Masks

Dravokivich

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

For anyone that uses the disposable masks and want a mask in a pocket, this video is great. How to make up a mask holder that fits into your pocket and keeps the mask clean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmAxNKbdsts

Good idea alright, but people are scrunching them up in their hands when doing it.

s1ippy

Yes: surgical

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Daily press briefings.

The guidance has long since changed, as masks are now mandated in public places indoors, so the fact that they were once not recommended is a non sequitur in any future debate.

Living Off The Splash

Yes: homemade

murpho999 wrote: »

So it's the people's fault not the shopping centre. Do you expect the shopping centre to enforce it and risk confrontation?

Yes. A quiet word in the ear...…..social distancing and all that...…...might do it.

Away With The Fairies

Yes: valved

Dravokivich wrote: »

Good idea alright, but people are scrunching them up in their hands when doing it.

I hate seeing that, this is why we need more of an education campaign, people don't have a clue. I made up a few of these mask holders and I have a pocket in my pants that's just a mask pocket, so I know it's clean.

Seanachai

odyssey06 wrote: »

Only if they have bad breath, or are prone to dropping saliva everywhere they go. That's just on general principles.

* My response is flippant because the satisfaction you allude to has nothing to do with the reasons why masks are being introduced or their merits or any particular post on this thread from someone advocating their mandatory use

I understand the official explanation of why they're being introduced, some of the posts here seem a bit zealous about reprimanding non mask wearers and putting manners on them as it were.

From what I've seen myself and heard from others security and shop staff seem to be confused about the measures, while they are obliged to inform they are not obliged to enforce. I would have thought that they'd have a team meeting and everything would be made clear.

I could see security calling the cops on somebody without telling them though and that person getting fined if they don't have medical records to back up their exemption claim.

odyssey06

Seanachai wrote: »

I understand the official explanation of why they're being introduced, some of the posts here seem a bit zealous about reprimanding non mask wearers and putting manners on them as it were.

Fair points re: the process side of things.

For a lot of people, it's an inconvenience, but some gentle 'nudges' and social peer pressure will be enough for them to get on board.

But there's a certain cohort who do need 'manners' put on them and unfortunately they don't respond to the above gentle measures and that's why law enforcement and a strong response from retailers is needed.

That cohort are certain to be found in the ranks of the non-mask wearers.
They are the kind of people who think rules don't apply to them, whether it's masks, litter laws, parking laws, driving laws, dog fouling laws, laws on where you can smoke etc
And if that cohort are let away with it, you'll gradually see the other 'lot of people' come to the conclusion they shouldn't bother either.

YellowBucket

Bear in mind that because if the scale of the outbreak in some areas of the USA you are required to wear a mask outdoors, all the time.

We are lucky to have managed to have kept community transmission low enough that that hasn’t been a thing here. All we are doing is wearing masks in high risk, indoor contexts where there are lots of people.

Once you go back outside again you can take it off.

I’m not convinced that some of the designs of reusable masks are very good either. They’re mostly being made by clothing designers and cheap companies using whatever fabric they’re thinking of and there’s no real standards, so you tend to find a comfortable one by trial and error.

Many of them also lack pleats to allow your jaw to move, and especially if you’ve stubble, they’ll ride down as your jaw moves. I think that’s why you’re seeing a lot of guys with their noses out.

A lot of them are also far too small for people with large faces and it’s not just male vs female. A lot of us have big broad heads and faces and they haven’t been catered for very well in some of the designs.

I got one from a Chinese supplier on amazon earlier on in the pandemic and I could wear it. It’s literally very hard to breath though and you feel smothered. I bought cotton masks from various places and a linen one from an Irish manufacturer and they’ve been fine.

I think we’re seeing a learning curve as products emerge and suppliers and distributors adapt. They’ll get better.

If you’re wearing them a lot, I would suggest having several and changing them, much like you wouldn’t wear the same socks or T-shirt for days.

While they’re a waste of resources, disposable surgical masks also seem very easy to wear.

