Star Trek: Lower Decks (animated series)

Evade · 15-08-2020 06:05PM

Reason to watch something you don't like:

To make fun of it.
Masochism, watching them beat the now dead horse of one of your favourite franchises.
Self Delusion, hoping it will get better.
Crippling self doubt, everyone else says it's good so it must be.

TheValeyard · 15-08-2020 06:35PM

Evade wrote: »

Reason to watch something you don't like:
To make fun of it.

Masochism, watching them beat the now dead horse of one of your favourite franchises.

Self Delusion, hoping it will get better.

Crippling self doubt, everyone else says it's good so it must be.

Ahhh, sounds like the crew of a Miranda class starship!

JayRoc · 15-08-2020 06:48PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

enlighten me, why would someone watch something they do not like just because some person on the internet said they would ?

I know if i do not like something I cease watching it,which is what I did.
why someone feels do defensive to claim others will keep watching is bizarre and very defensive

You might not get it yourself, and that's fair enough.

But you said that no one would watch a show that they had previously not liked; we have examples (above) that as mad as it sounds it isn't always the case.

I've done it myself; hoping something gets better, maybe even getting a perverse enjoyment of seeing how low something can get..who knows.

I guess the point is, just because a particular person thinks a certain way, it doesn't mean other people do.

I'd say you're probably as well to leave it at that, tbh

Justin Credible Darts · 15-08-2020 08:34PM

JayRoc wrote: »

I guess the point is, just because a particular person thinks a certain way, it doesn't mean other people do.

spot on....and that was the point I was making when someone was telling others what they would and would not watch.

Rawr · 16-08-2020 08:24AM

Just watched the first 2 episodes of Lower Decks now. I didn't expect to like it, in fact I was a little afraid I'd end up hating it. But...it was ok, I actually enjoyed bits of it. The Command Training was pretty funny as shown earlier. (I need to lookup "The Janeway Protocol")

Everything is a bit manic, but not to the degree that I originally feared. It's a silly show...but it's ok. About as silly as Final Space, which I did enjoy.

What I find remarkable about Lower Decks, is that for the first time in the guts of nearly 2 decades, it actually feels like I'm watching something that belongs in the TNG universe. (I can't count Picard alas, it references TNG but feels like Discovery)

The ship looks TNG, the interiors and props look TNG, and they have actual Klingons. This feels like a show that has been made by some people who have actually enjoyed pre-JJ Abrams Star Trek. I get the feeling that Kurtzman / Secret Hideout's involvement must have been minimal since a lot their trademark screwups appear to be missing.

This is the most Trek show I have seen in a good long while. It's an not incredibly good show, but it makes for a good 20-odd minute Trek cartoon that does not disappoint me like some of the more recent live-action offerings.

I do however feel like they should stop saying that it is "in cannon". This show clearly respects TNG cannon, but it should be allowed to play outside of that cannon. Just call it what it is; a TNG Parody. There's nothing wrong with that.

Rawr · 16-08-2020 08:29AM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Dont watch if you havent seen episode Two.

I thought it was very funny

I was trying to figure it out when I was watching that episode...but is that a Cardassian Tactical Officer there on the bridge? Hard to tell with the art style.

Greyjoy · 16-08-2020 10:16AM

Slydice wrote: »

... was a bit easy to figure out before the reveal.

That part for me summed up the show in a nutshell - it had a good core concept but the writers laid it on so thick it came across very ham-fisted & obvious.

AMKC · 16-08-2020 11:06AM

Rawr wrote: »

I was trying to figure it out when I was watching that episode...but is that a Cardassian Tactical Officer there on the bridge? Hard to tell with the art style.

Hard to tell. It could be or it could be another race or maybe like Spock or Belanna and half of two races. I thought he looked a bit Klingon like myself half Klingon maybe.

