Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Fann Linn · 06-08-2020 12:24PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

A Pub in Dundalk just had this on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/McAlesters/?epa=SEARCH_BOX

�� GOOD NEWS ALERT ��

We’re delighted to announce that from tomorrow evening, we’ll to reopening with a food menu which will be served in conjunction with our good friends in Tony’s Pizzeria.

All Government guidelines have been implemented and will be strictly adhered too.

To make a booking, please private message us on Facebook.

Things are different for us all now so we thank you in advance for your patience and support.

The pub is in one end of the Town and the Pizza place is the other end of town.

By next weekend, every pub in town will be open

Entrepreneurial spirit being shown there. Should be applauded.

GazzaL · 06-08-2020 12:26PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

A Pub in Dundalk just had this on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/McAlesters/?epa=SEARCH_BOX

�� GOOD NEWS ALERT ��

We’re delighted to announce that from tomorrow evening, we’ll to reopening with a food menu which will be served in conjunction with our good friends in Tony’s Pizzeria.

All Government guidelines have been implemented and will be strictly adhered too.

To make a booking, please private message us on Facebook.

Things are different for us all now so we thank you in advance for your patience and support.

The pub is in one end of the Town and the Pizza place is the other end of town.

By next weekend, every pub in town will be open

You can't keep a good man down! Good on them!

the corpo · 06-08-2020 12:31PM

Probably been posted on this thread already, but a publican I know was saying there's not a chance they'll be opening before the end of September, it just doesn't make sense to bring schools and pubs back at the same time, far too hard to monitor both operations for outbreaks etc.

weldoninhio · 06-08-2020 12:32PM

hmmm wrote: »

You make it sound like clusters come under control in some very simple and easy manner.

In reality a case is discovered after they have been symptomatic for a few days, possibly in hospital which will mean they've been infectious for perhaps two weeks, which then kicks off a desperate attempt to know everywhere they have been, find everyone they have been in contact with and track them down. This doesn't even include all the surfaces they have touched which will never be located and cleaned. It's all very well if they've travelled to and from work and home in their own car, but if that person has then gone to a pub or travelled on public transport the number of potentially infected has just rocketed.

Contact tracing is an exercise in risk-reduction, it isn't guaranteed to stop spread. Clearly in Aberdeen given the number of pubs now being mentioned, the contact tracers have decided that they have no way of knowing how many potentially infected there are, and so the entire city now faces at least two weeks of lockdown.

Again, no one is dying or being hospitalised from theses clusters. We can see from the stats that the vast majority aren't massively effected by this. Yet we are at panic stations.

hmmm · 06-08-2020 12:38PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Again, no one is dying or being hospitalised from theses clusters. We can see from the stats that the vast majority aren't massively effected by this. Yet we are at panic stations.

I don't see any evidence of panic - where are you seeing that?

We're being cautious, but panic is what they have in Aberdeen and Melbourne with immediate lockdowns. We haven't had anything like that (yet), and why a cautious approach is being taken.

It's too early to tell whether there will be many hospitalisations or deaths. It takes weeks from initial infection to hospitalisation to ICU to potential deaths. Our ICU numbers have apparently spiked today, but that might just be an aberration (hopefully).

rubadub · 06-08-2020 12:40PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

mountgomery burns wrote: »

The worst thing about that sanctimonious post above was the suggestion that hand sanitization is less likely in pubs than elsewhere.

An obvious example of the sort of prejudice the industry is facing.

hhahaha, if that was the WORST bit it sounds like you thought it was a decent post!

An obvious example of the feigned ignorance bullshit that these threads are facing.

duurrrr, I never knew food likely reduces drunkeness,
durrrr, why would people act differently after using mind altering drugs, doesn't happen in my pub, you must be in a hellhole

https://www.alcohol.org/effects/inhibitions/

You're fooling nobody with this utter bullshit. Cringeworthy crap.

Fann Linn · 06-08-2020 12:42PM

Anyone who was in Clare last weekend will probably have dysentery along with Covid! 4 beaches shut down there now by Clare Co Council due to pollution.

