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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Our local primary school has just sent a mail about staggered starting and finishing times . Also will be sending a detailed picture of where to stand in the yard and where parents have to stand for pick up. Markings in the yard for each class etc
    Its good to hear from the school and about the methods they are using


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Our local primary school has just sent a mail about staggered starting and finishing times . Also will be sending a detailed picture of where to stand in the yard and where parents have to stand for pick up. Markings in the yard for each class etc
    Its good to hear from the school and about the methods they are using

    Genuine question, as my school has decided on multiple entry points rather than staggered times. Do you think diff start times makes any difference when they're going to be all in the same building for 6 hours a day anyway?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Mossie1975


    Impressed with local school. Have separate meetings next week for each Junior Infant starting to visit the school. Think it’s because their first day at school will be very different from other years (no parents in etc.)


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    amacca wrote: »
    Example from secondary here so take ftom it what you will

    My OH didnt quite do that but was setting assignments, putting screen recordings up etc 3 times a week for most classes (+ using tablet to correct give feedback etc) that only lasted brfore the school came back telling teachers to tone it back due to the large volume of complaints about the undue stress it was causing coming from parents and stundents

    The initial multiple contacts was at the behest of the principal (i myself felt it was probably counter productive)
    But i can see why the wanted that way after all who doesnt want to be the best boy in the class even if its counter productive for others


    Anyway, even at the once or twice a week assignments + correcting and sending back corrections she was working long days about 5 long days a week and then a half day...occasionally there was a break of a full day off and once two days (where all corrections were back and new assignments had been set but not returned yet)


    After about 4 weeks of this (i was sort of bemused) she came to me saying it she coulfnt keep doing tbis we sat down and we worked out she was spending hours communicating with kids who were not submitting work or what looked a lot to me like deliberately misunderstanding /pretending not to understand to get out of work......i told she had to be kess of a martyr and just do her best....send the emails of names of kids not engaging or deliberately shirking to management and let thrm do thr chasing (part of me thinks its only being done so they cant be accused if not doing it anyway)

    Even at that she was still working well into the evenings during the working week....

    The whole spiel about students taking responsibility for their own learning amuses me sometimes.....what that looks like is suffering consequences if you have been instructed properly and received the materials and resources needed to do your work and you havent.....not demonising all teachers because of some that don't toe the line.....

    Then there was a group of oarents that wanted cimmunication at the start of the week but not coming up to the weekend and another quite vocal group that didnt want it too early in the morning and another parent that insisted it should be first thing in the morning.......:confused: as if they couldn't choose to read the email at the time of the day they wanted themselves or tell their kids no devices until x times

    Tldr maybe one clear communication once a week with an apprprite level of work and backup explanation + the correction feedback and a reasonable deadline is appropriate for distance learnimg rather than badger them day in day out....i think it certainly is more than enough for secondary anywsy where ther could be 9 or 10 classes in play and well over a hundted students to try work with....a certain petcentage of whom genuinely need individual help

    Just a thought

    I didn't bombard students with daily emails. Provided
    work. Resources. Made myself available everyday.No email went unanswered. Contacted all those not engaging.
    Where I felt out of my depth was in zoom or other forums.never got clarity on usage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Our local primary school has just sent a mail about staggered starting and finishing times . Also will be sending a detailed picture of where to stand in the yard and where parents have to stand for pick up. Markings in the yard for each class etc
    Its good to hear from the school and about the methods they are using
    Local school also has brand new lines in the yard. Lots of scrubbing going on today as well.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Genuine question, as my school has decided on multiple entry points rather than staggered times. Do you think diff start times makes any difference when they're going to be all in the same building for 6 hours a day anyway?

    Of course not. It's about making parents feel better about sending their kids back into a herd immunity project environment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0820/1160304-coronavirus-politics/



    This is seriously so aggravating. The government does have an option. Phased opening and blended learning options. That's what our children have a right to.

    School is not a controlled environment, any more than the work place is where they have advised everyone to work from home wherever possible. PPE is not being required in primary, and studies show that children over the age of 10 can become infected and spread at the same rate as adults. More likely to be asymptomatic too which is very worrying of course.
    And as we ALL know, social distancing in the classroom is a FARCE as there is simply not the space to accommodate as has been well discussed here.

    People don't need to have faith, we need to have a stricter adherence to what the science is telling us and roll those plans out accordingly. :mad:
    So lots of concerns and a very vague solution at the end. What does that look like exactly?