AMKC · 18-08-2020 09:56AM

So I was wondering recently myself when about is Lower Decks set in and low and behold woke up this morning and the site "Den of Geek" have it as been set in 2380 so 1 year after Nemesis and 2 years after Voyager got home. I would link it but can not do on the mobile so maybe someone else will. Anyway just nice to know and thought everyone in here would like to know that too.

Rawr · 18-08-2020 10:22AM

AMKC wrote: »

So I was wondering recently myself when about is Lower Decks set in and low and behold woke up this morning and the site "Den of Geek" have it as been set in 2380 so 1 year after Nemesis and 2 years after Voyager got home. I would link it but can not do on the mobile so maybe someone else will. Anyway just nice to know and thought everyone in here would like to know that too.

I think I remember reading similar. It would make sense given that they're flying around in a kit-bash of a Galaxy Class, Phasers are TNG style and the intro had D'deridex Class warbirds fighting the Borg. So very TNG / late TNG style stuff going on.

The last episode had a reference to Janeway there, which would suggest a time after Voyager had gotten home with enough time passed for that Captain to be a household name.

Also the Bajoran security cheif makes me wonder if he's one of the many Bajoran's who joined Starfleet on their own intiative, or if Bajor has actually joined the Federation and that he's been transferred in from the Bajoran Militia.

Evade · 18-08-2020 10:24AM

The stardate is only a few increments up from the last latest known stardate. That's how I figured it out at least.

FutureGuy · 20-08-2020 08:36AM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Why would he ?
because you said it ?
You do know most people do not continue to watch things they dont like.
For me I never watched the animated series, saw one episode of lower decks and it was more than enough.

you declaring things as if they were fact does not make it fact.
Just because some people dont like something you like, should not mean you should get so defensive.

Ok Darts.

Goodshape · 20-08-2020 12:12PM

Episode 3:

Eh, pretty weak. Both the A and B story were just not very interesting or fun, and I can't stand Mariner. What's the point in having a "lower decks" character if she's already so damn good at everything she does, with the attitude to match.

The references to previous Trek characters are all a bit on-the-nose too.

TheValeyard · 20-08-2020 02:10PM

Rawr wrote: »

I think I remember reading similar. It would make sense given that they're flying around in a kit-bash of a Galaxy Class, Phasers are TNG style and the intro had D'deridex Class warbirds fighting the Borg. So very TNG / late TNG style stuff going on.

The last episode had a reference to Janeway there, which would suggest a time after Voyager had gotten home with enough time passed for that Captain to be a household name.

Also the Bajoran security cheif makes me wonder if he's one of the many Bajoran's who joined Starfleet on their own intiative, or if Bajor has actually joined the Federation and that he's been transferred in from the Bajoran Militia.

Think Bajor would have joined the Federation since the prophecy of the plague of locusts (Jem Hader attack ships) has passed.

FutureGuy · 20-08-2020 03:56PM

another great episode. The nostalgia alone is worth it.

Stark · 20-08-2020 04:03PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Think Bajor would have joined the Federation since the prophecy of the plague of locusts (Jem Hader attack ships) has passed.

There were Bajorans in Starfleet even without Bajor joining Federation. Ensign Ro and Ensign Sito (from the TNG Lower decks episode) for instance.

Evade · 20-08-2020 05:21PM

Still no sign of an official release?

TheValeyard · 20-08-2020 05:24PM

Stark wrote: »

There were Bajorans in Starfleet even without Bajor joining Federation. Ensign Ro and Ensign Sito (from the TNG Lower decks episode) for instance.

This is also true

Spear · 20-08-2020 05:28PM

I thought episode 2 was very bland, and three was a significant improvement.

The aspect that I appreciate most, is when it takes more subversive jabs at Trekdom, e.g. two fisted punch, great bird of the galaxy, and was that a reference to Miles O'Brien at Work at the end? These are far more preferable to the on-the-nose callbacks.

Goodshape · 20-08-2020 05:39PM

Spear wrote: »

two fisted punch, great bird of the galaxy, and was that a reference to Miles O'Brien at Work at the end? These are far more preferable to the on-the-nose callbacks.

