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1967 VW Variant.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    davycha wrote: »
    Well done ,Kadman and your brother :),
    Delighted to see this car back running and moving about on its own steam.
    Great Thread , keep up the good work.

    davycha

    Air cooled so no steam.

    Great to see it running though. They are a great engine - good old Ferdinand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭John.G


    Dont forget Hans Ledwinka either though.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Rear lights don't seem to be working. Instant NCT fail :pac::P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Tow


    Rear lights don't seem to be working. Instant NCT fail :pac::P

    Good thing it is exempt ;-)

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Tow wrote: »
    Good thing it is exempt ;-)

    I know I know. Just a terrible joke :D


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Rear lights don't seem to be working. Instant NCT fail :pac::P


    We got a 53 yearold non runner driving in a day or two.

    how long do you think the brake lights will take:P:P:P:P:P:P


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    kadman wrote: »
    We got a 53 yearold non runner driving in a day or two.

    how long do you think the brake lights will take:P:P:P:P:P:P

    At the rate this is going it could be by the weekend :pac:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    @ Kadman

    Is the VW Sqareback a 6 volt or 12 volt electrics?

    The Beetle changed to 12 volts about 1972. (I think).


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Beetle changed to 12 volt far earlier than 72. I think it was 67-68
    if memory serves me well. But open to correction on that.

    The Variant ( marketed as the squareback in the US) that we have here is from the production year
    August 66, so is in essence a 67 car.

    And it is 12 volt electronics, with a dynamo and regulator.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    Don't even have a driving license but have a massive urge to buy an old car to tinker round on. Normally scratch that itch restoring bicycles but I don't think that will cut it anymore!

    Great stuff.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    kadman wrote: »
    Beetle changed to 12 volt far earlier than 72. I think it was 67-68
    if memory serves me well. But open to correction on that.

    The Variant ( marketed as the squareback in the US) that we have here is from the production year
    August 66, so is in essence a 67 car.

    And it is 12 volt electronics, with a dynamo and regulator.

    The last 6v Beetle was 1972, but they started with 12 v about 1966. The 12 v Beetle had the larger rear lights which was from 1972.

    Now I may be wrong, but I cannot find definite info.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    The last 6v Beetle was 1972, but they started with 12 v about 1966. The 12 v Beetle had the larger rear lights which was from 1972.

    Now I may be wrong, but I cannot find definite info.

    They rolled out 12v in 66-67. But there was a reluctance from dealers that had large stocks of 6v parts apparently to switch straight away.
    they
    I believe in europe they kept using 6v until 72.
    I've owned and driven many vw 's. Beetles and variants and fastbacks from
    1963 all the way up to 76. And the only 6v I recall were
    63 beetle, 65 Fastback, 55 oval, and burnt out the harness of a 67 1300 12 v beetle
    when I let a spanner fall across the fusebox at lunchtime at work, and never spotted it until 5.30 that evening.

    But myself John and my dad stripped the harness from another beetle, and re wired it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    kadman wrote: »
    They rolled out 12v in 66-67. But there was a reluctance from dealers that had large stocks of 6v parts apparently to switch straight away.
    they
    I believe in europe they kept using 6v until 72.
    I've owned and driven many vw 's. Beetles and variants and fastbacks from
    1963 all the way up to 76. And the only 6v I recall were
    63 beetle, 65 Fastback, 55 oval, and burnt out the harness of a 67 1300 12 v beetle
    when I let a spanner fall across the fusebox at lunchtime at work, and never spotted it until 5.30 that evening.

    But myself John and my dad stripped the harness from another beetle, and re wired it

    Lucky there wasn't a fire.

    Great stuff so far, it is great to follow.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    kadman wrote: »
    They rolled out 12v in 66-67. But there was a reluctance from dealers that had large stocks of 6v parts apparently to switch straight away.
    they
    I believe in europe they kept using 6v until 72.
    I've owned and driven many vw 's. Beetles and variants and fastbacks from
    1963 all the way up to 76. And the only 6v I recall were
    63 beetle, 65 Fastback, 55 oval, and burnt out the harness of a 67 1300 12 v beetle
    when I let a spanner fall across the fusebox at lunchtime at work, and never spotted it until 5.30 that evening.

    But myself John and my dad stripped the harness from another beetle, and re wired it

    It is just I remember being told that the Beetle 1300 (it might have been the 1302) with the big rear lights was the first major redesign of the Beetle that introduced 12 volts. I think disc brakes may have featured as well.

    Now other models like the Variant might have had 12 volts much sooner.

    Good luck, and watch your spanners - 12 volts will fry the harness quicker than 6 volts.

    I think you have done an incredible job to get as far as you have in such a short time. The bodge on the carburettor was a probable cause of it being parked up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭wildwillow


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    Lucky there wasn't a fire.

