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  • #7592
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And of course you know better! And the mask drops so to speak. Find it quite baffling why people choose to obsess about the lives of others they don't give two hoots about normally.

    I don't care how anyone lives their life normally but there is a key distinction you are being deliberately facetious about.

    We are in a pandemic that is entirely behaviour driven.


  • #7593
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    is_that_so wrote: »
    We did get somewhat lucky, perhaps in our timing of decisions, but what we did we did pretty well. I'd call that a success.

    Yeah I think Luck is a key word in handling it over here, or was. We could've been somewhere else by now, with less deaths, less unemployment etc., if they acted promptly. But there's nothing we can do about it now anyway. I'm greatful it didn't get worse. Long journey to go tho, so hopefully we won't mess it up.


  • #7594
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,237 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Yes: homemade
    Fortnightly big shop today. Supermarket, butcher and greengrocers had 100% wearing face coverings. Petrol station shop had 20% with a load if builders in for deli and coffee without masks.


  • #7595
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Fortnightly big shop today. Supermarket, butcher and greengrocers had 100% wearing face coverings. Petrol station shop had 20% with a load if builders in for deli and coffee without masks.

    Just cut out the messing and make it no mask no entry/no service in shops.


  • #7596
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/students-to-wear-face-coverings-in-lectures-where-two-metre-distance-not-possible-1.4323087
    In the event that tuition requires the staff member to be less than two metres from students, the staff member should wear face shields, visors or other protective equipment which will be provided by the college or university.

    That sums it up; only where social distancing is not possible do you need masks and is based on spending more time than just a fleeting moment within two metres of the person. Just because you're indoors doesn't mean you need a mask.


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  • #7597
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Just because you're indoors doesn't mean you need a mask.

    Why?

    So many factors around ventilation, room size and the number of people. I think you are just making it up.


  • #7598
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    i_surge wrote: »
    Why?

    So many factors around ventilation, room size and the number of people. I think you are just making it up.

    Did you not read the article? The policy on mask wearing only applies where social distancing is not possible in lectures and classrooms.


  • #7599
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,070 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/students-to-wear-face-coverings-in-lectures-where-two-metre-distance-not-possible-1.4323087
    That sums it up; only where social distancing is not possible do you need masks and is based on spending more time than just a fleeting moment within two metres of the person. Just because you're indoors doesn't mean you need a mask.

    Wait for the infections in such environments and offices with poor ventilation.
    There's a whole thread on it here:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114205500

    We're not learning from the lessons of Japan who has fewer covid-19 deaths than we did with did despite having 20 times the population.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #7600
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Did you not read the article? The policy on mask wearing only applies where social distancing is not possible in lectures and classrooms.

    I don't need an article to tell me what is obvious from first principles and basic knowledge of the virus and I would add basic knowledge of humanity, compliance and the psychology behind it.

    I skimmed it and still came to opposite conclusion to you.

    Last time I checked journalists weren't experts in pandemic control either.


  • #7601
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Did you not read the article? The policy on mask wearing only applies where social distancing is not possible in lectures and classrooms.

    Just looking for pointless argument, that's all..


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  • #7602
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Wait for the infections in such environments and offices with poor ventilation.
    There's a whole thread on it here:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114205500

    We're not learning from the lessons of Japan who has fewer covid-19 deaths than we did with did despite having 20 times the population.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53188847

    It depends how they measure a covid death, as in Ireland we have overstated our numbers. As I was reading about Japan I found that really interesting BBC article. I didn't realise that Japan didn't do too much to stop covid, implementing more voluntary guidance and not doing widespread testing. It appears to be a whole combination of factors which contributed to its low deaths from banning the Chinese (in the West we call such ideas racist), overall health of the population, lack of physical interaction in the culture, possibility of being infected previously with a form of coronavirus, and asking (not forcing) people to avoid the three Cs;
    As the virus spread, it quickly became clear that Covid is a disease that primarily kills the elderly and is massively amplified by crowds or prolonged close contact. Per capita, Japan has more elderly than any other country. Japan's population is also densely packed into huge cities.

    Greater Tokyo has a mind-boggling 37 million people and for most of them, the only way to get around is on the city's notoriously packed trains.

    Then there is Japan's refusal to heed the advice of the World Health Organization (WHO) to "test, test, test". Even now, total PCR tests stand at just 348,000, or 0.27% of Japan's population.

    Nor has Japan had a lockdown on the scale or severity of Europe. In early April, the government ordered a state of emergency. But the stay-at-home request was voluntary. Non-essential businesses were asked to close, but there was no legal penalty for refusing.


  • #7603
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Just looking for pointless argument, that's all..

    Great reply :rolleyes:


  • #7604
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    i_surge wrote: »
    I don't need an article to tell me what is obvious from first principles and basic knowledge of the virus and I would add basic knowledge of humanity, compliance and the psychology behind it.

    I skimmed it and still came to opposite conclusion to you.

    Last time I checked journalists weren't experts in pandemic control either.

    Okay.


  • #7605
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Great reply :rolleyes:

    I know, no need to remind me :D


  • #7606
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    xhomelezz wrote: »
    I know, no need to remind me :D

    Reading back I now realise you were talking about me looking for a pointless argument, I thought you meant yourself initially.

    I only posted the article as it was just published this afternoon and is an interesting diversion of approach compared to other enclosed places like shopping centres.