AUDI20

No: other

Beasty wrote: »

Quit the trolling

Your to easy on him, he's been trolling for a long time now and actually ruining this thread with his crazy comments, should have been banned. lot of good posters have stopped posting due to this constance nonsense.

ginoginelli

Yes: surgical

The goverment stiil need to educate people on how to wear masks. We need a media blitz similar to the correct handwashing procedure one to be launched. And further explanation as to WHY we wear them, as well as HOW to wear them. This has been requested several times by opposition ministers - there really is no excuse why it hasn't been done yet.

joeguevara

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's the people's fault but they should be pulled up on it.
As I would expect if someone came in smoking a cigarette or drinking a can of beer.

The issue is that if someone comes in to a shop or a shopping centre with a cigarette, the owner can get fined up to 3k. The same isn't there for non wearing of masks as far as Im aware so the onus is not on the owners;

GPoint

Have been scanning through this thread periodically, not sure if this was said but here is a thought.

The mask regime should be applied properly for it to have any effect on the spread of the virus.
The small positive effect the masks have at reducing the spread will be easily negated by the inappropriate use of the masks, and you cannot control that.
For many people I think the mask is a pass to the shop or a bus and you can expect people to carry a pack of disposable masks and dump them every hour as is actually recommended! This is 5 euro a day if you're on a bus and entering shops during a day.
This is why they came up with this idea of cotton reusable masks, and I doubt everyone carries few of them and washes them regularly.

Sconsey

No: other

GPoint wrote: »

Have been scanning through this thread periodically, not sure if this was said but here is a thought.

The mask regime should be applied properly for it to have any effect on the spread of the virus.

100% agree, am really disappointed we have not seen a good information campaign like we did with hand-washing and distancing.

The small positive effect the masks have at reducing the spread will be easily negated by the inappropriate use of the masks, and you cannot control that.

I'm not so sure, that is entirely your opinion. People tend to focus on the ones doing it wrong and not notice the majority doing it right.

For many people I think the mask is a pass to the shop or a bus and you can expect people to carry a pack of disposable masks and dump them every hour as is actually recommended! This is 5 euro a day if you're on a bus and entering shops during a day.
This is why they came up with this idea of cotton reusable masks, and I doubt everyone carries few of them and washes them regularly.

There is a cost associated alright but that cost is coming down all the time...I got 20 masks for 10 euro yesterday in Dunnes. So 50 cent per mask. I leave the mask on if I am going to a few shops, I assume commuters on public transport would do the same. So while there is a cost it is not that big really.

Beasty

No: I don't care enough

Threads merged

bodhrandude

Yes: surgical

What I want to know is why masks are not being issued free by our government.

xhomelezz

Yes: valved

bodhrandude wrote: »

What I want to know is why masks are not being issued free by our government.

You would be asking way too much of them. I can't help it, but the way they deal with it it's a f.. comedy show by now. No doable plan for schools, I think testing and contact tracing is absolute mess..still, meat factories, local lockdowns which are not lockdowns, travel etc. Look how long it took them even to make mask wearing mandatory.

brightspark

Yes: surgical

bodhrandude wrote:

What I want to know is why masks are not being issued free by our government.

Nothing from the government is ever "free".

Wilberto

No: I don't care enough

brightspark wrote: »

Nothing from the government is ever "free".

Except iodine tablets.

GT89

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's the people's fault but they should be pulled up on it.
As I would expect if someone came in smoking a cigarette or drinking a can of beer.

The smoking ban applies to everyone. There are medical exemptions from wearing masks set out in law making it unenforceable. If there were medical exemptions which made it permissable to smoke in shopping centres then it would be uneforceable.

Tork

Yes: to protect others

bodhrandude wrote: »

What I want to know is why masks are not being issued free by our government.

Probably afraid someone will find a reason to sue. We're good at that in Ireland.

GT89

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

odyssey06 wrote: »

Fair points re: the process side of things.

For a lot of people, it's an inconvenience, but some gentle 'nudges' and social peer pressure will be enough for them to get on board.

But there's a certain cohort who do need 'manners' put on them and unfortunately they don't respond to the above gentle measures and that's why law enforcement and a strong response from retailers is needed.

