Jim_Hodge wrote: » Fortnightly big shop today. Supermarket, butcher and greengrocers had 100% wearing face coverings. Petrol station shop had 20% with a load if builders in for deli and coffee without masks.
In the event that tuition requires the staff member to be less than two metres from students, the staff member should wear face shields, visors or other protective equipment which will be provided by the college or university.
Assetbacked wrote: » Just because you're indoors doesn't mean you need a mask.
i_surge wrote: » Why? So many factors around ventilation, room size and the number of people. I think you are just making it up.
Assetbacked wrote: » https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/students-to-wear-face-coverings-in-lectures-where-two-metre-distance-not-possible-1.4323087 That sums it up; only where social distancing is not possible do you need masks and is based on spending more time than just a fleeting moment within two metres of the person. Just because you're indoors doesn't mean you need a mask.
Assetbacked wrote: » Did you not read the article? The policy on mask wearing only applies where social distancing is not possible in lectures and classrooms.
odyssey06 wrote: » Wait for the infections in such environments and offices with poor ventilation. There's a whole thread on it here:https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114205500 We're not learning from the lessons of Japan who has fewer covid-19 deaths than we did with did despite having 20 times the population.
As the virus spread, it quickly became clear that Covid is a disease that primarily kills the elderly and is massively amplified by crowds or prolonged close contact. Per capita, Japan has more elderly than any other country. Japan's population is also densely packed into huge cities. Greater Tokyo has a mind-boggling 37 million people and for most of them, the only way to get around is on the city's notoriously packed trains. Then there is Japan's refusal to heed the advice of the World Health Organization (WHO) to "test, test, test". Even now, total PCR tests stand at just 348,000, or 0.27% of Japan's population. Nor has Japan had a lockdown on the scale or severity of Europe. In early April, the government ordered a state of emergency. But the stay-at-home request was voluntary. Non-essential businesses were asked to close, but there was no legal penalty for refusing.
xhomelezz wrote: » Just looking for pointless argument, that's all..
i_surge wrote: » I don't need an article to tell me what is obvious from first principles and basic knowledge of the virus and I would add basic knowledge of humanity, compliance and the psychology behind it. I skimmed it and still came to opposite conclusion to you. Last time I checked journalists weren't experts in pandemic control either.
Assetbacked wrote: » Great reply :rolleyes:
xhomelezz wrote: » I know, no need to remind me
Assetbacked wrote: » Reading back I now realise you were talking about me looking for a pointless argument, I thought you meant yourself initially. I only posted the article as it was just published this afternoon and is an interesting diversion of approach compared to other enclosed places like shopping centres.
i_surge wrote: » The wider problem is people who can't think for themselves and need articles to tell them what to do (in practice to mislead and brainwash...once you lean into whatever bubble the algorithm has chosen for you). Their "evidence" is always "X said Y" and "X is credible because...."
i_surge wrote: » Bollox Is it noble to wilfully suffer the inferiority of others without complaint? The paradox of tolerance applies here in full effect.
bloopy wrote: » Holy ****, the arrogance.
i_surge wrote: » Just cut out the messing and make it no mask no entry/no service in shops.
Dakota Dan wrote: » That worked out well for the bus driver in France, it’s easy for you to type it but try putting it into practice isn’t so simple.
Somebody tragically died doing something once, I conclude nobody should ever do that thing ever again.
Graham wrote: » There is some very odd logic being spouted through this thread. Let's do a quick comparison; 1 - Number of worldwide deaths by asking someone to wear a mask. 706,000 - Number of worldwide deaths by coronavirus.
Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: » and there's no evidence that wearing a mask would have reduced or prevented those 706k deaths.
Do face coverings work? Initially it was thought masks were not an effective protection against the virus. At the beginning of the pandemic scientists did not realise how infectious Covid-19 was and thought the drawbacks of asking everybody to wear a mask outweighed the benefits. However, as the pandemic progressed, epidemiologists have changed their view and now believe face coverings can stop the spread of the virus. The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) recently found the correct use of face masks by people who are asymptomatic may help reduce the spread of infection in the community who otherwise may have unwittingly spreading the virus. A recent study across 198 countries found those with cultural norms of mask-wearing had lower death rates from Covid-19. It explains how places like South Korea and Japan, where there is a strong culture of mask-wearing, have lower death rates than western countries and the United States where they are not the norm.
How do masks work? Masks work by stopping most of the droplets which occur when people cough, sneeze or talk. They are better at protecting you from other people than vice versa, but if everybody wears a mask, the impact can be dramatic. In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for Covid-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight yet all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for Covid-19. In another case, in the United States, two hair stylists had close contact with 140 clients while sick with Covid-19. Everyone wore a mask and none of the clients tested positive.
Tork wrote: » From today's Irish Times
may help reduce the spread of infection
odyssey06 wrote: » Of course there is. Welcome to August 2020, perhaps you could update your frame of reference from March 2020. It's the same evidence that has persuaded multiple health authorities to change their guidance on masks. It's been repeated again and again on this thread and has not been rebutted.
