Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Goldengirl · 13-08-2020 01:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There was an interesting one here in the last couple of days where it was posted about long term fatigue and shortness of breath associated with having covid. It was pointed out by someone that shortness of breath and fatigue is a common medium term side affect of Pneumonia. Without any hint of understanding, "proof" was reported that Pneumonia side affects were not long term in the form of an information sheet saying you can expect up to 6 months recovery from Pneumonia! 13th Aug - 6 months = 13th Feb!

On another note, my own mother-in-law got pneumonia over 50 years ago as a teenager, and still suffers ill effects. It wasn't Covid, and it didn't stop her having 6 children and 11 grandchildren

Yes. My uncle had a " rheumatic heart " after suffering Rheumatic fever , but lived to 65 , working until he couldn't and died of heart failure eventually . Not easy but he had a good life despite his illness .
We all know stories like this .
There are also relatively young people who are invalided randomly by these viruses and never regain a decent quality of life .

Many illnesses cause longterm complications .
We are just beginning to find out what may or may not be the effects of this particular one .
Doesn't mean that the quality of life will not be reduced for those badly affected , nor does it mean that they will not be able to live happy lives .
Prevention and treatment of these after effects or sequels as the medics call them is improving all the time .

Let's not minimise this , or maximise it also .

Stevieluvsye · 13-08-2020 01:47PM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

So air conditioning is actually a problem.

You also say "generally" which means we don't know.

Ask them when was the last time they changed, cleaned the filters and crack on from there.

I'm sure the young girl at the popcorn till will know

Non solum non ambulabit · 13-08-2020 01:47PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

It is a horror story come to life. Absolutely bricking it here. Not sure if it is possible but I think I have watched everything with Duncan Stewart in it online to distract myself.. An hour here and there with Duncan playing in the house, takes the edge off for me anyway

Classic. Keep them coming.

Psychiatric Patrick · 13-08-2020 01:51PM

is_that_so wrote: »

In principle, I see as a low risk location and would have no issue going but if it's masks all the way I'll pass and go back to home content providers instead.

Why do the masks put you off?

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 01:52PM

I’m after booking Tenet for release day in the cinema, I’m fully expecting it to be perfectly safe and am looking forward to it.

Psychiatric Patrick · 13-08-2020 01:53PM

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Jesus, get a grip, there was no rudeness in his post

The post is rude as is yours. The fact you cannot tell is your problem and is off topic.

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 01:54PM

Latest testing & tracing data
There is some serious targetted testing going on I believe - nearly 15,000 swabs taken yesterday - never seen so many in one day tbh

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-13-august-2020.pdf

Le Bruise · 13-08-2020 01:54PM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Masks are indeed required. I don't eat at the cinema - can't watch anything at home without food though.

I agree with the last part but not much enjoyment can be had if you aren't enjoying it, if you follow me.

Was at the Omniplex in Mahon Point last week and it was a great set-up and very comfortable (nothing like that cinema scene from 'Outbreak'):).

Wore masks until we sat down but could take them off then. As soon as you book a row, the row in front and behind are automatically booked off too, so you're well away from other folk. Wasn't that busy anyway and felt perfectly safe in there.

For those wondering (and I'm sure there are many), I saw 'Onward' and was an emotional wreck after it!

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 13-08-2020 01:55PM

seamus wrote: »

It's an old wives' tale that air conditioning causes diseases to circulate around.

Most commercial/industrial HVAC filters out particulate, making the air cleaner than what you're breathing out.

The main issue comes from the fact that conditioned air is very dry, which can make your airways more susceptible to infection.

Recirculated air in a cinema though generally doesn't recirculate any pathogens in the air, especially if it's a decent modern cinema.

As said above, you're probably safer in a cinema than a restaurant.

Surely anything that influences air flow can help distribute disease carrying droplets/aerosols around a room? e.g. COVID-19 Outbreak Associated with Air Conditioning in Restaurant, Guangzhou, China, 2020

Psychiatric Patrick · 13-08-2020 01:57PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’m after booking Tenet for release day in the cinema, I’m fully expecting it to be perfectly safe and am looking forward to it.

