictions we still have are to keep the tiny numbers tiny.
you do not want us to have another national lockdown right? i don't either, so any other guidelines and restrictions that can help avoid that will be put in and you are better off to go along with them as they will not be abolished, and not doing so will just mean harder restrictions making it harder for us all.

the pubs are not being made scapegoats for anything, either mismanagement or any other reason.
the wet pubs are being kept closed because it is felt they are higher risk then the food serving pubs, as with all the other restrictions people will either not bother, or for those who do then food will lessen the effects of the alcohol.
it's really a non-issue, the pub trade is a low contributer over all so cannot be a priority, especially when we need to get schools ready to open.

get schools ready to spread covid , where are your stats for pubs in ireland spreading covid ?

end of the road · 22-08-2020 11:02PM

Suckit wrote: »

More likely an added risk.
I get that the less risk, and the more restrictions that the more or better under control it is.
I didn't/don't necessarily agree with keeping half the pubs closed because they don't serve food, with the other half being open and not proven to be in any way safer, and possibly run by people who don't care about restrictions.
However, seeing the absolute morons protesting in Dublin today for a 'no masks' I kinda wish we could bundle them all to an uninhabited island and let them at it.
People shouting and wanting things to be opened, yet not willing to show the smallest, tiny contribution to preventative measures.
Turnips.
I think because of them, restrictions should be tighter, and food places should be monitored more strictly.

this is ultimately it, these people are just going to make it harder for the rest of us by ultimately causing more restrictions to be implemented going forward.
where as if they just go along with what is there then we could be able to get out of this quicker, but instead they rail against everything which in turn is dragging things out more but of course they don't seem to get this, and they don't seem to understand that the government are not going to abolish restrictions until they feel the time is right based on the evidence, no matter how much ranting and railing they engage in.
yeah tbh i get the argument of open all or none of the pubs but i do see why we got the halfway house approach as it removes the majority of the complaining over pubs not being open, there are pubs to go to but technically one would have to buy food.
the government were damned if they did and damned if they didn't on this issue.

end of the road · 22-08-2020 11:06PM

freak scence wrote: »

get schools ready to spread covid , where are your stats for pubs in ireland spreading covid ?

thankfully the forced serving of food and other restrictions seem to be limiting any effects in terms of mixed pubs.
obviously though the government feel based on the information they have that the same may not be the case for wet pubs hence they are closed.
there is no guarantee that schools will spread covid as long as proper restrictions and precautions are in place, and after all education is more important then drink and believe me i love my drink.

Suckit · 22-08-2020 11:16PM

freak scence wrote: »

get schools ready to spread covid , where are your stats for pubs in ireland spreading covid ?

Before or after the restrictions came in, and any idea where to get these stats?

copeyhagen · 22-08-2020 11:54PM

do people think that punters going to 4 pubs on a pub crawl (because they have to) and spending 9e in each pub on food and coming into contact with x number of people in x pubs is safer than being able to go to one pub and sit there for the night drinking with the same faces in the place.. mental.

copeyhagen · 22-08-2020 11:55PM

end of the road wrote: »

thankfully the forced serving of food and other restrictions seem to be limiting any effects in terms of mixed pubs.
obviously though the government feel based on the information they have that the same may not be the case for wet pubs hence they are closed.
there is no guarantee that schools will spread covid as long as proper restrictions and precautions are in place, and after all education is more important then drink and believe me i love my drink.

of course, you know the information the govt has and trust them to do whats best with that information? :pac:

Suckit · 23-08-2020 12:14AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

do people think that punters going to 4 pubs on a pub crawl (because they have to) and spending 9e in each pub on food and coming into contact with x number of people in x pubs is safer than being able to go to one pub and sit there for the night drinking with the same faces in the place.. mental.

You mean (because they are going to).
And how can you be sure it would be the same faces in the place?

I am all for opening all of the pubs, or closing all of the pubs, but your reasoning is as bad as the one you are arguing against, if not worse.
There is no way you can say that people will sit in the same place in the same pub without monitors of some description being brought in.
Then they can ensure everyone is adhering to restrictions to keep the vulnerable safe.
Then people will be complaining that they are being monitored and can't go from one pub to another where their other friends are.
People do not 'have to' go to the pub, nor do they 'have to' pub crawl.
You can have a few drinks with your mates before the pub if you want.
They are trying to curb socialising until we have a better handle on it, which cannot happen until everyone chips in. If everyone started now, we may actually have a decent christmas with pubs.
If they don't, we may not have the option of any pubs.

copeyhagen · 23-08-2020 12:26AM

Suckit wrote: »

You mean (because they are going to).
And how can you be sure it would be the same faces in the place?

