Masks

joeguevara

weldoninhio wrote: »

The HPSC advises that cloth face coverings be “stored safely and laundered regularly to ensure that they are clean”. So wash it every evening, on a 60-degree cycle, once you’ve returned home.


https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/face-masks-the-definitive-guide-to-when-to-wear-them-how-to-wash-them-and-the-chin-tuck-1.4256311

Its a paywall.

Is the 'so wash it every evening on a 60 degree cycle once youve returned home your words or the HPSC words?

I have 7 and throw it in the laundry basket each day. Forgot mine this morning so had to ask someone to buy a disposable one in the londis beside work.

weldoninhio

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

odyssey06 wrote: »

Article dated May 18th 2020.
Come back to us when you catch up to August.

HPSC site is giving false information?? You'd wanna contact them. :rolleyes:

Sconsey

No: other

weldoninhio wrote: »

People are wearing them because the experts have said it stops the spread of the virus. The same experts have said they need to be washed nightly at 60 degrees. So are all these virtuous mask wearers following expert advice or not, be quite hypocritical to complain about people not following expert advice when they are picking and choosing what parts to follow themselves. No??

The HPSC advises that cloth face coverings be “stored safely and laundered regularly to ensure that they are clean”. So wash it every evening, on a 60-degree cycle, once you’ve returned home.

This is great stuff. weldoninhio, the guy who goes round with a letter claiming he has a mental illness so he can't wear a mask. Total lies. This liar is trying to lecture people on masks wearing. Sort yourself out before targeting the 'virtuous'.

robinph

No: I don't care enough

Think we are back to this conscious virus that is specifically targeting people based on if they are wearing a mask over their nose or not, if they have any fluff in their mask pocket or not, and only going after people that are stood 1.5 meters away from someone else rather than the person stood 2.5 meters away unless of course they didn't sanitise their hands in which case all virus particles within half a mile will fly directly for them in their own personal hot air balloon virus mobile and if they have a blue mask with red spots on they will be fine, but a red mask with blue stripes and they are done for.

MadYaker

Yes: surgical

weldoninhio wrote: »

People are wearing them because the experts have said it stops the spread of the virus. The same experts have said they need to be washed nightly at 60 degrees. So are all these virtuous mask wearers following expert advice or not, be quite hypocritical to complain about people not following expert advice when they are picking and choosing what parts to follow themselves. No??

The HPSC advises that cloth face coverings be “stored safely and laundered regularly to ensure that they are clean”. So wash it every evening, on a 60-degree cycle, once you’ve returned home.

I just hand wash mine in the sink with hot water, no idea where you got every evening from though. To be honest based on what I've read from id say you're absolutely bonkers.

robinph

No: I don't care enough

seamus wrote: »

That's not true.

I've seen plenty of remarks online from people who enjoy the anonymity. Same people who often wear hats, wear hoodies with the hood up, or wear shades even when the sun in out.

There's a small but reckonable number who prefer being able to disappear into the background. Masks now offer a socially acceptable way of doing this.

They also help with hayfever.

weldoninhio

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

MadYaker wrote: »

I just hand wash mine in the sink with hot water, no idea where you got every evening from though. To be honest based on what I've read from id say you're absolutely bonkers.

Literally from the HPSC website, which I provided.

Tork

Yes: to protect others

weldoninhio wrote: »

If it becomes mandatory I’ll be taking a 1 use mask from work and wearing it until a) wearing it is lifted or b) it’s absolutely threadbare. Then I’ll get another one and start again. Absolutely pointless.

It'll get threadbare from all the washing, won't it?

robinph

No: I don't care enough

weldoninhio wrote: »

Literally from the HPSC website, which I provided.

...and other than it getting a bit stinky if you don't wash it, what is the risk from coronavirus if you don't wash it or you put it in your pocket or leave it on the passenger seat of the car?

Does it stop working if it gets a bit of fluff on it? Does it stop working if you only wash it every other day? Does coronavirus somehow only search out people who are wearing masks that were left on the passenger seat of their car for a bit?

Loafing Oaf

No: I don't care enough

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I walk around , I havent seen a single mask on the ground around here

Me either. I'd say the kind of person who would be inclined to wilfully throw away something as big as a mask would be unlikely to be wearing one in the first place.

weldoninhio

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

robinph wrote: »

...and other than it getting a bit stinky if you don't wash it, what is the risk from coronavirus if you don't wash it or you put it in your pocket or leave it on the passenger seat of the car?