06-08-2020 12:44PM

rubadub wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

hhahaha, if that was the WORST bit it sounds like you thought it was a decent post!

An obvious example of the feigned ignorance bullshit that these threads are facing.

duurrrr, I never knew food likely reduces drunkeness,
durrrr, why would people act differently after using mind altering drugs, doesn't happen in my pub, you must be in a hellhole

https://www.alcohol.org/effects/inhibitions/

You're fooling nobody with this utter bullshit. Cringeworthy crap.

Genuinely - have you been to a pub or restaurant recently? People are behaving differently. They will of course use hand sanitiser.

joe40 · 06-08-2020 12:56PM

The livelihoods of publicans and their staff is a major concern. I would like to see measures been taken to ensure businesses remain viable.

But for the next few weeks the main priority is to get the schools back. If there is evidence that restaurants/ food pubs are flouting regulations then I would support their closure again.
Priorities right now are Health, Economy, and Education.

Recreation is vitally important also, and pubs are part of that, but it can be put on hold for another few months.

They will eventually open but I for one can wait a bit longer.

I'm not in the slightest bit anti pub, I love a pint and drinking at home, or house parties is not comparable.

seamus · 06-08-2020 12:56PM

never_mind wrote: »

I genuinely feel so bad for the small pub owners all over Ireland over this ridiculous decision. It seems as though restaurants have not made the covid situation worse and I don't understand how opening pubs would do the same as community transmission is so low at the moment.

Because pubs aren't restaurants. The restaurant guidelines aren't a million miles away from how they have always operated anyway - a few people at a table getting food and moving on within about two hours. The only real difference is greater hygiene requirements and the requirement to collect contact details.

A pub is in general more akin to a huge anonymous house party. Pull pubs back to the same guidelines as restaurants, and the level of policing required is much larger - how to do you ensure that nobody stays longer than 105 minutes? How do you ensure that people stay with their groups? How do you collect contact details of everyone who walks in off the street?

And most importantly, how do we ensure that pubs are sticking with these rules? We know lots already aren't.

Ultimately the reopening of pubs hinges on stability of the numbers. It's been kicked down the road twice now because the numbers started creeping back up. Yes, we know this is an expected consequence of lifting restrictions in general, but stability is important. Once we know what the next baseline is, then we can look at the next step. If it sits around 50 for the next few weeks, we might be OK. If we're looking at 100 a day, growing by 5%, then the last thing we need is open pubs.

2ndcoming · 06-08-2020 01:02PM

topper75 wrote: »

I picked up the BAME peculiarity in a leftist rag:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/why-are-people-from-bame-groups-dying-disproportionately-of-covid-19

As you well know they aren't to be trusted and I shouldn't have mentioned it. Apologies.

I don't think you "picked up" anything from that article tbh.

ShooterSF · 06-08-2020 01:09PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

A Pub in Dundalk just had this on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/McAlesters/?epa=SEARCH_BOX

�� GOOD NEWS ALERT ��

We’re delighted to announce that from tomorrow evening, we’ll to reopening with a food menu which will be served in conjunction with our good friends in Tony’s Pizzeria.

All Government guidelines have been implemented and will be strictly adhered too.

To make a booking, please private message us on Facebook.

Things are different for us all now so we thank you in advance for your patience and support.

The pub is in one end of the Town and the Pizza place is the other end of town.

By next weekend, every pub in town will be open

I'd say its gonna take a lot of work from both establishments if they are far apart. Pizza not the fastest thing to make either so that would surely put you under pressure to order, get your food and eat it in 105 minutes.
I suppose it depends how big the pub is and how much pressure is subsequently put on the pizzeria.

weldoninhio · 06-08-2020 01:12PM

hmmm wrote: »

I don't see any evidence of panic - where are you seeing that?

We're being cautious, but panic is what they have in Aberdeen and Melbourne with immediate lockdowns. We haven't had anything like that (yet), and why a cautious approach is being taken.