I am all for opening all of the pubs, or closing all of the pubs, but your reasoning is as bad as the one you are arguing against, if not worse.
There is no way you can say that people will sit in the same place in the same pub without monitors of some description being brought in.

from personal experience, literally everyone i know would go to a single pub on a night out then maybe onto a late place, which cant happen now anyway

Suckit wrote: »

Then they can ensure everyone is adhering to restrictions to keep the vulnerable safe.
Then people will be complaining that they are being monitored and can't go from one pub to another where their other friends are.
People do not 'have to' go to the pub, nor do they 'have to' pub crawl.
You can have a few drinks with your mates before the pub if you want.
They are trying to curb socialising until we have a better handle on it, which cannot happen until everyone chips in. If everyone started now, we may actually have a decent christmas with pubs.
If they don't, we may not have the option of any pubs.

the rest of your post is ridiculous. how has every other European Country opened their pubs back up? Xmas.. give over.

Suckit · 23-08-2020 12:43AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

from personal experience, literally everyone i know would go to a single pub on a night out then maybe onto a late place, which cant happen now anyway

From personal experience?
You cannot speak for anyone else, and especially not for everyone else. If they brought in regulations that allowed some sort of monitoring, people would be against it. But if they didn't people would be going from one pub to the next.
The dangers of this virus are still being discovered. I know many that had it, 'luckily' only one so far that died from it.
Some that have appeared immune to it, and two or three that survived very serious bouts of it.
Some that had it in march are suffering now again with scarred lungs and other issues. Until they can get a better understanding of it, it is not a massive ask, what is being asked.

copeyhagen wrote: »

the rest of your post is ridiculous. how has every other European Country opened their pubs back up? Xmas.. give over.

Every other country is different. What do you mean "Xmas ..give over"?
I am saying if the guidelines and restrictions are followed, we could open up a lot sooner, and used Christmas as an example.
If they are not, we may not fully open up at all.
It is not difficult to understand, it just seems selfish people refuse to want to understand.
Why do you want to go to a pub so badly? You can go right now, and I am sure you are aware that many aren't adhering to the 105 minutes (actually, I don't know any that are).
So what is the issue?

Richard Hillman · 23-08-2020 12:58AM

The UK opened their pubs on the 4th of July and their numbers have remained steady ever since. There was no armageddon as promised by the media after it was dubbed independence day.

Justin Credible Darts · 23-08-2020 01:07AM

The number of so called "adults" on here crying because a pub that does not serve food is not open is hilarious.

If you want a pint with your friends, go book a table in a pub that serves food....as sadly they are still open.
Nothing will change the FACT pubs are not a priority, especially during a global pandemic.

I saw something on a English forum where one person said, 80 years ago people were asked to fight and die for their country in the second world war.
All we are asked now is to wear a mask in public and keep socializing to a minimum, and still selfish people are crying its too much to do.

Suckit · 23-08-2020 01:16AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The UK opened their pubs on the 4th of July and their numbers have remained steady ever since. There was no armageddon as promised by the media after it was dubbed independence day.

Scotland opened later, and Wales was later again.
They were allowed to open outdoors, but not for indoor service. They also are restricted.
They also suffered a huge amount of deaths in England of the most vulnerable before they reopened anything.
Our regulations aren't currently that different to theirs either, and as has been mentioned before, the restrictions are to help slow it down.

What is it that people are moaning about in general?
Because as I see it, we are pretty much open albeit with restrictions that are to slow it down. Restrictions that many people that will go to the pub will still want to adhere to.
Imagine that on a busy night.
Drunk and Coked up bumping into people who are trying to be careful and don't want to meet people like that.
There are way too many variables and the current restrictions aren't the worst they could be.
The people who go to gigs just for the gig are the ones losing out most, and of all the people complaining they seem to be the ones complaining the least.

Del Griffith · 23-08-2020 01:18AM

end of the road wrote: »

thankfully the forced serving of food and other restrictions seem to be limiting any effects in terms of mixed pubs.
obviously though the government feel based on the information they have that the same may not be the case for wet pubs hence they are closed.
there is no guarantee that schools will spread covid as long as proper restrictions and precautions are in place, and after all education is more important then drink and believe me i love my drink.

Do you have any evidence at all of a cluster coming out of a pub?
And there won't be restrictions in schools, they've said as much, school class numbers make social distancing pretty much impossible.

And will you stop saying "wet pub" ffs

Justin Credible Darts · 23-08-2020 03:33AM

why does every whiner who cries because the pubs are not open have to bring up schools, and other topics as if it negates the FACT that pub are not a priority.

