Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No doubt the usual Covid hysterics will turn up to say its not the flu.

It's not the flu. What is hysterical is trying to describe what we are living under as a police state.

walus

Penfailed wrote: »

It's not the flu. What is hysterical is trying to describe what we are living under as a police state.

Police state it is not. Paternalistic, very much so.

Penfailed

walus wrote: »

Police state it is not.

I know.

nannerbenahs

More new ´´cases´´ is not a cause for worry, it´s actually good news, especially since these ´´cases´´ are not actually dying or even symptomatic. Surely any surge in such new cases means we don´t need any further action or a rushed vaccine, as this shows that a large percentage of the population has already been exposed and has according to the normal age-old methods of Mother Nature, successfully neutralised the power of this particular threat.
Surely we have flattened that March curve by now!!

i_surge

nannerbenahs wrote: »

More new ´´cases´´ is not a cause for worry, it´s actually good news, especially since these ´´cases´´ are not actually dying or even symptomatic. Surely any surge in such new cases means we don´t need any further action or a rushed vaccine, as this shows that a large percentage of the population has already been exposed and has according to the normal age-old methods of Mother Nature, successfully neutralised the power of this particular threat.
Surely we have flattened that March curve by now!!

Whole lot of make believe there.

How do you explain the situation in latin america so?

FintanMcluskey

The fact its even up for discussion about the Gardai been given powers to enter the home for the sole purpose of breaking up private parties is alarming.

The following articles are from early days when Covid was thought to be more dangerous, we know thats not the case now but the fact its up for discussion for the gardai to get powers to enter the hone to break up house parties is alarming.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/opinion/comment/we-have-sleepwalked-into-a-police-state-its-vital-we-have-right-to-question-states-actions-39122948.html

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40023758.html%3ftype=amp

odyssey06

nannerbenahs wrote: »

More new ´´cases´´ is not a cause for worry, it´s actually good news, especially since these ´´cases´´ are not actually dying or even symptomatic. Surely any surge in such new cases means we don´t need any further action or a rushed vaccine, as this shows that a large percentage of the population has already been exposed and has according to the normal age-old methods of Mother Nature, successfully neutralised the power of this particular threat.
Surely we have flattened that March curve by now!!

It shows no such thing.
Random antibody testing showed only 3% of the population in Dublin had been exposed to the virus.
Even in places like London, it was only 13% of the population.

odyssey06

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The fact its even up for discussion about the Gardai been given powers to enter the home for the sole purpose of breaking up private parties is alarming.

Not really alarming if that's its sole purpose.
In other jurisdictions, police have the power to break up noisy parties.
Those other jurisdictions aren't police states.
This measure will not turn us into one either.

i_surge

odyssey06 wrote: »

It shows no such thing.
Random antibody testing showed only 3% of the population in Dublin had been exposed to the virus.
Even in places like London, it was only 13% of the population.

The very low incidence of covid has a masking effect on bad behaviour. You can get away with any stupid **** when there is no virus present, obviously enough...that is then justified as being safe to do in the presence of the virus when it is not.

Not one of the anti mask fools here would go take a few deep breaths in a covid ward despite whatever they say here.

FintanMcluskey

i_surge wrote: »

The very low incidence of covid has a masking effect on bad behaviour. You can get away with any stupid **** when there is no virus present, obviously enough...that is then justified as being safe to do in the presence of the virus when it is not.

Do some people actually think Covid is the only virus that exists?

i_surge

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Do some people actually think Covid is the only virus that exists?

What are you on about now?

If you mention flu, you are going on the ignore list

MadYaker

walus wrote: »

I applauded the government when they made a decision to close schools and pubs back in the day. These are two very social environments where a virus like this would have a chance to spread quickly. Ireland had the benefit of getting the surge of infections relatively late and could use the medial data from other countries who have experienced that earlier to guide their decision making in the next step. That data was already saying that there were vulnerable cohorts which required a different strategies than the rest of the population. Selective isolation of those cohorts would have been far easier and less expensive to implement than what they have done since lockdown.
Looking at the original logic, if schools and pubs were deemed equally important in containing the virus, why it is ok to open schools but not pubs?