It's too early to tell whether there will be many hospitalisations or deaths. It takes weeks from initial infection to hospitalisation to ICU to potential deaths. Our ICU numbers have apparently spiked today, but that might just be an aberration (hopefully).

Masks everywhere indoor suddenly, no outdoor crowds bigger than 200, restaurants to be closed and everyone out by 11pm.

As for the bolded bit, fearmongering.

listermint · 06-08-2020 01:17PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Masks everywhere indoor suddenly, no outdoor crowds bigger than 200, restaurants to be closed and everyone out by 11pm.

As for the bolded bit, fearmongering.

erm... none of that is 'panic'

Im not sure you know what panic means but perhaps look it up...

stephenjmcd · 06-08-2020 01:24PM

hmmm wrote: »

Our ICU numbers have apparently spiked today, but that might just be an aberration (hopefully).

Our ICU numbers have not spiked today.

6 in ICU with covid at 18.30 last night.

5 at 11am with a confirmed discharge from ICU.

Nothing to do with this thread subject but thought I'd end that before it grew legs.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

dundalkfc10 · 06-08-2020 01:25PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

I'd say its gonna take a lot of work from both establishments if they are far apart. Pizza not the fastest thing to make either so that would surely put you under pressure to order, get your food and eat it in 105 minutes.
I suppose it depends how big the pub is and how much pressure is subsequently put on the pizzeria.

Ive been out to restaurants maybe 4 times since all this 105 mins nonsense started and not once have i or seen anybody been asked to leave until they wanted too.

Amirani · 06-08-2020 01:27PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

How many hospitalisations from the Aberdeen cluster? Deaths? Like I said, and you conveniently ignored, we've had much larger clusters in Kildare over the past 2 weeks. Minimal hospitalistations, zero deaths, minimal impact on our health service. Our numbers in hospital went to 17 at one stage last week but is back down to 9 now, with no increase in ICU or ventilations.

So why freak out about "clusters" once they are under control, no one is dying or even needing hospital treatment.

There's a lag between case spikes and hospitalisations/deaths.

We've seen upward movement in ICU and hospital admissions here the past day or two. There will be deaths announced today and more in the coming days.

joeguevara · 06-08-2020 01:29PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Our ICU numbers have not spiked today.

6 in ICU with covid at 18.30 last night.

5 at 11am with a confirmed discharge from ICU.

Nothing to do with this thread subject but thought I'd end that before it grew legs.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

I think this is what they were referring to from a couple of hours ago

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/number-coronavirus-patients-icu-ireland-22478877

weldoninhio · 06-08-2020 01:31PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Our ICU numbers have not spiked today.

6 in ICU with covid at 18.30 last night.

5 at 11am with a confirmed discharge from ICU.

Nothing to do with this thread subject but thought I'd end that before it grew legs.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

Exactly, fear mongering. Some people love spreading fear. Ghouls.

weldoninhio · 06-08-2020 01:32PM

Amirani wrote: »

There's a lag between case spikes and hospitalisations/deaths.

We've seen upward movement in ICU and hospital admissions here the past day or two. There will be deaths announced today and more in the coming days.

There has been no upward movement in ICU in the past week or so. It decreased this morning, as have hospital admissions. Stop spreading misinformation.

stephenjmcd · 06-08-2020 01:33PM

joeguevara wrote: »

I think this is what they were referring to from a couple of hours ago

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/number-coronavirus-patients-icu-ireland-22478877

For the love of god are we still paying attention to suspected cases, I expect that from the mirror to be fair.

Christ almighty, I dont want to derail thread from topic but every single person is tested when they're moved into different areas of hosptial.

suspected cases are NOT a good metric. 0 cases recorded in hosptials up to 8pm last night for yesterday. Everyone symptoms or not that gets a swab is a suspected case until negative result.

Anyway like I said off topic, we're supposed to be discussing pints and pizza in Dundalk

weldoninhio · 06-08-2020 01:35PM

joeguevara wrote: »

I think this is what they were referring to from a couple of hours ago

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/number-coronavirus-patients-icu-ireland-22478877

Newspaper in sensationalism claim to sell papers shock. Not having a go at you Joe, you didn't write the article, but again this is project fear from the papers. Officially, numbers in hospital and ICU have dropped rather than risen.

hmmm · 06-08-2020 01:35PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Our ICU numbers have not spiked today.