That is all my local is showing on all it's screens

I missed the 40th anniversary of Empire Strikes Back.

Goldengirl · 13-08-2020 01:58PM

Ineedaname wrote: »

The half dozen people I know that got the virus. All of them made a full recovery with no issues. Some took a bit longer than others but they got there in the end.

So based on my admittedly limited experience that does seem to be the case.

Like I said. Time will tell

Most people experience milder symptoms even those who are sick enough but manage to stay at home would be considered only moderately sick .
Not known yet but it's really those who are very ill and hospitalised that are the people who are more likely to develop complications and as a result long term effects .
It depends on what level of illness people experience , as well as their own level of susceptibility, the underlying conditions, age and general health of the individual , as to how they manage to fight it off .

is_that_so · 13-08-2020 01:59PM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Why do the masks put you off?

Sitting for 2 hours plus in a mask is not an experience I need to have especially when I can have the same experience more comfortably at home but each to their own.

Drumpot · 13-08-2020 02:00PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’m after booking Tenet for release day in the cinema, I’m fully expecting it to be perfectly safe and am looking forward to it.

In all seriousness, it’s up to each person to decide what risks they find acceptable. I’ve no issue with people going to opening night. Just like I’m sure they have no issue with me being more cautious or strategic about when I go.

This cinema discussion prompted me to look to see what’s on and I see Interstellar is on in a so far empty screen. Might actually go tonight so glad the topic has been brought up.

If cinemas can actually use this as an opportunity to stop people talking (exhaling) that would be great all round!!

Psychiatric Patrick · 13-08-2020 02:02PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Yeh and you can be selective with cinemas. I’m gonna go weeks After a big movie is released or at time’s when it’s quiet.

I actually had not considered that there no rush in going in the first couple of weeks.

With the exception of two, all responses have been helpful. I'm still 50/50 about it but I feel better having asked and knowing that I'm not over reacting by thinking about it.

schmoo2k · 13-08-2020 02:03PM

Polar101 wrote: »

I'd say there's a post here to shut down Dublin every day, it never gets old.

Yea and they even pre-date covid!

Rob A. Bank · 13-08-2020 02:04PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Compressed air is the way to go. I’d say there is a gap in the market for anyone who can convert scuba gear for the new normal. BYOA

No need for compressed air, just filtered air ! ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egcQ9pL3SMw

Drumpot · 13-08-2020 02:05PM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I actually had not considered that there no rush in going in the first couple of weeks.

With the exception of two, all responses have been helpful. I'm still 50/50 about it but I feel better having asked and knowing that I'm not over reacting by thinking about it.

I regularly goto screenings that are practically empty, it’s like your own private cinema..

Psychiatric Patrick · 13-08-2020 02:08PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sitting for 2 hours plus in a mask is not an experience I need to have especially when I can have the same experience more comfortably at home but each to their own.

I was using the disposables when shopping. Very uncomfortable. Never liked them in my old clean room job.

I have a resusable one now and I forget I even have it on.

seamus · 13-08-2020 02:08PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Latest testing & tracing data
There is some serious targetted testing going on I believe - nearly 15,000 swabs taken yesterday - never seen so many in one day tbh

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-13-august-2020.pdf

Wowzers. Can probably expect a sizeable jump in cases over the next 48 hours then.

Something weird going on with test turnarounds for community testing too - the mean time to get a result is 3.5 hours larger than the median.

This would indicate that the majority of tests are turning around in 24 hours, but there are a small number of tests that are taking a very long time to come back. I wonder is there one specific lab or area that are dragging their feet?

13-08-2020 02:09PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sitting for 2 hours plus in a mask is not an experience I need to have especially when I can have the same experience more comfortably at home but each to their own.

Up can take the mask off for consuming food and drink. Popcorn and drink in the cinema.

I have been twice now, both times almost empty with about 20 feet separating me from the nearest person. I had my popcorn and coke, wore the mask for the last 30 minutes and was fine.