Schools are necessary for the country to function and for the welfare of children. Pubs as much I love pints, are not. At least not in the short term. It's about balancing necessity against risk.

I'm not sure how you'd go about isolating vulnerable people when it comes down to it. Will people have to submit their medical history to the state and then anyone considered "at risk" will have to restrict their movements, stay at home or face penalties? That sounds like a police state to me. Many people who are over 70 or have underlying conditions are perfectly healthy, live full lives, work full time etc. What about people who have underlying conditions they aren't aware of? I don't personally see that as being more workable than the current approach. No country has even attempted that as far as I can find out. Not to mention the fact that the virus would then freely spread through the rest of the population and as we've seen some healthy people can get sick and die also (1%?) and others have a long lasting illness. I wasn't just old people dying in those tents outside hospitals in Milan unfortunately.

nannerbenahs

More new ´´cases´´ is not a cause for worry, it´s actually good news, especially since these ´´cases´´ are not actually dying or even symptomatic. Surely any surge in such new cases means we don´t need any further action or a rushed vaccine, as this shows that a large percentage of the population has already been exposed and has according to the normal age-old methods of Mother Nature, successfully neutralised the power of this particular threat.
Surely we have flattened that March curve by now!!

i_surge

nannerbenahs wrote: »

More new ´´cases´´ is not a cause for worry, it´s actually good news, especially since these ´´cases´´ are not actually dying or even symptomatic. Surely any surge in such new cases means we don´t need any further action or a rushed vaccine, as this shows that a large percentage of the population has already been exposed and has according to the normal age-old methods of Mother Nature, successfully neutralised the power of this particular threat.
Surely we have flattened that March curve by now!!

If only that wasn't completely wrong.

An increase in cases is not a good thing. It multiplies remember.

nannerbenahs

Why are the authorities everywhere emphasising the ´´case´´ numbers and not the current miniscule ´´death´´ and actual ´´illness´´ numbers? They will mention the ´´cumulative death count´´ of course as it´s guaranteed to rise, but not the fact that the death rate now has gone to practically zero. The virus has effectively been neutralised, but according to those who´s wishes count in this world and have control of the international narrative through their control of mainstream media, the ´´new normal´´ in all its horror, must be fully established and maintained.
The real vaccine needed is the vaccine against ´´fear´´ and stupidity as brilliantly put by a frontline experienced doctor (Dr Benito I think was his name) on Thursday from Madrid´s main hospital when being interviewed on Spanish TV.
The TV anchors had a virtual meltdown as this doctor shaking his head and with a wry grin, went confidently of script, telling the ´´truth´´ about the prolongation of the pandemic and these unsuitable and unreliable pcr tests and the general massaging of statistics etc.
It will probably be a long time before he gets another chance to enlighten the Spanish populace, if indeed he even has a job next week.

i_surge

nannerbenahs wrote: »

Why are the authorities everywhere emphasising the ´´case´´ numbers and not the current miniscule ´´death´´ and actual ´´illness´´ numbers? They will mention the ´´cumulative death count´´ of course as it´s guaranteed to rise, but not the fact that the death rate now has gone to practically zero. The virus has effectively been neutralised, but according to those who´s wishes count in this world and have control of the international narrative through their control of mainstream media, the ´´new normal´´ in all its horror, must be fully established and maintained.
The real vaccine needed is the vaccine against ´´fear´´ and stupidity as brilliantly put by a frontline experienced doctor (Dr Benito I think was his name) on Thursday from Madrid´s main hospital when being interviewed on Spanish TV.
The TV anchors had a virtual meltdown as this doctor shaking his head and with a wry grin, went confidently of script, telling the ´´truth´´ about the prolongation of the pandemic and these unsuitable and unreliable pcr tests and the general massaging of statistics etc.
It will probably be a long time before he gets another chance to enlighten the Spanish populace, if indeed he even has a job next week.

