How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Smacruairi

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I have watched it a few times and genuinely I have no clue what she is saying ?

She is saying the measures are insufficient and not in keeping with guidelines for every other place of work. It significantly increases the risk of exposure to all present in the room. What bit did you not hear?

iamwhoiam

Smacruairi wrote: »

She is saying the measures are insufficient and not in keeping with guidelines for every other place of work. It significantly increases the risk of exposure to all present in the room. What bit did you not hear?

Thank you . I heard very little but that could be my old ears !

Sunday Sunday

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

At times. They have been enabled by a principal who doesn't impose proper boundaries.

You'd think you'd have a moat around that kingdom to protect from all those pesky parents.

Dempo1

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Is that a perspex screen?

Yes and beyond ludicrous as was MM"s decision to have a photo op at a drum kit, he got a roasting from a Dublin based school teacher which made up for this silliness

wirelessdude01

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

You'd think you'd have a moat around that kingdom to protect from all those pesky parents.

Out of office is my moat.

Some parents just seem to think we can change things just to suit their particular needs. Three schools trying to organise things is a big endeavour. Changing time slots which are allocated using two different metrics isn't possible so they need to realise this.

donaghs

Smacruairi wrote: »

She is saying the measures are insufficient and not in keeping with guidelines for every other place of work. It significantly increases the risk of exposure to all present in the room. What bit did you not hear?

What’s she proposing? What are the risks?
So much anxiety and scaremongering.

wirelessdude01

Love the moment during that 'chat' when Mehole can't formulate an answer so just shrugs his shoulders while holding his hands slightly out. Says it all really.

tayto lover

Can’t see the schools opening anytime soon.
Telling adults to avoid public transport yet expecting children to cram into school buses is contradictory. Only allowing six people from three families to visit your home yet letting loads of kids into the same classroom is also contradictory.
Not allowing people to attend a sporting fixture Or people to go into work but allowing loads of children to assemble together in school is another contradiction.

I could go on but you all know the Government’s recommendations.

donaghs

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Love the moment during that 'chat' when Mehole can't formulate an answer so just shrugs his shoulders while holding his hands slightly out. Says it all really.

Schools have different setups to most workplaces. Kids are also the least risk group. Sweden never closed the primary schools - guess what happened. Nothing.

If your were MM what would you have said/done?

Sunday Sunday

tayto lover wrote: »

Can’t see the schools opening anytime soon.
Telling adults to avoid public transport yet expecting children to cram into school buses is contradictory. Only allowing six people from three families to visit your home yet letting loads of kids into the same classroom is also contradictory.
Not allowing people to attend a sporting fixture Or people to go into work but allowing loads of children to assemble together in school is another contradiction.

I could go on but you all know the Government’s recommendations.

Not many know the current recommendations, its as clear as mud and changing by the minute.

Plenty of people no longer care for the government recommendations either, I can see why given the lack of a joined up plan or communication, it is a joke at this stage.

Unfortunately people are sick and tired of it all and will not pay "recommendations" a blind bit of notice. Even the some of the most cautious people.

The schools will open, you can be assured of that. They really should have opened a few weeks before the scheduled summer holidays.

i_surge

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Not many know the current recommendations, its as clear as mud and changing by the minute.

Plenty of people no longer care for the government recommendations either, I can see why given the lack of a joined up plan or communication, it is a joke at this stage.

Unfortunately people are sick and tired of it all and will not pay "recommendations" a blind bit of notice. Even the some of the most cautious people.

The schools will open, you can be assured of that. They really should have opened a few weeks before the scheduled summer holidays.

Just a lazy excuse for people who can't be arsed doing things right.

road_high

tayto lover wrote: »

Can’t see the schools opening anytime soon.
Telling adults to avoid public transport yet expecting children to cram into school buses is contradictory. Only allowing six people from three families to visit your home yet letting loads of kids into the same classroom is also contradictory.
Not allowing people to attend a sporting fixture Or people to go into work but allowing loads of children to assemble together in school is another contradiction.

I could go on but you all know the Government’s recommendations.

Many are opening from next Tuesday. It’s happening, there’s a plan. The “we’re all gona die” brigade better get used to it.
Or else implement your own alternatives like home- schooling under the prescribed Dept of Ed terms. Education can’t stay stuck in suspended isolation for years while we wait for a vaccine or some other miracle happening

tayto lover

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Not many know the current recommendations, its as clear as mud and changing by the minute.

