Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

freak scence wrote: »

borth ??


the most stupid thing to do now is still hide

---

wake up

I'll take a wild stab at this...
You have no elderly people you are in the slightest worried about, or any others.



Don't think anyone is hiding. Just taking preventative measures. I believe the rest of the pubs opening under the same guidelines may help rather than hinder, while watched, but that's not yet happening.

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I think the way some people go on they must be chronic alcoholics or sad lonely people with no friends or partners that they have to get to a pub in order to get attention.

Not that selling food in a pub will somehow prevent covid either, I saw one bar in cork that was selling food, had people all social distancing sitting outside, then the rain pissed down, and all the people who were distancing were huddled together under a canopy trying to stay dry., making everything they did earlier all rendered completely wasted.
I looked over at these morons and thought, these exactly are the type of fools the sane people have to depend on to take precautions. Greedy selfish people who only think about their needs and screw everyone else.


Still I am sure someone will look for a typo in my post in order to deflect from some home truths.

Usually it's the people with no friends who don't want the pubs to reopen. Those who have friends want to meet them for a few drinks. So that particular insult doesn't really work. And it's easy and much cheaper to be an alcoholic without pubs.

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I think the way some people go on they must be chronic alcoholics or sad lonely people with no friends or partners that they have to get to a pub in order to get attention.

Not that selling food in a pub will somehow prevent covid either, I saw one bar in cork that was selling food, had people all social distancing sitting outside, then the rain pissed down, and all the people who were distancing were huddled together under a canopy trying to stay dry., making everything they did earlier all rendered completely wasted.
I looked over at these morons and thought, these exactly are the type of fools the sane people have to depend on to take precautions. Greedy selfish people who only think about their needs and screw everyone else.


Still I am sure someone will look for a typo in my post in order to deflect from some home truths.

It’s mind boggling that so many people clearly have such little understanding of addiction issues.
‘Chronic alcoholics’ aren’t going to go to the effort of ringing around venues to book a two hour socially distanced slot with the added expense of having to pay €9 for a substantial meal that they don’t even want when they could just spend that money on extra alcohol and drink at home or elsewhere.

Someone with a chronic addiction, or even just a regular addiction, would not jump through so many hoops when it would be significantly less effort to just go to an off license.
For them it’s all about accessing what they’re addicted to as quickly & easily as possible, and not the socialisation aspect.

The last few months have been incredibly difficult and emotionally taxing for most people and it’s only now that a glimmer of slight normality is beginning to return.
If you want to make a martyr of yourself and continue to live a life of recluse then go ahead, but don’t label others as ‘sad, lonely, chronic alcoholics’ because they are wanting to meet friends and family to socialise as per the government guidelines, and because they want the regular pubs to be allowed reopen without the ridiculous substantial meal requirement.

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Well done on completely missing the point yet again.


the fact you think I am staying home and avoiding pubs to be a "martyr" shows how utterly clueless you are as to why I and other sane unselfish people are doing what we are doing.


The fact i am considering my health, the health of my family and parents during a global pandemic seems to be completely lost on you.


You can spout whatever pathetic excuse you want to validate your crying to have the pubs open, but it wont change the truth pubs are not a priority during this crisis.


But hey, who cares about people dying when you want to go to the pub cos you are bored.

It’s not just pubs though, is it? You’ve also taken issue with people going to restaurants, meeting up with friends and having gatherings in their homes.
You seem to have a problem with any type of social interaction.
But we aren’t robots, if people want to do those things within the government guidelines then they are perfectly entitled to and it doesn’t make them selfish or reckless, no matter how much you insist otherwise.
Just because you find it easy to go without those things doesn’t mean other people do.

And the fact that you again dismiss it as wanting to go to the pub out of boredom says it all. You clearly just don’t have a clue. The situation is far more complex than a bit of boredom, not that you care or anything.

This pandemic is going absolutely nowhere and life must go on.
People are dying of other things besides coronavirus too, but people don’t care as much about that.
Not to mention those who will die preventable deaths in the coming years from missed cancer screenings.

You put in a good effort with your little guilt trip there but I’m afraid it just won’t work.
I will never agree with you that keeping the pubs closed and banning house parties will prevent death when all the major recent clusters have come out of meat factories and direct provision centres, and the majority of deaths were caused by mismanagement of nursing homes which is no reflection on the efforts of us as a society.
That ones on the government.
I suggest you direct your anger and judgment at them, rather than at people who are just trying to get a little bit of normality in these tough times.

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

nor should everyone who takes precautions be labelled either, which clearly happens



And you might well be responsible, but the more a person gets drunk the chances of them being less responsible increases.


I guess its all about priorities for me, I put my health and the health of those I love before the need to go to the pub, and believe me, I loved the pub and miss it, but the risk is too strong,



People claiming the government can do what they want etc is a different argument and what those "badder lads" you refer to are doing is also a different issue, I am against what they done too.

What difference does a pub being opened or closed make to you?


You clearly state that your priority is to your family and you wouldn't be going to them, but, you cannot go to them because they are not open. Can I deduce then, that if they were open, that you would be unable to keep yourself out of the pubs, and it is for that reason that you want them to remain shut, so that you are not tempted into them?


Open the pubs, if pubs are being unsafe, shut them down for health and safety breachs, but allow those that are being responsible and maintaining a safe setup to remain open. Why should pubs remain shut just because justin doesn't want to go to a pub because his family is his priority?

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There are 19 people currently in hospital for Covid. During the winter flu season between 200-500 people die per winter (that's from the HSE website). We have had roughly 20 deaths in the last month. It is time we got on with things and opened up out society again instead of faffing about for tiny numbers

That's correct.



But the reason there are only 19 people in hospital is because most people are following recommendations - or at least have modified their usual behaviour.



It is not a conspiracy. We have seen what happened in other countries when it was allowed to spread in normal day-to-day life - the same as you might see for the flu.


Bear in mind also that vulnerable people - by and large - get flu vaccinations.