Post count 3, how is it in Moscow at moment?

boggerman1

Whatever official in the dept of health or nhpet came up with the bs of having to mask up to walk to a table in a restaurant slash pub is taking the piss.we are all worse for going along with this.its not worth the hassle eating out anymore

odyssey06

boggerman1 wrote: »

Whatever official in the dept of health or nhpet came up with the bs of having to mask up to walk to a table in a restaurant slash pub is taking the piss.we are all worse for going along with this.its not worth the hassle eating out anymore

It's the same in France and Spain I believe.
Not something invented here.

nannerbenahs

A journalist called Ben Swann who runs Truth in Media did a nice video showing that there have been major studies every year for the last seven, all showing the ineffectiveness of masks (even surgical specialist ones) in protecting either onself or others from your germs and viruses.
Try a test with a vaping cigarette and you will see that when wearing a mask you exhale, the smoke will come out everywhere from the mask, the sides, the nose, the front etc. It´s actually funny to observe.
Remember Fauci in March, relying on these major studies, condemned the use of masks, but now he has changed his tune and these studies will be pushed to page 100 of any google search..why? The answer..It´s a different agenda...nothing to do with public health.
Any inteligent person can see that wearing a mask (especially for a long period) is an incredibly dirty and unhealthy thing. It will put up blood pressure as you are re- inhaling instead of expelling Carbondioxide. Any virus will be happy as it has an enhanced environment in which to live and multiply. It´s sad to see fragile people and fat unhealthy people panting and struggling for breath everywhere. Psychologically too the mask is a disaster, especially for small children and their need to connect with the facial expression of their parents. It is also the perfect symbol of enslavement.. Now who would want that?

i_surge

nannerbenahs wrote: »

A journalist called Ben Swann who runs Truth in Media did a nice video showing that there have been major studies every year for the last seven, all showing the ineffectiveness of masks (even surgical specialist ones) in protecting either onself or others from your germs and viruses.
Try a test with a vaping cigarette and you will see that when wearing a mask you exhale, the smoke will come out everywhere from the mask, the sides, the nose, the front etc. It´s actually funny to observe.
Remember Fauci in March, relying on these major studies, condemned the use of masks, but now he has changed his tune and these studies will be pushed to page 100 of any google search..why? The answer..It´s a different agenda...nothing to do with public health.
Any inteligent person can see that wearing a mask (especially for a long period) is an incredibly dirty and unhealthy thing. It will put up blood pressure as you are re- inhaling instead of expelling Carbondioxide. Any virus will be happy as it has an enhanced environment in which to live and multiply. It´s sad to see fragile people and fat unhealthy people panting and struggling for breath everywhere. Psychologically too the mask is a disaster, especially for small children and their need to connect with the facial expression of their parents. It is also the perfect symbol of enslavement.. Now who would want that?

Very transparent troll farm action.

hynesie08

boggerman1 wrote: »

Whatever official in the dept of health or nhpet came up with the bs of having to mask up to walk to a table in a restaurant slash pub is taking the piss.we are all worse for going along with this.its not worth the hassle eating out anymore

Go to resteraunt/bar-take off mask-give details-take seat

Go to resteraunt/bar-give details-take seat-take off mask.

Failing to see the massive difference to be honest....

Penfailed

nannerbenahs wrote: »

Try a test with a vaping cigarette and you will see that when wearing a mask you exhale, the smoke will come out everywhere from the mask, the sides, the nose, the front etc. It´s actually funny to observe.

It will put up blood pressure as you are re- inhaling instead of expelling Carbondioxide.

As you've posted, when exhaling vape, the smoke/vape/air/CO2 goes everywhere. You're not re-inhaling carbon dioxide as it's already been expelled everywhere. The purpose of a mask isn't to stop air getting in and out, it's to stop droplets. There's so much misinformation and misunderstanding going around that it's not helping anyone.

nannerbenahs

That´s great,.... Introduce a little ´´russophobia´´ when an intelligent contrarian point is made.

Using this type of technique might have the effect of making some people wonder where (or on who´s behalf) you are writing
!!

i_surge

nannerbenahs wrote: »

That´s great,.... Introduce a little ´´russophobia´´ when an intelligent contrarian point is made.

Using this type of technique might have the effect of making some people wonder where (or on who´s behalf) you are writing
!!

