Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

The Belly wrote: »

Didi you read the list?

The list of idiots that attended the function? Yes I did indeed.

What has that got to do with a police state? I'm not following you here. How does it clearly illustrate we do?

The Belly wrote: »

I dont mind idiots breaking rules thats life but its a different story when the position of power they have is over us all.

Replace 'breaking' with 'making' and then you know how I feel since May more or less.

I understand the current government might not be your prefered party but that is democracy in action.

My choice is none that are available .

To throw out phrases like police state and positions of power they hold over us is in my opinion complete nonsense.

I didnt say we lived in a police state read my post again. What i said again was those that make the rules and have the power to enforce them are not following the same rules.

If any other party was currently running government the situation would be similar. They are following public health guidance which again in my opinion is the correct approach.

So you have no problem with what went on recently and public health guidance was being followed and it would be the same regardless of who was in government?

You will not see me defend what went on I thought my opinion was clear. You ignored the point I was trying to make.

I simply answered the question you asked about a police state.

Another party in Government would have hopefully followed public health advice similar to what we have now

Yes they may have or they may have had a different approach this we dont know.

On this you said "My choice is none that are available" can I ask what your choice would be?

Thats a long list but a bit of accountability would be a good start. All I see is career politicians with no long term plan at all.

ExoPolitic wrote: »

https://youtu.be/rTGz80g4QxY

https://youtu.be/rTGz80g4QxY

A link to what happened today, with the crowd in attendance in shot.

Looks a large gathering alright, I suppose that was bound to happen, with the recent incidents

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Looks a large gathering alright, I suppose that was bound to happen, with the recent incidents

What's a police state?

The Belly wrote: »

None really offered anything but more of the same. This is probably not the right thread for it.

I think it was yourself that brought politics into the thread claiming the people in positions of power hold power over us. That's why I asked for an explanation and alternative.

I also asked another poster why they think we live in a police state but no answer either.

Soundbites are cheap that's why platforms like Twitter do so well.

I think it was yourself that brought politics into the thread claiming the people in positions of power hold power over us. That's why I asked for an explanation and alternative.

You asked a question i answered it.

I also asked another poster why they think we live in a police state but no answer either.

No you asked me to when I provided a take on it.

Soundbites are cheap that's why platforms like Twitter do so well.

Your opinion your entitled to it remember we dont live in a police state if we did your opinion wouldnt matter and neither would mine.

The Belly wrote: »

You asked a question i answered it.

What was your answer? You started on about a bunch of idiots going to Galway for a completely stupid golf dinner.

I'll ask again. How are we being controlled?

The Belly wrote: »

No you asked me to when I provided a take on it.

The Belly wrote: »

You intervened between me and another poster with your own opinion which I am still awaiting a reply.

Great sounds like we agree we don't live in a policed state and what the previous poster who I was initially responding to was talking complete and utter nonsense.

The Belly wrote: »

Your opinion you're entitled to it remember we dont live in a police state if we did your opinion wouldn't matter and neither would mine.

What was your answer? You started on about a bunch of idiots going to Galway for a completely stupid golf dinner.

You called them idiots not me. But they are

I'll ask again. How are we being controlled?

I told you read the list of people

You intervened between me and another poster with your own opinion which I am still awaiting a reply.

I offered my take am i not allowed too?

Great sounds like we agree we don't live in a policed state and what the previous poster who I was initially responding to was talking complete and utter nonsense

He offered his take and perfectly entitled too. What you seem to be missing in all of this is when powers of the state are given excessive control and dont obey their own rules it a slippery slide to worse. You may agree or may not but history tells a different story.

You decide.

john4321 wrote: »

They are. This is not political at all, What they did was an insult to the country and I don't think you will find anyone who will argue otherwise.





I did and I dont see how people like Jerry Buttimer are controlling the people that's why I asked you to explain the comment.




Of course you are this is the whole point of the site and what keeps it going. It can be used by some posters though to ignore a direct point and disengage with the debate where here is a prime example.




I dont agree he offered his take thats the issue. He threw out a one liner statement that we live in a police state with nothing to back it up and once questioned by another poster hid. That's all I was getting at.

Would be happy to discuss the rest of that statement about excessive control etc. if we can put the rest of this aside.

Agreed but on somethings we may not agree debate is important especially in these times.

john4321 wrote: »

Fully agree it's more important now than ever.

We need to take politics out of this debate thought in relation to the current situation. If the Monster Raving Loony Party or Lord Buckethead were elected to Government in the UK I think they would still follow the public health expert advice.

This thread was initially useful to discuss restrictions and relaxation of them but jumped the shark where people started making statements about a police state etc. thats my only issue.

Understandable. I think restrictions from the evidence available are excessive.

The Belly wrote: »

Understandable. I think restrictions from the evidence available are excessive.

That's fair and again not many would disagree with that statement.


Restrictions are a fairly blunt tool but I can also see why Government use them. If they don't broadly follow NPHET advice the backlash if something went wrong would be enormous.


Here are my previous views for what it's worth.


"Hospital numbers of Covid patients is currently low which is great news and allows the health service to treat day to day patients. This is very important as I hope you can agree. If Covid hospitaliasions increase it limits the capacity of the healthcare service.

Onto the economy I think it's a delicate risk based balancing act on what to open and personally feel the current balance is about right.

Would genuinely like your opinion on what restrictions you would lift tomorrow to benefit the economy. My own would be to allow regular pubs to open with table service and reduced numbers or promotion of pubs teaming up with restaurants to provide food and benefit two businesses."

john4321 wrote: »

Thanks but that question was for another poster originally before you replied and they suddenly went silent.

Happens regularly with the other poster when called out. I await the changing of the subject with a quote from someone else about a different topic...