  • #7607
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    The wider problem is people who can't think for themselves and need articles to tell them what to do (in practice to mislead and brainwash...once you lean into whatever bubble the algorithm has chosen for you).

    Their "evidence" is always "X said Y" and "X is credible because...."


  • #7608
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Reading back I now realise you were talking about me looking for a pointless argument, I thought you meant yourself initially.

    I only posted the article as it was just published this afternoon and is an interesting diversion of approach compared to other enclosed places like shopping centres.

    If that's the case, my apologies. Misunderstood your post. And nope, not looking for pointless argument.


  • #7609
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    i_surge wrote: »
    The wider problem is people who can't think for themselves and need articles to tell them what to do (in practice to mislead and brainwash...once you lean into whatever bubble the algorithm has chosen for you).

    Their "evidence" is always "X said Y" and "X is credible because...."

    I agree. I use this data source as a barometer of how destructive covid is in Ireland;

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/


  • #7610
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    Assetbacked wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/students-to-wear-face-coverings-in-lectures-where-two-metre-distance-not-possible-1.4323087



    That sums it up; only where social distancing is not possible do you need masks and is based on spending more time than just a fleeting moment within two metres of the person. Just because you're indoors doesn't mean you need a mask.

    Btw you should go and discuss this new government's idea on schools reopening thread, pointed out same there this morning, cuz it doesn't add up with the mighty plan for secondary schools, which is pure f.. bul...


  • #7611
    bloopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭bloopy


    i_surge wrote: »
    Bollox

    Is it noble to wilfully suffer the inferiority of others without complaint?

    The paradox of tolerance applies here in full effect.

    Holy ****, the arrogance.


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  • #7612
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    bloopy wrote: »
    Holy ****, the arrogance.

    How is it arrogant to want people to wear an ffffing mask for the public good?


  • #7613
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,351 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Yes: surgical
    bloopy wrote: »
    Holy ****, the arrogance.

    Its true though. Stupid people are the main thing making this pandemic worse. Be they individuals or leaders. I've lost a lot of faith in my fellow man after all the things I've seen over the last few months.


  • #7614
    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    i_surge wrote: »
    Just cut out the messing and make it no mask no entry/no service in shops.

    That worked out well for the bus driver in France, it’s easy for you to type it but try putting it into practice isn’t so simple.


  • #7615
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    That worked out well for the bus driver in France, it’s easy for you to type it but try putting it into practice isn’t so simple.

    You are cherry picking and your post is horse**** because it has been successfully adopted in loads of places now. Mask use would save more lives that 1 lost.

    The root cause of this incident is this stupid political allegiance to being an obstinate selfish w*nker in any case.


  • #7616
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    There is some very odd logic being spouted through this thread.
    Somebody tragically died doing something once, I conclude nobody should ever do that thing ever again.

    :confused:

    Let's do a quick comparison;

    1 - Number of worldwide deaths by asking someone to wear a mask.
    706,000 - Number of worldwide deaths by coronavirus.


  • #7617
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,070 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    That worked out well for the bus driver in France, it’s easy for you to type it but try putting it into practice isn’t so simple.

    Is anything ever as simple as typing it?
    We managed to bring in smoking bans in pubs and buses and shops.
    There's scumbags and thugs out there.
    Doesn't mean we let them dictate public health policy.
    That's mob rule.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #7618
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Graham wrote: »
    There is some very odd logic being spouted through this thread.



    :confused:

    Let's do a quick comparison;

    1 - Number of worldwide deaths by asking someone to wear a mask.
    706,000 - Number of worldwide deaths by coronavirus.

    and there's no evidence that wearing a mask would have reduced or prevented those 706k deaths.


  • #7619
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,070 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    and there's no evidence that wearing a mask would have reduced or prevented those 706k deaths.

    Of course there is.
    Welcome to August 2020, perhaps you could update your frame of reference from March 2020.
    It's the same evidence that has persuaded multiple health authorities to change their guidance on masks.
    It's been repeated again and again on this thread and has not been rebutted.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #7620
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    From today's Irish Times
    Do face coverings work?

    Initially it was thought masks were not an effective protection against the virus. At the beginning of the pandemic scientists did not realise how infectious Covid-19 was and thought the drawbacks of asking everybody to wear a mask outweighed the benefits.

    However, as the pandemic progressed, epidemiologists have changed their view and now believe face coverings can stop the spread of the virus.

    The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) recently found the correct use of face masks by people who are asymptomatic may help reduce the spread of infection in the community who otherwise may have unwittingly spreading the virus.

    A recent study across 198 countries found those with cultural norms of mask-wearing had lower death rates from Covid-19.

    It explains how places like South Korea and Japan, where there is a strong culture of mask-wearing, have lower death rates than western countries and the United States where they are not the norm.
    How do masks work?

    Masks work by stopping most of the droplets which occur when people cough, sneeze or talk. They are better at protecting you from other people than vice versa, but if everybody wears a mask, the impact can be dramatic.

    In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for Covid-19.

    He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight yet all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for Covid-19.

    In another case, in the United States, two hair stylists had close contact with 140 clients while sick with Covid-19. Everyone wore a mask and none of the clients tested positive.


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  • #7621
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Tork wrote: »
    From today's Irish Times

    The reality is that they don't know.
    may help reduce the spread of infection


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