That cohort are certain to be found in the ranks of the non-mask wearers.
They are the kind of people who think rules don't apply to them, whether it's masks, litter laws, parking laws, driving laws, dog fouling laws, laws on where you can smoke etc
And if that cohort are let away with it, you'll gradually see the other 'lot of people' come to the conclusion they shouldn't bother either.

And that cohort can also be found amongst mask wearers. People wearing masks are kicking up a much bigger fuss than people not wearing in my experience by complaining about people not wearing masks.

odyssey06

GT89 wrote: »

And that cohort can also be found amongst mask wearers. People wearing masks are kicking up a much bigger fuss than people not wearing in my experience by complaining about people not wearing masks.

No idea what you mean. If they are wearing masks in shops and on buses they are following the law of the land. Ergo, they are not in that cohort.
When you expect the law of the land to be followed, a law put in place for public safety, it's absurd to categorise it as "kicking up a fuss".
Those not wearing masks when they should be are in the wrong. They have kicked up the fuss in the first place by breaking the law.

GT89

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

odyssey06 wrote: »

No idea what you mean. If they are wearing masks in shops and on buses they are following the law of the land. Ergo, they are not in that cohort.
When you expect the law of the land to be followed, a law put in place for public safety, it's absurd to categorise it as "kicking up a fuss".
Those not wearing masks when they should be are in the wrong. They have kicked up the fuss in the first place by breaking the law.

Transport workers and shop staff are being verbally abused due to people in shops and on public transport not wearing masks.

pjohnson

GT89 wrote: »

Transport workers and shop staff are being verbally abused due to people in shops and on public transport not wearing masks.

Well most bus drivers and shop staff I've seen are wearing masks.

Jim_Hodge

Yes: homemade

GT89 wrote: »

And that cohort can also be found amongst mask wearers. People wearing masks are kicking up a much bigger fuss than people not wearing in my experience by complaining about people not wearing masks.

That makes little sense. People wearing masks are generally just going about their own business. It's those not wearing masks who can make an issue of it when, rightly, asked to wear a mask by shop keepers or security staff. I have yet to see one mask wearer openly complaining to a non mask wearer.

Stevieluvsye

Yes: surgical

pjohnson wrote: »

Well most bus drivers and shop staff I've seen are wearing masks.

Think they mean the other way round in the post

pjohnson

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Think they mean the other way round in the post

Oh hard to be sure what they are trying to say.

GT89

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

pjohnson wrote: »

Well most bus drivers and shop staff I've seen are wearing masks.

Most bus drivers in Dublin aren't wearing them as they have an assault screen so don't need a mask. The abuse is because passengers are on the bus without masks even though that is nothing to do with the driver. Drivers job is to drive bus, shop workers job is stack shelves or man tills not police mask wearing.

GT89

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

That makes little sense. People wearing masks are generally just going about their own business. It's those not wearing masks who can make an issue of it when, rightly, asked to wear a mask by shop keepers or security staff. I have yet to see one mask wearer openly complaining to a non mask wearer.

Yes they do I've witnessed it. Also they don't generally complain to the non mask wearer they complain to bus drivers, managers or security guards. Most workers don't want to police this but nor do they want the headache of listening complaining to them.

odyssey06

GT89 wrote: »

Transport workers and shop staff are being verbally abused due to people in shops and on public transport not wearing masks.

I am extremly dubious that what you say is true.

Regardless the real originating culprit... are the people not wearing masks in breach of the law of the land.
If someone reports to a bus driver that a passenger is smoking or drinking or doing drugs on a bus, it takes some degree of jobsworth braindead myopia to blame the person making the report.
Ditto for not wearing a mask.

odyssey06

GT89 wrote: »

Yes they do I've witnessed it. Also they don't generally complain to the non mask wearer they complain to bus drivers, managers or security guards. Most workers don't want to police this but nor do they want the headache of listening complaining to them.

Coronavirus is a lot worse than a headache.
The driver and shop staff have the right to refuse service.