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    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Genuine question, as my school has decided on multiple entry points rather than staggered times. Do you think diff start times makes any difference when they're going to be all in the same building for 6 hours a day anyway?

    I presume there are internal walls and doors


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    The direction from schools and department appalling.
    On online stuff
    Having seen teachers bullied online YouTube with videos recorded in class I was not going to run a risk with zoom

    Used Google classroom but never felt totally happy with it . Remember teaching is a solitary profession.
    A more centralised approach needed next few months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭Digs


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Genuine question, as my school has decided on multiple entry points rather than staggered times. Do you think diff start times makes any difference when they're going to be all in the same building for 6 hours a day anyway?

    Our school only has one point of entry and exit but also parents won’t be accompanying the children into the school for 6 hours a day. It’s to avoid a whole heap of parents descending on a small space all at once.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 331 ✭✭Alex86Eire


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    The direction from schools and department appalling.
    On online stuff
    Having seen teachers bullied online YouTube with videos recorded in class I was not going to run a risk with zoom

    Used Google classroom but never felt totally happy with it . Remember teaching is a solitary profession.
    A more centralised approach needed next few months.

    On Google Classroom it can be helpful to add other teachers in your department to your online classes. A few people in my department wouldn't have been fantastic with technology so when I made a video on a topic I'd throw it into their class groups too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Digs wrote: »
    Our school only has one point of entry and exit but also parents won’t be accompanying the children into the school for 6 hours a day. It’s to avoid a whole heap of parents descending on a small space all at once.
    It is good to see that some planning is now beginning to emerge. It may not be perfect from Day 1 but if it's been reasonably thought out it should do the job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Genuine question, as my school has decided on multiple entry points rather than staggered times. Do you think diff start times makes any difference when they're going to be all in the same building for 6 hours a day anyway?

    Yes definitely will for our school
    . Its a huge school in an estate and the paths are chock a block at start time normally
    . It also has multiple entry points so that will help as their are 4 first classes for example

    It will definitely help keep adults apart .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Our local primary school has just sent a mail about staggered starting and finishing times . Also will be sending a detailed picture of where to stand in the yard and where parents have to stand for pick up. Markings in the yard for each class etc
    Its good to hear from the school and about the methods they are using

    I have no concerns regarding drop offs and collections. These are the easy part. The issue is that nothing in schools is difffernt before besides less clutter and the best attempt we can do at spacing which is nowhere near 2m. It just depends if people are comfortable with this. Parents won't be in the classrooms to see but its at best 1m at worst not even. So it depends if people are OK with that or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I have no concerns regarding drop offs and collections. These are the easy part. The issue is that nothing in schools is difffernt before besides less clutter and the best attempt we can do at spacing which is nowhere near 2m. It just depends if people are comfortable with this. Parents won't be in the classrooms to see but its at best 1m at worst not even. So it depends if people are OK with that or not.

    Depends on the school . Our school is huge and in an estate . The paths ate crowded with adults and children
    The yard is packed with multiple lines all bundled on top of each other so staggered start will be a huge help for our school
    A little positivity never goes astry I find


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I presume there are internal walls and doors

    And the school bus?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    And the school bus?

    Apparently they have a special force field that prevents Covid19 from entering the bus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Yes definitely will for our school
    . Its a huge school in an estate and the paths are chock a block at start time normally
    . It also has multiple entry points so that will help as their are 4 first classes for example

    It will definitely help keep adults apart .

    That's fair. I'm secondary so parents feature less in my thoughts, (they stay in the suv!) so thanks for that concise answer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,888 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Apparently they have a special force field that prevents Covid19 from entering the bus.

    Steve Jobs's reality distortion field perhaps...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So lots of concerns and a very vague solution at the end. What does that look like exactly?

    It looks like those 10 years of age or older wear masks, and as I've already said and was not at all vague about - phased opening and blended learning option.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Depends on the school . Our school is huge and in an estate . The paths ate crowded with adults and children
    The yard is packed with multiple lines all bundled on top of each other so staggered start will be a huge help for our school
    A little positivity never goes astry I find

    That's fair enough but just pointing out that similar to shopping centre that is tbe easy part. It's the six hours inside that is a risk. Look positivity is fine but being realistic isn't negative. Teachers are aware of the issues so all im pointing out is that yes dropping off your child can be managed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    That's fair. I'm secondary so parents feature less in my thoughts, (they stay in the suv!) so thanks for that concise answer.
    Primary schools in large estates can be a real problem in the morning . In fact ever before Covid parents asked for staggered times as the yard was chaotic . It will be good to see order for once !!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Primary schools in large estates can be a real problem in the morning . In fact ever before Covid parents asked for staggered times as the yard was chaotic . It will be good to see order for once !!