Does it stop working if it gets a bit of fluff on it? Does it stop working if you only wash it every other day? Does coronavirus somehow only search out people who are wearing masks that were left on the passenger seat of their car for a bit?

You'll have to ask the same experts who recommend wearing masks, who have also said wash it every night at 60. Your hypocrisy is making you very defensive.

shaveAbullock

Yes: homemade

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Me either. I'd say the kind of person who would be inclined to wilfully throw away something as big as a mask would be unlikely to be wearing one in the first place.

I see them all the time on my local river walk.
Do you think the people who litter masks buy them to discard in scenic areas and never actually use them as a mask?

rubadub

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I walk around , I havent seen a single mask on the ground around here

I have seen loads, I imagine many have blown away from people, rather than purposely dumped like a cigarette butt. I see people come out of shops and take it half off, hanging on 1 ear and it can fall off. Some would be too lazy to pick it up or chase after it, or just not up to it if they were elderly.

Stark

No: other

That's bad. Don't see why it's an argument against wearing masks though. It's like saying no-one should pick up their dog **** because some people do that thing of bagging it and then leaving the bag as litter.

robinph

No: I don't care enough

weldoninhio wrote: »

You'll have to ask the same experts who recommend wearing masks, who have also said wash it every night at 60. Your hypocrisy is making you very defensive.

What hypocrisy?

You are the one who is using people saying that masks need to be washed daily as a justification for saying nobody should therefore wear a mask.

I'm merely saying that I'm not going to get coronavirus from putting my mask in my pocket or failing to wash it everyday. I'm not saying don't wash them.

dwayneshintzy

Yes: to protect myself and others

weldoninhio isn't entering into anything with good faith here. He's admitted that he's fraudulently getting a letter saying he suffers from severe anxiety (which he doesn't), purely because he can't be arsed wearing a mask.

joeguevara

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

weldoninhio isn't entering into anything with good faith here. He's admitted that he's fraudulently getting a letter saying he suffers from severe anxiety (which he doesn't), purely because he can't be arsed wearing a mask.

Do you honestly believe that? I reckon a typical keyboard warrior/Walter Mitty but in reality, wears a mask without question.

Just back from getting a bottle of yazoo in the londis next door. Two Gardai inside ordering food, both wearing masks.

weldoninhio

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

robinph wrote: »

What hypocrisy?

You are the one who is using people saying that masks need to be washed daily as a justification for saying nobody should therefore wear a mask.

I'm merely saying that I'm not going to get coronavirus from putting my mask in my pocket or failing to wash it everyday. I'm not saying don't wash them.

I'm not calling you a hypocrite. I don't know you. But it is hypocritical to state that people have to wear masks because of expert advice (and in a lot of cases it's overstated or descends straight into abuse over it)(not from yourself), while also ignoring the same experts advice on how to wear/clean same masks.

odyssey06

weldoninhio wrote: »

You'll have to ask the same experts who recommend wearing masks, who have also said wash it every night at 60. Your hypocrisy is making you very defensive.

It's best practice to do so but it's not essential for them to serve their main function.

It's probably also best practice to change from the clothes you wore in the shop and wash them before next use also. And take off the shoes.

We don't know how long the virus survives on fabrics, or how infectious it is handling such fabrics.
It is likely less than 24 hours based on studies of other materials.

As a method of transmission, the far greater risk and concern is that of inhaling droplets in an enclosed public.

weldoninhio

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's best practice to do so but it's not essential for them to serve their main function.

It's probably also best practice to change from the clothes you wore in the shop and wash them before next use also. And take off the shoes.

We don't know how long the virus survives on fabrics, or how infectious it is handling such fabrics.
It is likely less than 24 hours based on studies of other materials.

As a method of transmission, the far greater risk and concern is that of inhaling droplets in an enclosed public.

I'm only repeating what the experts say.

Sconsey

No: other

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm only repeating what the experts say.

Good man, now do as they say will you.

odyssey06

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm only repeating what the experts say.

No you're not. You are quoting the experts either out of context or out of date and avoiding any followup questions when challenged on this.

Do you agree or not with the current expert advice to wear a mask?
Yet you rely on the same experts who recommend wearing masks ... to somehow spin it into don't wear a mask?
Is that hypocrisy? Or does it just you don't have a coherent argument?