If your mask is uncomfortable, get a new one. Theres plenty of decent options other than surgical masks. I have one in the car and one at the front door and honestly, unless the area I'm in is hot, I don't notice the mask after a few minutes.

abacus120 · 13-08-2020 02:10PM

I went to the cinema weeks ago and it was great, no messing going on, people tripping over everyone going to the toilet,no-one in front, behind or beside us. It felt so safe and was great to escape and forget all the madness for a few hours, looking forward to going again soon.

Psychiatric Patrick · 13-08-2020 02:11PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I regularly goto screenings that are practically empty, it’s like your own private cinema..

Always like that at my local since the opened.

Only busy on weekend nights.

Don't know how they stay open.

Goldengirl · 13-08-2020 02:11PM

seamus wrote: »

It's an old wives' tale that air conditioning causes diseases to circulate around.

Most commercial/industrial HVAC filters out particulate, making the air cleaner than what you're breathing out.

The main issue comes from the fact that conditioned air is very dry, which can make your airways more susceptible to infection.

Recirculated air in a cinema though generally doesn't recirculate any pathogens in the air, especially if it's a decent modern cinema.

As said above, you're probably safer in a cinema than a restaurant.

HVAC filters don't filter the smaller size particles ie viruses

Operating theatres or procedure rooms with state of the art filtration air changing systems still have to left for 30 to 40 minutes after cleaning when we have Covid positive patients, or anybody with an infectious disease for that reason .

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 02:14PM

seamus wrote: »

Wowzers. Can probably expect a sizeable jump in cases over the next 48 hours then.

Something weird going on with test turnarounds for community testing too - the mean time to get a result is 3.5 hours larger than the median.

This would indicate that the majority of tests are turning around in 24 hours, but there are a small number of tests that are taking a very long time to come back. I wonder is there one specific lab or area that are dragging their feet?

There’s no reason why this would indicate increasing cases. Community referrals (GP referring the public) remain incredibly low.

JP Liz V1 · 13-08-2020 02:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’m after booking Tenet for release day in the cinema, I’m fully expecting it to be perfectly safe and am looking forward to it.

When is Tenet out?

seamus · 13-08-2020 02:21PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There’s no reason why this would indicate increasing cases. Community referrals (GP referring the public) remain incredibly low.

Sure, but if we take the 7-day positive rate of 1.7% and apply it to 15,000 swabs, you get 255 positive results.

Assuming large-scale indiscriminate testing, then clearly it's not going to be 1.7%. But even still.

If we do some rough optismistic calculations:
~4,500 community referrals @ 1.3% positivity rate = 59 positives
~ 10,500 targetted swabs @ 0.3% = 32 positives.

That's ~ 100 positives, at least 32 of which are new cases.

Basically what I'm saying is that we shouldn't be panicking if we see 100-200 new cases over the next 48 hours. More testing will find more cases. If we come in under 100 new cases, we should look on that as a positive; especially if the targetted testing returns a really low positivity rate.

Psychiatric Patrick · 13-08-2020 02:25PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

When is Tenet out?

26th of August.

Non solum non ambulabit · 13-08-2020 02:35PM

seamus wrote: »

Sure, but if we take the 7-day positive rate of 1.7% and apply it to 15,000 swabs, you get 255 positive results.

Assuming large-scale indiscriminate testing, then clearly it's not going to be 1.7%. But even still.

If we do some rough optismistic calculations:
~4,500 community referrals @ 1.3% positivity rate = 59 positives
~ 10,500 targetted swabs @ 0.3% = 32 positives.

That's ~ 100 positives, at least 32 of which are new cases.

Basically what I'm saying is that we shouldn't be panicking if we see 100-200 new cases over the next 48 hours. More testing will find more cases. If we come in under 100 new cases, we should look on that as a positive; especially if the targetted testing returns a really low positivity rate.

Good analysis. Expecting a big one today but as you say testing is off the charts at the moment. Positivity rate will be very interesting.

caveat emptor · 13-08-2020 02:38PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There’s no reason why this would indicate increasing cases. Community referrals (GP referring the public) remain incredibly low.

Trump explained this very well.

https://twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1261085326887604224?s=21

The_Brood · 13-08-2020 02:44PM

Russian mass vaccinations starting in October. The end of all this is finally in sight. At least, for governments interested in their citizens rather than stupid political games.

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