    That's good. Staggered times are no harm in general.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    That's fair enough but just pointing out that similar to shopping centre that is tbe easy part. It's the six hours inside that is a risk. Look positivity is fine but being realistic isn't negative. Teachers are aware of the issues so all im pointing out is that yes dropping off your child can be managed.
    Sorry , I understand your point its just that everything I post is nit picked and it does bug me . Thats not aimed at you by the way .
    Parents have made suggestions and invariably someone will pop along and find faults with it .It gets tiresome to be honest
    Parents are just trying their best for their children and are caught between a rock and a hard place . A little reassurance and positivity from teachers would really help the anxiety out there
    Again not aimed at you but this thread is very negative , our school has tried to be positive and reassuring . We all know it will be hard but we all know that we have to keep trying for the children


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭Sunday Sunday


    We're getting a full school tour on site (parents only) of the new school set up next week. I thought it was a nice touch and inclusive approach, hopefully put us more at ease with things.

    Students then back for a day each (per year group) solely for induction so they can get to grips with the new procedures etc.

    I feel a bit better about it now that communication has started albeit a bit late in the day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Sorry , I understand your point its just that everything I post is nit picked and it does bug me . Thats not aimed at you by the way .
    Parents have made suggestions and invariably someone will pop along and find faults with it .It gets tiresome to be honest
    Parents are just trying their best for their children and are caught between a rock and a hard place . A little reassurance and positivity from teachers would really help the anxiety out there
    Again not aimed at you but this thread is very negative , our school has tried to be positive and reassuring . We all know it will be hard but we all know that we have to keep trying for the children

    The only thing I could in good conscience do is reassure parents that I will do my best with the current circumstances. Bigger classes are going to have a very hard time even trying to keep the metre. I don't feel its doing anyone any favours by lying to parents. All any of us can say is that we now have had no choice and no say so we will do our best with the situation we have been placed in and keep everyone as safe as we can. It really is not our job to reassure people that something I don't personally consider safe is safe if you know what I mean. I couldn't in good conscience do that. In all honestly if I had a high risk person at home I don't know if I would send a child in. Even without one I would have my doubts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    We're getting a full school tour on site (parents only) of the new school set up next week. I thought it was a nice touch and inclusive approach, hopefully put us more at ease with things.

    Students then back for a day each (per year group) solely for induction so they can get to grips with the new procedures etc.

    I feel a bit better about it now that communication has started albeit a bit late in the day.

    How many different households in at the same time is that? Doesn't sound at all like that is keeping to guidelines, despite the fact its a nice idea and practical in normal circumstances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    The only thing I could in good conscience do is reassure parents that I will do my best with the current circumstances. Bigger classes are going to have a very hard time even trying to keep the metre. I don't feel its doing anyone any favours by lying to parents. All any of us can say is that we now have had no choice and no say so we will do our best with the situation we have been placed in and keep everyone as safe as we can. It really is not our job to reassure people that something I don't personally consider safe is safe if you know what I mean. I couldn't in good conscience do that. In all honestly if I had a high risk person at home I don't know if I would send a child in. Even without one I would have my doubts.

    I worked on a paeds ward for years . It was busy , lacked staff , needed a deep clean every day , was manically busy to the point of dangerous at times . But I tried my best to reassure parents and the children came first even if it meant we got no breaks and no food . My point is in a long winded way was we knew the failings but also knew that the parents and children needed us to be calm and reassuring .
    This thread if read by the public does none of that .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I worked on a paeds ward for years . It was busy , lacked staff , needed a deep clean every day , was manically busy to the point of dangerous at times . But I tried my best to reassure parents and the children came first even if it meant we got no breaks and no food . My point is in a long winded way was we knew the failings but also knew that the parents and children needed us to be calm and reassuring .
    This thread if read by the public does none of that .

    To be fair, if anyone is coming to boards for reassurance, they need their head checked :)

    Parents and students will be cared for as best as is possible in the current circumstances


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    You should all be much more positive about the crap plan


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