6 in ICU with covid at 18.30 last night.

5 at 11am with a confirmed discharge from ICU.

Nothing to do with this thread subject but thought I'd end that before it grew legs.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

You need to relax a bit and stop jumping down people's throats. Just stating what the media were saying earlier today. As I said, hopefully it is an aberration, but the original poster was saying that we were seeing no rise in hospitalisations or ICU numbers and I was pointing out that this would come with a lag.
https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1291316667797184512

joeguevara · 06-08-2020 01:37PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

For the love of god are we still paying attention to suspected cases, I expect that from the mirror to be fair.

Christ almighty, I dont want to derail thread from topic but every single person is tested when they're moved into different areas of hosptial.

Again its off topic, suspected cases are NOT a good metric. 0 cases recorded in hosptials up to 8pm last night for yesterday. Everyone symptoms or not that gets a swab is a suspected case until negative result.

Anyway like I said off topic, we're supposed to be discussing pints and pizza in Dundalk

You’re right. I only referenced it as it was what the poster had mentioned. It does stated there there are 20 people in a crititical care face facility (icu) but we should wait for confirmation from the HSE.

Fair play to the Dundalk pub. Shows if you want to open you can.

Amirani · 06-08-2020 01:38PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

There has been no upward movement in ICU in the past week or so. It decreased this morning, as have hospital admissions. Stop spreading misinformation.

The number of people being admitted to hospital with Covid has increased in the past couple of days, that's a fact.

stephenjmcd · 06-08-2020 01:40PM

hmmm wrote: »

You need to relax a bit and stop jumping down people's throats. Just stating what the media were saying earlier today. As I said, hopefully it is an aberration, but the original poster was saying that we were seeing no rise in hospitalisations or ICU numbers and I was pointing out that this would come with a lag.
https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1291316667797184512

6 admissions to ICU in the last 24hrs = 6 more people to test, its there in the bed figures that there's been 6 admissions across the country, for whatever reason.

I have a relative who's an ICU nurse in James's so I know exactly what the protocol is. Anyone moved into ICU for any reason is tested.

To be clear not having a go at your here by the way, its pure sensationalism on the medias part.

Anyone awaiting the result is to be recorded by the hosptial for statistical reasons as a suspected case until otherwise proven by the test result.

As I said here's this mornings latest numbers

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

weldoninhio · 06-08-2020 01:47PM

Amirani wrote: »

The number of people being admitted to hospital with Covid has increased in the past couple of days, that's a fact.

You are spreading misinformation.

06-08-2020 01:48PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

You are spreading misinformation.

Are you that desperate to sit at a bar that you’re just going to blatantly lie? Some priorities.

joeguevara · 06-08-2020 01:49PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

You are spreading misinformation.

Cough, Strasbourg courts masks, cough.

Muahahaha · 06-08-2020 01:53PM

nacho libre wrote: »

This is similar to what an Oxford Epidemiologist said a couple of weeks ago. I do feel sorry for single old fellas living in isolated rural areas where the local pub is their only real social outlet. In some of these pubs you'd maybe have the same 9 or 10 men in the pub all week. I don't think the risk of these men spreading the virus is any greater than people in a packed bar serving food in a tourist hotspot last weekend.

Old fellas in rural areas should really look at taking a visit to their local mens shed. Theres over 450 of them nationwide purposefully targeting men who are elderly and isolated. Neighbour of mine goes to one a couple of times a week, he's a retired GP and has been learning carpentry and woodworking in the local mens shed. Its a great social outlet for him and the other men who meet up regularly, he's made some good friends through it.

Pubs aren't the only social outlet available in rural areas even though publicans would have us believe that they are. Mens sheds can be set up by any small group, indeed over 450 already have and thousands of people in rural areas use them regularly.

Lots of info on them here https://menssheds.ie/

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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