Plenty of people no longer care for the government recommendations either, I can see why given the lack of a joined up plan or communication, it is a joke at this stage.

Unfortunately people are sick and tired of it all and will not pay "recommendations" a blind bit of notice. Even the some of the most cautious people.

The schools will open, you can be assured of that. They really should have opened a few weeks before the scheduled summer holidays.

I’d like to agree with you but I cannot.
Far too many mixed messages coming out and no clear plan.
As soon as a few teachers contract the virus in schools they’ll be closed again by the Unions.

pjohnson

road_high wrote: »

Many are opening from next Tuesday. It’s happening, there’s a plan. The “we’re all gona die” brigade better get used to it.
Or else implement your own alternatives like home- schooling under the prescribed Dept of Ed terms. Education can’t stay stuck in suspended isolation for years while we wait for a vaccine or some other miracle happening

How long will it stay open is the question at this stage.

Sunday Sunday

i_surge wrote: »

Just a lazy excuse for people who can't be arsed doing things right.

Yeah maybe, was arsed but no longer arsed.

In fairness it is hard to keep up with the day to day changes so can't blame people for not being fully sure of what today's restriction is.

I will say the new government lacks clarity to say the least.

road_high

tayto lover wrote: »

I’d like to agree with you but I cannot.
Far too many mixed messages coming out and no clear plan.
As soon as a few teachers contract the virus in schools they’ll be closed again by the Unions.

Certain schools may close, we’ll see what and if. But there isnt going to be a blanket closure like March, and most certainly not without prescribed alternatives like Teams learning

Leftwaffe

tayto lover wrote: »

Can’t see the schools opening anytime soon.
Telling adults to avoid public transport yet expecting children to cram into school buses is contradictory. Only allowing six people from three families to visit your home yet letting loads of kids into the same classroom is also contradictory.
Not allowing people to attend a sporting fixture Or people to go into work but allowing loads of children to assemble together in school is another contradiction.

I could go on but you all know the Government’s recommendations.

Schools are opening next week. I've just spent the past three weeks getting our ready.

xhomelezz

donaghs wrote: »

Schools have different setups to most workplaces. Kids are also the least risk group. Sweden never closed the primary schools - guess what happened. Nothing.

If your were MM what would you have said/done?

Oh god, apart from all the other wisdom.. Sweden again. Well try to compare Irish school to Swedish school.

am_zarathustra

donaghs wrote: »

Schools have different setups to most workplaces. Kids are also the least risk group. Sweden never closed the primary schools - guess what happened. Nothing.

If your were MM what would you have said/done?

Admitted the plan is madness and a slow return while infection vectors in schools are identified and controlled for??? You know, what other countries have done.

Sweden has a pupil teacher ratio of 12:1, the only class with 12 you'll find in Ireland is the odd Physics or Music class. Sweden spend 6.8% of GDP on education, we spend 3.5%.....so basically half what they spend, their schools are nicer, more modern and better equipped, spending money leads better resources. Comparing education settings in the two countries is madness. Half of Sweden's population live in single person household, I could go on.......comparing Ireland and Sweden epidemiologically is not sensible .....have a look at Israel, similar spending, similar class size, similar plan, 26% off teachers quarantined due to the disastrous opening within a few weeks.

wirelessdude01

donaghs wrote: »

Schools have different setups to most workplaces. Kids are also the least risk group. Sweden never closed the primary schools - guess what happened. Nothing.

If your were MM what would you have said/done?

I'd have answered truthfully but see that's kinda hard when they are making it up as they go along.
Further clarification on stuff coming from NPHET week regarding schools. Some secondary schools have kids in next Tuesday.
Bus transportation being changed today.

This approach is so slapstick you'd have to laugh of you weren't directly involved.

i_surge

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Yeah maybe, was arsed but no longer arsed.

In fairness it is hard to keep up with the day to day changes so can't blame people for not being fully sure of what today's restriction is.

I will say the new government lacks clarity to say the least.

At least you are honest, and hoping you aren't a principal.

