Masks

Tork · 13-08-2020 11:00AM

Yes: to protect others

From the same newspaper, 5 days ago https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/face-masks-coverings-coronavirus-do-they-work-shops-transport-a9617666.html You know the anti-maskers here are getting desperate when they're resorting to quoting articles published months ago.

In February Public Health England were not encouraging the public to wear them; Dr Jake Dunning, head of emerging infections and zoonoses [infectious disease spread between humans and animals] at PHE, told The Independent that there is “very little evidence of a widespread benefit” in members of the public wearing masks.

Dr Dunning explained there are a number of reasons why they can be ineffective. “Face masks must be worn correctly, changed frequently, removed properly, disposed of safely and used in combination with good universal hygiene behaviour in order for them to be effective.”

At the time, experts were also keen to stress the need for people on the frontline to be wearing supplies of personal protective equipment (PPE), rather than the community.

But – since then – numerous studies have shown that wearing any type of face covering (not surgical grade, which should be left to medical staff) over the nose and mouth, can help in reducing spread of viral droplets when a person coughs or sneezes.

bush · 13-08-2020 11:33AM

No: other

joeguevara wrote: »

and reuses masks over and over and over

Which is a very large amount of people

joeguevara · 13-08-2020 11:36AM

bush wrote: »

Which is a very large amount of people

Is it really? How would you know?

bush · 13-08-2020 11:39AM

No: other

joeguevara wrote: »

Is it really? How would you know?

Anyone I know says they just use them over and over because its mandatory.

Tork · 13-08-2020 12:02PM

Yes: to protect others

Oddly enough, the people I know are happy to wear them and then put the masks in the wash. It's no big deal.

Dravokivich · 13-08-2020 12:10PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Is it really? How would you know?

People hanging them on the mirrors in their cars. People pulling them in and out of pockets, when it's clear they haven't been sealed or covered in some manner.

is_that_so · 13-08-2020 12:13PM

No: other

Tork wrote: »

Oddly enough, the people I know are happy to wear them and then put the masks in the wash. It's no big deal.

Nobody I know talks about masks and I've only heard one person mention washing them.

joeguevara · 13-08-2020 12:14PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nobody I know talks about masks and I've only heard one person mention washing them.

Ive never heard anyone talking about washing socks, but im presuming anyone I know does.

is_that_so · 13-08-2020 12:16PM

No: other

joeguevara wrote: »

Ive never heard anyone talking about washing socks, but im presuming anyone I know does.

Yeah and this post is about as interesting as mine!

fly_agaric · 13-08-2020 12:16PM

They seem to have been at this mask wearing lark in some East Asian countries for a while. Doesn't seem to have done them much harm, and I highly, highly doubt they are all following exacting hospital level decontamination procedures in the handling of the masks joe public use on public transport or in cities with bad pollution.

I refuse to believe my fellow citizens are dirty, lazy pigs + throwing out a disposable mask or putting a reusable one into the wash after use is too much hard work. :pac:

edit: I could be wrong of course and we are uniquely dirty and lazy as a people...

bush · 13-08-2020 12:19PM

No: other

fly_agaric wrote: »

I refuse to believe my fellow citizens are dirty, lazy pigs + throwing out a disposable mask or putting a reusable one into the wash after use is too much hard work. :pac:

You are very naive then

fly_agaric · 13-08-2020 12:23PM

bush wrote: »

You are very naive then

I don't think we are uniquely dirty and lazy + incapable of using masks as some people appear to be be suggesting. It's a pessimistic view of Irish people that I don't agree with.

13-08-2020 12:26PM

There is a massive over-exaggeration of the apparent dangers of using your mask wrong. How does putting it in and out of your pocket stop its ability to limit the spread of droplets? Or touching it for the that matter?

Feels like a lot of the anti-mask rhetoric from the start has stuck around and even people who are pro-masks believe you must never touch them or whatever.

robinph · 13-08-2020 12:28PM

No: I don't care enough

Dravokivich wrote: »

People hanging them on the mirrors in their cars. People pulling them in and out of pockets, when it's clear they haven't been sealed or covered in some manner.

What is the problem there?

Hanging it on the mirror in the car and it's getting a bit of sunlight inbetween uses. Putting it in your pocket it may gain a bit of fluff. What else is it gaining by being in your pocket that is going to increase your chances of getting coronavirus?

It will get a bit manky after a few uses, but manky is not coronavirus.

crossmolinalad · 13-08-2020 12:29PM

Sconsey wrote: »

Masks may actually increase risk of infection if not used properly is what the article says.

Why leave out that important detail from your comment?

