Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

SteM · 17-08-2020 01:16PM

Do grown-ups still use the word 'gubbermint'? Hard to take any post that uses this word seriously whether it makes a good point or not tbh.

IAMAMORON · 17-08-2020 01:22PM

joeguevara wrote: »

It is interesting that a couple of months ago loads of people were saying that the government were in bed with the vintners and will do anything to open pubs. Now they will do anything to keep them closed. From an economic point of view it makes more sense to keep schools closed and open up bars clubs hotels etc fully. Vat is received. Tax from wages received. People off the Covid payment etc.

Tds aren't on holidays. Clinics are open. Dail is closed but government are there. Listen I don't have any love for FF/FG but hopefully they will be able to make appropriate decisions based on up to date medical data.

I am not a political Bot or anything. All TD's want their 6 weeks off.

Any publican who is looking to keep business going his knocking out Pizza at this stage, either that or they have enough money and they are in hibernation until this blows over. I was in a country pub last Wednesday evening and there was 40 in it and no one eating , the tables were set mind you. Fair play to the owners, they recognise that they need to survive.

Dickie10 · 17-08-2020 01:25PM

would anyone care to think what would happen if we still have this situation at christmas time? would make for a very odd christmas. no sport to attend , no pubs open . hard to believe what it will be llike. i supose if things dont open back up to normal level by mid october, you would get very hard to see them opening that close to christmas. christmas time is not really aa time people go out for food that uch, its mostly a drinks only time.

joeguevara · 17-08-2020 01:27PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I believe they have both, the resteraunt license means they can open during the day without a dj, the theatre licence means they can open late without having to keep a kitchen open....

What would the theatre licence permit? I have seen nothing in any guidelines about theatre/performance venues.

stephenjmcd · 17-08-2020 01:29PM

joeguevara wrote: »

What would the theatre licence permit? I have seen nothing in any guidelines about theatre/performance venues.

Theatre licence permits the selling of alcohol while there is a "performance" such as DJ, event of any sort really, its how they operate at night without a bog standard pub licence.

By day restaurant licence allows them to operate without any "performance" as another poster mentioned

hynesie08 · 17-08-2020 01:38PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Theatre licence permits the selling of alcohol while there is a "performance" such as DJ, event of any sort really, its how they operate at night without a bog standard pub licence.

By day restaurant licence allows them to operate without any "performance" as another poster mentioned

It also used to allow later opening hours, but I believe they got rid of that in 2008. I didn't even think pubs could get theatre licenses anymore...... But then technically it's not a pub......

stephenjmcd · 17-08-2020 01:42PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

It also used to allow later opening hours, but I believe they got rid of that in 2008. I didn't even think pubs could get theatre licenses anymore...... But then technically it's not a pub......

Just goes to show the whole licencing system needs to be changed and modernised, it was included in the programme for government so at least its on the radar

joeguevara · 17-08-2020 01:43PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

It also used to allow later opening hours, but I believe they got rid of that in 2008. I didn't even think pubs could get theatre licenses anymore...... But then technically it's not a pub......

Yes I read that about 2008 change and as far as I know individual late licensing is required per event. If alcohol sales are as important as the event it is probably not appropriate at the moment.

PTH2009 · 17-08-2020 01:45PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

would anyone care to think what would happen if we still have this situation at christmas time? would make for a very odd christmas. no sport to attend , no pubs open . hard to believe what it will be llike. i supose if things dont open back up to normal level by mid october, you would get very hard to see them opening that close to christmas. christmas time is not really aa time people go out for food that uch, its mostly a drinks only time.

Yeah its scary and with all the ****e everyone has been through this year, you would hope Christmas time would be the escape from that and everyone could have fun

joeguevara · 17-08-2020 01:46PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

would anyone care to think what would happen if we still have this situation at christmas time? would make for a very odd christmas. no sport to attend , no pubs open . hard to believe what it will be llike. i supose if things dont open back up to normal level by mid october, you would get very hard to see them opening that close to christmas. christmas time is not really aa time people go out for food that uch, its mostly a drinks only time.

All Ireland hurling and football scheduled for December 13 and 19. Hopefully with fans.

sitkaspruce · 17-08-2020 01:58PM

joeguevara wrote: »

All Ireland hurling and football scheduled for December 13 and 19. Hopefully with fans.

hopefully with Kilkenny knocking seven shades of sh1te out of tipp in the final

joeguevara · 17-08-2020 02:20PM

sitkaspruce wrote: »

hopefully with Kilkenny knocking seven shades of sh1te out of tipp in the final

Tall tales is a different thread. Hahaha

Be a cracking final and tipp getting 2 in a row would be a great early Christmas present.

PTH2009 · 17-08-2020 02:22PM

Waterford winning Liam would be an awesome awesome christmas gift

:D:D

MickeyLeari · 17-08-2020 02:23PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

would anyone care to think what would happen if we still have this situation at christmas time? would make for a very odd christmas. no sport to attend , no pubs open . hard to believe what it will be llike. i supose if things dont open back up to normal level by mid october, you would get very hard to see them opening that close to christmas. christmas time is not really aa time people go out for food that uch, its mostly a drinks only time.