Lack of clarity and full of contradictions, I agree but that is no reason to start taking the piss, many will use it as a license. Same in the UK with cummings.

i_surge

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Yeah maybe, was arsed but no longer arsed.

In fairness it is hard to keep up with the day to day changes so can't blame people for not being fully sure of what today's restriction is.

I will say the new government lacks clarity to say the least.

I would also say it is not about the government but about the science of it.

Common sense and basic principles.

Like the bus thing, it makes sense but you can't be arsed doing something that halves (or more) the risk for those kids getting buses.

Also if the right thing is done, it means less parents forced to do their own thing for their risk appetite and a smoother experience for all.

wirelessdude01

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

The schools will open, you can be assured of that. They really should have opened a few weeks before the scheduled summer holidays.

We all want them open, bloody problem will be keeping them open. If people don't do what they are asked/encouraged to do then the numbers are only gonna get worse.

i_surge

am_zarathustra wrote: »

Admitted the plan is madness and a slow return while infection vectors in schools are identified and controlled for??? You know, what other countries have done.

Sweden has a pupil teacher ratio of 12:1, the only class with 12 you'll find in Ireland is the odd Physics or Music class. Sweden spend 6.8% of GDP on education, we spend 3.5%.....so basically half what they spend, their schools are nicer, more modern and better equipped, spending money leads better resources. Comparing education settings in the two countries is madness. Half of Sweden's population live in single person household, I could go on.......comparing Ireland and Sweden epidemiologically is not sensible .....have a look at Israel, similar spending, similar class size, similar plan, 26% off teachers quarantined due to the disastrous opening within a few weeks.

Shows how a little "knowledge" in the wrongs hand is quite dangerous.

Everyone wants to hang their hat on the Sweden miracle, it only it was that easy.

tayto lover

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Schools are opening next week. I've just spent the past three weeks getting our ready.

I hope you’re right but for how long will they be open. Numbers on the increase hugely and if there’s a further spike linked with schools reopening then they could be closed again for even longer.

wirelessdude01

xhomelezz wrote: »

Oh god, apart from all the other wisdom.. Sweden again. Well try to compare Irish school to Swedish school.

At least it isn't Denmark this time. Small bit of originality.

donaghs

xhomelezz wrote: »

Oh god, apart from all the other wisdom.. Sweden again. Well try to compare Irish school to Swedish school.

Thanks for that informative addition to the discussion. So do you think the schools shouldn’t open? What do you propose?

Do you think there will be COVID deaths if schools open? I
An unfortunate side-affect of the lockdown warning is this type of anxiety.

Greensoup

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Is that a perspex screen?

That Secondary school he visited has around 200 students max. They’d have around 40 students per year group so no issues with space in classrooms and great for PR stunt. No fear he’d visit Rochestown college, Colaiste Spioraid in Bishopstown or Colaiste Choilm in Ballincollig that has 1300 goin to it. He would have passed it on his way to west cork as well.

xhomelezz

donaghs wrote: »

Thanks for that informative addition to the discussion. So do you think the schools shouldn’t open? What do you propose?

Do you think there will be COVID deaths if schools open? I
An unfortunate side-affect of the lockdown warning is this type of anxiety.

Well you started informative addition to discussion by yourself. So I answered same way.

Nope I don't think schools should stay closed. They can be open in other safer ways for everyone. If you bother to read this thread, you might find some hints.

That last sentence of your post is just some kind of cheap bs I guess.

Murple

donaghs wrote: »

Schools have different setups to most workplaces. Kids are also the least risk group. Sweden never closed the primary schools - guess what happened. Nothing.

“ However, a scan of Swedish newspapers makes clear that school outbreaks have occurred. In the town of Skellefteå, a teacher died and 18 of 76 staff tested positive at a school with about 500 students in preschool through ninth grade. The school closed for 2 weeks because so many staff were sick, but students were not tested for the virus. In Uppsala, staff protested when school officials, citing patient privacy rules, declined to notify families or staff that a teacher had tested positive. No contact tracing was done at the school. At least two staff members at other schools have died, but those schools remained open and no one attempted to trace the spread of the disease there. When asked about these cases, Ludvigsson said he was unaware of them. He did not respond to a query about whether he would amend the review article to include them.”

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/how-sweden-wasted-rare-opportunity-study-coronavirus-schools#