And loads of people don't use them properly
seen them lying it after use on the front seat of their car and reuse it at the next shop or just dumping it between their groceries in their shopping bag , putting it in one of their pockets and so on
Know a family who have no money and using the same disposable mask the whole week and maybe all of the weeks to come
Most of the described people above don't give a "u know what" about wearing them or don't want to spent a cent on them

Loafing Oaf · 13-08-2020 12:32PM

No: I don't care enough

crossmolinalad wrote: »

And loads of people don't use them properly
seen them lying it after use on the front seat of their car and reuse it at the next shop or just dumping it between their groceries in their shopping bag , putting it in one of their pockets and so on
Know a family who have no money and using the same disposable mask the whole week and maybe all of the weeks to come
Most of the described people above don't give a "u know what" about wearing them or don't want to spent a cent on them

But in terms of the mask's primary purpose of stopping the wearer spreading the virus to others, isn't even this sort of 'less than ideal' use far better than not wearing it at all?

13-08-2020 12:36PM

How is putting it on the front seat of your car a problem. Wtf is going on in people's heads.

Elmer Blooker · 13-08-2020 12:40PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Anyone that thinks Gardai have zero right to question you on your health is obviously getting their information from an armchair expert. Specific exemption letters will be requried to be provided to a person who asks such as secuirty, shopkeeper, owner of premises etc. If they are not satisfied and you continue to refuse to wear a mask or leave the premises the Gardai can be contacted. As breach of the Legislation is a criminal offence, the Garda have full examination and inspection rights. Equality Law or Data Protection does not trump that. Proof will be required as to the physical or emotional disability that prohibits the person from wearing a mask. Any false or misleading information is of itself a separate offence. There appears to be one serious loop hole for all of this but Ill be fcucked if Im going to give anyone that little piece of advice.

If you would like to see the Gardai loitering around supermarkets waiting to nab someone buying tea bags then good for you but I'd prefer to see them tackling crime.

Tork · 13-08-2020 12:41PM

Yes: to protect others

is_that_so wrote: »

Nobody I know talks about masks and I've only heard one person mention washing them.

We obviously orbit in different circles. Masks just happened to get mentioned in conversations in the middle of other chat going on. People generally seem to want reusable ones because the cost of the disposable ones mounts up. There's also a bit of chat about where to get the best reusable ones. The talk about washing them goes roughly along the lines of "I keep a few in my bag/in the car and pop them into the wash".

joeguevara · 13-08-2020 12:43PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

If you would like to see the Gardai loitering around supermarkets waiting to nab someone buying tea bags then good for you but I'd prefer to see them tackling crime.

It is a crime to refuse to wear a mask. And the ramifications of said crime can have devastating effects. But am glad that you agree that they should be tackling said crime.

How to prevent it: WEAR A MASK.

Elmer Blooker · 13-08-2020 12:50PM

joeguevara wrote: »

It is a crime to refuse to wear a mask. And the ramifications of said crime can have devastating effects. But am glad that you agree that they should be tackling said crime.

How to prevent it: WEAR A MASK.

We'll see how many will do six months for the 'crime' of not putting a piece of porous material over their face.

Tork · 13-08-2020 12:52PM

Yes: to protect others

Oh right, so they're porous now, are they?

joeguevara · 13-08-2020 12:55PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

We'll see how many will do six months for the 'crime' of not putting a piece of porous material over their face.

Hopefully none. If they wear masks.

Tork · 13-08-2020 12:56PM

Yes: to protect others

I shall share this again - it is a study in Thorax which is published by the British Medical Journal. Other scientific studies have also been done to show how far (potentially infected) droplets travel with different face coverings. They're all coming up with much the same findings. In other words, there is value to covering your face.

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Quantum Erasure · 13-08-2020 01:09PM

YeAh BuT, ThAtS oNlY iF yOu HAVE tHe ViRuS.....

Tork · 13-08-2020 01:12PM

Yes: to protect others

Ah yes. But how do you know you have the virus, bud?

I'm waiting for the "It's not in my community" chestnut to come up again.

CalamariFritti · 13-08-2020 01:19PM

Tork wrote: »

Oddly enough, the people I know are happy to wear them and then put the masks in the wash. It's no big deal.

Oddly enough I don't know a single person who is 'happy to wear them'.

Tork · 13-08-2020 01:20PM

Yes: to protect others

Don't be facetious. We all know nobody enjoys wearing them.

CalamariFritti · 13-08-2020 01:22PM

When dealing with irrationality and hysteria at a nuclear level its the only defence one has. I mean you couldn't possibly take this serious,

odyssey06 · 13-08-2020 01:27PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

If you would like to see the Gardai loitering around supermarkets waiting to nab someone buying tea bags then good for you but I'd prefer to see them tackling crime.

Then don't distract them from these other crimes by committing the crime of not wearing a mask in a supermarket.
Also, please ensure your vehicle is taxed and insured for similar reasons.

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