There is a difference between what experts advise as best practice\advice\guidelines, and what is put into law as an enforceable minimum.
Similarly, at an NCT, there is an enforceable legal minimum on tyre depths and best practice for what your tyre depth should be.
It is difference between what you must do and what you should do.

weldoninhio

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

odyssey06 wrote: »

No you're not. You are quoting the experts either out of context or out of date and avoiding any followup questions when challenged on this.

Do you agree or not with the current expert advice to wear a mask?
Yet you rely on the same experts who recommend wearing masks ... to somehow spin it into don't wear a mask?
Is that hypocrisy? Or does it just you don't have a coherent argument?

There is a difference between what experts advise as best practice\advice\guidelines, and what is put into law as an enforceable minimum.
Similarly, at an NCT, there is an enforceable legal minimum on tyre depths and best practice for what your tyre depth should be.
It is difference between what you must do and what you should do.

I haven't twisted anything or quoted anyone out of context.

"Launder used face coverings on the evening of use at a temperature of at least 60 degrees Celsius." is verbatim from the HSPC website.

The link to it is: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/infectionpreventionandcontrolguidance/ppe/useoffacemasksbythegeneralpublic/

Who the HSPC are:

The Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC) is Ireland's specialist agency for the surveillance of communicable diseases.

HPSC is part of the Health Service Executive and works in partnership with health service providers and sister organisations in Ireland and around the world, to provide the best possible information for the control and prevention of infectious diseases. HPSC strives to protect and improve the health of the Irish population by providing timely information and independent advice, and by carrying out disease surveillance, epidemiological investigation and related research and training.

Hrududu

Stark wrote: »

That's bad. Don't see why it's an argument against wearing masks though. It's like saying no-one should pick up their dog **** because some people do that thing of bagging it and then leaving the bag as litter.

Interestingly. Every time I go out I’ll see at least one discarded mask. But I also always see dog ****, or my favourite dog **** that has been put in a bag and then the bag has been thrown on the ground. Same people I wonder.

odyssey06

weldoninhio wrote: »

I haven't twisted anything or quoted anyone out of context.

Could you also post the section where they advise people to wear masks and explain why you won't?

What is your point?
You are posting random information out of context.
The context where the same organisation says that you must wear a mask in enclosed public spaces.

The page that you have linked to is the best practice on how you should use a mask.
Yes, and???
You have no points, no arguments.

Do you agree with the advice to wear a mask and if so why not?

givyjoe

Yes: surgical

odyssey06 wrote: »

Could you also post the section where they advise people to wear masks and explain why you won't?

What is your point?
You are posting random information out of context.
The context where the same organisation says that you must wear a mask in enclosed public spaces.

The page that you have linked to is the best practice on how you should use a mask.
Yes, and???
You have no points, no arguments.

Do you agree with the advice to wear a mask and if so why not?

Man doesn't want to wear mask, so selectively uses random pieces of information to support/justify his preferred position. They won't be convinced of anything else.

So many folks who dismiss things because they're not a 100% lock, almost nothing is!

RoYoBo

Yes: valved

The advice for washing a mask is based on the assumption that someone has only one and will be re-using it the next day. At this point, most people will have more than one and can easily wash them in bulk. Like the clothes you're wearing out and about, the mask is no more likely to increase contagion than them.

In any event, those who are indulging in semantics on this thread are convinced that there's no need to wear any mask because the risk of contracting the virus is almost nil. Ergo, no need to wash them at all! Any other advice or discussion is moot, it would seem.

davemckenna25

Hi Folks, sorry to jump in on the whole washing of masks thing but are we not also washing/changing masks everyday due to the risk of a bacterial buildup on the inside of the mask due to our own warm breath/moisture.
This is also a main reason why they need to be washed if a cloth and changed if a disposable one.

Tork

Yes: to protect others

I would have thought most people would instinctively be doing this anyway, no more than they change their underwear every day, wash their hands after going to the toilet etc. The auld mask breath isn't the nicest. Then again, there are some grubby feckers out there.

odyssey06

davemckenna25 wrote: »

Hi Folks, sorry to jump in on the whole washing of masks thing but are we not also washing/changing masks everyday due to the risk of a bacterial buildup on the inside of the mask due to our own warm breath/moisture.
This is also a main reason why they need to be washed if a cloth and changed if a disposable one.

In general bacteria and viruses cant survive on dry fabrics for longer than 24 hours. Viruses typically rendered useless in minutes to a few hours.

Hanging on a line in sunlight for an hour will or rather the uv radiation will achieve the same effect.