Maybe by Christmas 2024 we will be used to it.

Seamai · 17-08-2020 02:24PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Waterford winning Liam would be an awesome awesome christmas gift :D:D

I'm from Cork and would really love to see that too.

hmmm · 17-08-2020 02:44PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

would anyone care to think what would happen if we still have this situation at christmas time? would make for a very odd christmas. no sport to attend , no pubs open . hard to believe what it will be llike. i supose if things dont open back up to normal level by mid october, you would get very hard to see them opening that close to christmas. christmas time is not really aa time people go out for food that uch, its mostly a drinks only time.

The only good thing is that by Christmas we should know if we have vaccines which work (and the odds are looking good), so the message will be "hang on, try not to catch this thing, and we'll be vaccinating everyone in 2021".

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 17-08-2020 03:00PM

hmmm wrote: »

The only good thing is that by Christmas we should know if we have vaccines which work (and the odds are looking good), so the message will be "hang on, try not to catch this thing, and we'll be vaccinating everyone in 2021".

Vaccinating everyone you say? And how are they going to do that now?

MrStuffins · 17-08-2020 03:08PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Vaccinating everyone you say? And how are they going to do that now?

Jaysus, don't start!

political analyst · 17-08-2020 03:14PM

Instead of whinging, why don't publicans who never served substantial meals take legal advice?

If they took a court case and won (and yes, I know it's a hypothesis with a very long shot!) then what people think wouldn't matter because there'd still be enough people wanting to visit to have a few pints.

I see sheep · 17-08-2020 03:14PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Jaysus, don't start!

It's a fair point though. I'd say about 1/4 of people I've discussed this with say no chance they will take the vaccine.

Quantum Erasure · 17-08-2020 03:16PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Vaccinating everyone you say? And how are they going to do that now?

Start with the most vulnerable and work from there....

MrStuffins · 17-08-2020 03:19PM

I see sheep wrote: »

It's a fair point though. I'd say about 1/4 of people I've discussed this with say no chance they will take the vaccine.

Id be surprised if the poster was suggesting that the Govt. round everyone up and vaccinate them.

Let that 1/4 opt out of being vaccinated. Whatever they want!

gabeeg · 17-08-2020 03:24PM

They could issue the vaccinated with some sort of certification. Perhaps something like a bracelet.

And if you don't have a bracelet, you're not allowed in the pub/restaurant/whatever.

Hopefully it won't come to that as you'd hope there isn't that many utter morons out there

gabeeg · 17-08-2020 03:25PM

They could issue the vaccinated with some sort of certification. Perhaps something like a bracelet.

And if you don't have a bracelet, you're not allowed in the pub/restaurant/whatever.

Hopefully it won't come to that as you'd hope there isn't that many utter morons out there

joeguevara · 17-08-2020 03:29PM

political analyst wrote: »

Instead of whinging, why don't publicans who never served substantial meals take legal advice?

If they took a court case and won (and yes, I know it's a hypothesis with a very long shot!) then what people think wouldn't matter because there'd still be enough people wanting to visit to have a few pints.

I'd say they are considering it but they are on the back foot. Courts can't interfere with legislation due to separation of powers. Even if they could it would be difficult to argue that they have no option but stay closed as it stands. Timing is an issue as the court will say that they haven't exhausted the reopening process. But the biggest issue is that both vintners organisations are toothless and inept. The larger publicans who usually take legal issues into their own hands are mostly open so no incentive.

hmmm · 17-08-2020 03:33PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Vaccinating everyone you say? And how are they going to do that now?

I was trying to give the OP a bit of hope.

Let me rewrite it. "By the end of the year we should know if we have vaccines which work. If enough people took these vaccines, we could be back to normal in mid to late 2021. However due to the hard work by anti-vaxxers to spread false stories about vaccines, it will probably be 2023 or 2024 when the pool of survivors can get back to a somewhat normal life in whatever is left of the economy."

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 17-08-2020 03:34PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Jaysus, don't start!

Sorry it's probably the wrong thread in fairness. Just don't assume everyone will be willing to take a vaccine. I would say at least half the people I talk to will absolutely refuse one, unless of course the government go full tyrannical.

I'll leave it at that. Pub thread.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 17-08-2020 03:36PM

gabeeg wrote: »

They could issue the vaccinated with some sort of certification. Perhaps something like a bracelet.

And if you don't have a bracelet, you're not allowed in the pub/restaurant/whatever.

Hopefully it won't come to that as you'd hope there isn't that many utter morons out there

And they said Nazi Germany would never happen again.

gabeeg · 17-08-2020 03:40PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

And they said Nazi Germany would never happen again.

Nobody ever says that.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 17-08-2020 03:43PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Nobody ever says that.

Why stop there, no digital cert or no "bracelet" as the other poster suggested = no entry into shops, no entry to restaurants, no entry into pubs. Shur make it: No bracelet = no job, no travel, no medical treatment etc.

You're enslaving yourselves. Wake up.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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