I guess its a tactic to deflect form truths they cannot accept.
Want to drink ? Go to the off license, or go to a pub selling food.
Want to socialise during a global pandemic ? that says more about the person who wishes to ignore the obvious

Del Griffith · 23-08-2020 06:25AM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

why does every whiner who cries because the pubs are not open have to bring up schools, and other topics as if it negates the FACT that pub are not a priority.

I guess its a tactic to deflect form truths they cannot accept.
Want to drink ? Go to the off license, or go to a pub selling food.
Want to socialise during a global pandemic ? that says more about the person who wishes to ignore the obvious

Are you referring to my post where I replied to a post about schools? Did you read the post I quoted?

mean gene · 23-08-2020 06:30AM

Government have messed up on this as people are having party's at home instead of a well organised public house with less chance of getting covid.
Jokeshop should be opened

Dempo1 · 23-08-2020 06:43AM

Seems to me the opening of pubs and pretty much everything else (unless your into golf

,) has completely gone off the agenda, in fact the opening of schools is all that matters. Whatever about that argument and I'm neutral on it, I just can see rural or none food pubs opening anytime soon let alone September. New cases stubbornly high and clearly nothing to do with these pubs as they've been closed. Dare I say the issue is in fact Community spread, shopping centres and large plants to include food, meat and construction sites all a particular a concern. I get opening the economy but if a grip is not achieved soon, I think we'll go backwards not forward. In essence I have to say it's becoming increasingly evident the government opened certain sections of the economy too quickly, leaving others closed for nonsensical reasons, I'm just hoping opening the schools is the correct decision albeit I'd have preferred more preparation time.

23-08-2020 07:11AM

R number is back close to 1. Community transmission isn't the issue.

Mr. teddywinkles · 23-08-2020 08:03AM

Can I ask a question that doesn't seem to be asked. Say a vaccine can't to formulated for this and 2 years time we're still expected to have lockdowns and all the procedures. Do people think they will still be abiding by this new regulations?

dominatinMC · 23-08-2020 08:28AM

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Can I ask a question that doesn't seem to be asked. Say a vaccine can't to formulated for this and 2 years time we're still expected to have lockdowns and all the procedures. Do people think they will still be abiding by this new regulations?

I doubt it. Altering human behavior is an extremely difficult task - as anyone who has tried dieting, given up cigarettes, etc. will testify to. Trying to recondition the behavior of a whole population over a long time period is nigh on impossible IMO. It's only been ~6 months (of varying levels of restrictions) and already the compliance and goodwill of the general public is being stretched. If we get through the winter relatively unscathed, and hospital admissions and deaths are still low early next year (irrespective of case numbers), I can see people clamoring for a return to the "old normal".

robbiezero · 23-08-2020 08:29AM

The situation with the pubs is a bit stupid now.
In towns and cities, the larger pubs are open and are mostly doing the meal crap etc - They have the footfall to be able to.

The smaller pubs in towns and cities are just throwing a takeaway menu out and paying lip service to the meal stuff. Effectively back to normal apart from the distancing aspect, table service and seats at the bar.

The rural pubs which are probably the safest and the most necessary as in many cases they are a vital social outlet in areas with little else, are unable to open if there is no takeaway in the village.

Neowise · 23-08-2020 10:47AM

Suckit wrote: »

Scotland opened later, and Wales was later again.
They were allowed to open outdoors, but not for indoor service. They also are restricted.
They also suffered a huge amount of deaths in England of the most vulnerable before they reopened anything.
Our regulations aren't currently that different to theirs either, and as has been mentioned before, the restrictions are to help slow it down.

What is it that people are moaning about in general?
Because as I see it, we are pretty much open albeit with restrictions that are to slow it down. Restrictions that many people that will go to the pub will still want to adhere to.
Imagine that on a busy night.
Drunk and Coked up bumping into people who are trying to be careful and don't want to meet people like that.
There are way too many variables and the current restrictions aren't the worst they could be.
The people who go to gigs just for the gig are the ones losing out most, and of all the people complaining they seem to be the ones complaining the least.

>What is it that people are moaning about in general?

I would like to be able to get a pint in a beer garden of a pub on a hot day for less than €14.

That what I would be currently charged, as things stand.

Irish Steve · 23-08-2020 12:33PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Do you have any evidence at all of a cluster coming out of a pub?
And there won't be restrictions in schools, they've said as much, school class numbers make social distancing pretty much impossible.

And will you stop saying "wet pub" ffs

Yes.

Aberdeen was locked down as a direct result of a cluster that started with 20 infections in one pub in the city centre, then spread more widely by the original 20 then "pub hopping" to other pubs in the centre.

The most recent figure I've heard is that the cluster directly traced to the original 20 has now exceeded 2000 cases, and that's with lockdown helping to reduce the numbers meeting up.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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