Your posts aren't intelligent.

I love russians actually but it is a thing, the auld dissemination of dangerous info for malicious purposes.

_Kaiser_

i_surge wrote: »

If only that wasn't completely wrong.

An increase in cases is not a good thing. It multiplies remember.

I'll keep saying this... So?

New cases just means new people have caught a virus that has little to no effect on most of them (thankfully!)

The OUTCOME of those cases is the important thing, and the outcome all along is that there have been very few deaths for a pandemic (and taking out the scandal of the nursing homes), very few serious cases, and many of those cases didn't even know they had it.

I read on this or another thread that the virus may be burning/mutating itself out and I think this is very possible and has been the case for a while now.

nannerbenahs

Penfailed wrote: »

As you've posted, when exhaling vape, the smoke/vape/air/CO2 goes everywhere. You're not re-inhaling carbon dioxide as it's already been expelled everywhere. The purpose of a mask isn't to stop air getting in and out, it's to stop droplets. There's so much misinformation and misunderstanding going around that it's not helping anyone.

Droplets are not primary carriers of the virus, but aerosols which cannot be stopped by masks. Anyway if you are going to do a major sneeze, there is usually a warning feeling and surely you are not going to blast it into your beautiful designer mask, but you´ll take off the mask quickly and use a hankerchief, just like you did before covid.

i_surge

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I'll keep saying this... So?

New cases just means new people have caught a virus that has little to no effect on most of them (thankfully!)

The OUTCOME of those cases is the important thing, and the outcome all along is that there have been very few deaths for a pandemic (and taking out the scandal of the nursing homes), very few serious cases, and many of those cases didn't even know they had it.

I read on this or another thread that the virus may be burning/mutating itself out and I think this is very possible and has been the case for a while now.

Can you look at latin america and tell me how great multiplication of cases is?

I'm unsure about the mutation thing, hard to know and I don't think we have gotten an answer. Very open to hearing credible sources on this.

I think it is more likely we are erring into a false sense of security. Situations evolve quickly with this thing. The middle east seemed almost immune to it for a while, then boom.

MadYaker

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I'll keep saying this... So?

New cases just means new people have caught a virus that has little to no effect on most of them (thankfully!)

The OUTCOME of those cases is the important thing, and the outcome all along is that there have been very few deaths for a pandemic (and taking out the scandal of the nursing homes), very few serious cases, and many of those cases didn't even know they had it.

I read on this or another thread that the virus may be burning/mutating itself out and I think this is very possible and has been the case for a while now.

"I read something that lined up my with my personal views and so I believed it without question"

Larger numbers of cases can only lead to larger numbers of deaths, though still small it seems to be around 1% or so. Id be in favour of some measures of control. 1% of Ireland is 45,000 people. Easy to dismiss until it's someone you know getting sick or dying.

FintanMcluskey

MadYaker wrote: »

"I read something that lined up my with my personal views and so I believed it without question"

Larger numbers of cases can only lead to larger numbers of deaths, though still small it seems to be around 1% or so. Id be in favour of some measures of control. 1% of Ireland is 45,000 people. Easy to dismiss until it's someone you know getting sick or dying.

Its not 1% or anywhere near it for under 65's though, in fact for the 1 million kids returning to school this week there is practically no risk for them

nannerbenahs

i_surge wrote: »

Your posts aren't intelligent.

I love russians actually but it is a thing, the auld dissemination of dangerous info for malicious purposes.

And where did you learn that phrase about malicious Russian disinformation?
Do you really think Russia gives a damn about boards.ie
Being an Irishman, albeit living in Spain, I actually do care that our country and culture is being strangled by misinfornation.
Why don´t you mention my point about Dr Benito in Madrid.
He is the kind of guy that people will really listen to, a real doctor with the courage to speak out. My point is that it was pure luck that he got to speak even for a couple of minutes on Spanish national TV ..an accident, and there´s not a chance that RTE or Newstalk would let any expert be heard who was not willing to go along with all the official narrative of lockdowns masks, social distancing etc.
Why is all media working in LOCKSTEP? Answer that!