I thought those were the on-the-nose callbacks

Like he didn't just do some two-fisted punches, he paused for a moment and named them before doing it. And the great bird and Miles O'Brien were just words being said, they didn't have any relevance.

But anyway, I don't mind those too much -- there's just maybe too much of them! But I'm not sure I'm going to warm much to Mariner. Feel like she's suffocating the other characters.

20-08-2020 07:08PM

Mariner has one major problem. She's exactly like one of the senior crew, just demoted back to lower decks

Goodshape · 20-08-2020 07:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Mariner has one major problem. She's exactly like one of the senior crew, just demoted back to lower decks

Yet also like a toddler on a sugar rush.

Everyone else seems like a fun send-up of a typical Starfleet character; like if you just dial back the comedy quirks you could see them blending into a normal crew. Mariner's just all quirks.

Slydice · 20-08-2020 09:03PM

3: Some old school tng feel at the start with the log and ship in warp. Then some story some daft. Had a lol at the most important person ever

FutureGuy · 21-08-2020 08:21AM

Two-handed fist fighting. :pac::pac::pac:

Rawr · 21-08-2020 09:10AM

Stark wrote: »

There were Bajorans in Starfleet even without Bajor joining Federation. Ensign Ro and Ensign Sito (from the TNG Lower decks episode) for instance.

Very true. The main reason I wonder if he's ex-Bajoran Militia are his scars. Would suggest someone who was also a member of the Bajoran Resistance and had been injured fighting the Cardassians. Those people had a knack of becoming Militia after Bajor regained independence and would probably only become Starfleet officers if Bajor joined the Federation.

Of course he could have also joined Starfleet on his own initiative, and his scars might not have anything to do with the Cardassians. Mostly just curious if Bajor actually joined the Federation in the end.

Stark · 22-08-2020 02:50PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

Two-handed fist fighting. :pac::pac::pac:

Bit of a missed opportunity to splice in stunt doubles mid scene there

GSPfan · 23-08-2020 10:44AM

I liked the third episode. Two fisted fighting was enough to get me laughing.

I’m so used to watching Futurama (which is my favourite ever animated show) where the references to Star Trek are plentiful and funny when they arrive. I forget I’m watching an actual Star Trek branded show when I’m watching this and it’s confusing me. Ha.

Mariner is a pain. She will be the Michael Burnham of this show for me where I never really want to watch an episode twice because the main character annoys me.

Rawr · 23-08-2020 11:35AM

GSPfan wrote: »

Mariner is a pain. She will be the Michael Burnham of this show for me where I never really want to watch an episode twice because the main character annoys me.

I'm starting to feel this way too. She's not as bad a Burnham, possibly because I'm treating this is a parody of Trek.

The rest of the crew are kind not that bad though. I kind of liked Capt. Mariner in this one, her exhasperated captaincy of a ship of losers is a fun reflection of the usual "best of the best" Starfleet we often get in any given Trek show

She also had one of my favourite references of the episode.
"No-one wants to go to Cardassia Prime!"
Which makes perfect sense since it was only a handful of years since the place was levelled by the Dominion. I imagine it would still be a depressing place to visit by the time of this show.

AMKC · 23-08-2020 10:10PM

I liked this third episode. Much better than the second episode. I thought the security guy and the Cammander were idiots but they stopped been before the end of it. As for Marineer. Well at least she is well known now anyway so what they have done with her as worked but yes she can be annoying but was not too bad in this episode. She did seem like she had stepped up a few places on the ship do, what working alongside the Cammander and all. The Captain went a bit crazy there lol.

TheValeyard · 23-08-2020 11:18PM

I enjoyed it. Particularly that last scene! Loved the references to TOS also.

I think the time of 22-24 minutes works well, does what its meant to, anymore would be a bit much, any less would be too rushed.

Star Trek: Lower Decks (animated series)

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