    Great stuff so far, it is great to follow.

    I remember that my father always disconnected the battery when he was leaving a car in the garage overnight for fear of fire.

    Many tools, including spanners were returned to him by customers who found them in various locations and recognised them from his initials on them.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    It is just I remember being told that the Beetle 1300 (it might have been the 1302) with the big rear lights was the first major redesign of the Beetle that introduced 12 volts. I think disc brakes may have featured as well.

    Now other models like the Variant might have had 12 volts much sooner.

    Good luck, and watch your spanners - 12 volts will fry the harness quicker than 6 volts.

    I think you have done an incredible job to get as far as you have in such a short time. The bodge on the carburettor was a probable cause of it being parked up.

    I wouldn't call the attempt at a fix on the carb as a bodge. Whoever did it had noticed a flooding issue on the carb. And he tried to raise the float arm to hit the needle valve to shut off earlier. He diagnosed the issue and a possible fix. Fair dues on an unknown VW engine design relative to beetles at the time.

    THis would have worked no problem, but where he slipped up was not fitting the spring clip on the float arm. This allowed the back end of the float to rise up. If the clip was fitted, then there would be no flooding, and I would not have stripped it.

    And in fairness to the chap that maintained this car, I suspect alfa's dad, every nut I have removed, bar none has been correctly tightened, and not a single overtightened one among them all so far.
    This tells me that the mechanic did not have to rely on brute force just in case. he was confident with mechanics I'd say.:)

    Its a far cry from" give it a bit more just to be sure":D:D


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    wildwillow wrote: »
    I remember that my father always disconnected the battery when he was leaving a car in the garage overnight for fear of fire.

    Many tools, including spanners were returned to him by customers who found them in various locations and recognised them from his initials on them.
    +

    I was fitting a radio into my beetle at the time during a lunchbreak.

    And the boss screaming at me, and me being a young chippy on site, I slammed the bonnet, and got back to work.

    Never knew until later. After that if a boss shouted at me, I'd tell him to f.....k off:p:p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭MrCostington


    kadman wrote: »
    Update.
    I managed to get the car driving out of the shed. And I wanted it moving, to check all gears, which you can see me trying in the vid.

    Its all good, gearstick selector plate needs a small bit of adjusting thats all..

    So we are getting nearer to liftoff.:)

    Well done!! Fantastic work kadman!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭John.G


    wildwillow wrote: »
    I remember that my father always disconnected the battery when he was leaving a car in the garage overnight for fear of fire.

    Many tools, including spanners were returned to him by customers who found them in various locations and recognised them from his initials on them.

    Another nice source of a beetle fire was to forget to replace the battery + terminal plastic protector then seat a few hefty people in the back so as that the seat springs contacted the terminal, first direct seat heating by VW!.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    John.G wrote: »
    Another nice source of a beetle fire was to forget to replace the battery + terminal plastic protector then seat a few hefty people in the back so as that the seat springs contacted the terminal, first direct seat heating by VW!.

    True. Its very rare that the plastic battery cover survives, but in this Variants case its there and like new. So there will be no fried arses in the making of these videos:D


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Back by popular request,
    53 year old barn find...with sound, and lots of it:D:D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    that is such a cool looking car


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Better turning radius than my 2011 Auris


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    Is the VW Sqareback a 6 volt or 12 volt electrics?

    The type 3 got 12V as standard for the 1967 model year. 12V was available as an option prior to 1967.

    It's in this book:
    https://books.google.ie/books/about/Volkswagen_Type_3.html?id=ArkJDgAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y


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    John.G wrote: »
    Another nice source of a beetle fire was to forget to replace the battery + terminal plastic protector then seat a few hefty people in the back so as that the seat springs contacted the terminal, first direct seat heating by VW!.

    That nearly happened with my parents Beetle many many years before I was born so I've been told. There was smoke but no fire and it was just my sister (the eldest) who was a toddler at the time sitting in the back. Don't think she was a hefty kid. The money wasn't there to get to that stage at the time :pac:

    I remember my dad telling me about having to put cement blocks in the boot (front) because the Beetle would be doing wheelies because if its terrible weight distribution


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭John.G


    VW recommended you placed them in a suitcase first for easier handling. (Health&Safety)
    You also didn't need a petrol gauge as you had a 5 litre reserve when you turned over the fuel tap on running out of juice and to protect your hush puppies... a wheel type accelerator, what more could you ask for??.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Jaysus! What a bizarre set up!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭SmartinMartin


    That yard is immaculate. I'd have sh1t piled everywhere if my missus didn't batter me once every few weeks.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Well now that the variant has landed...missus thinks theres more **** in the Yard

    But sons girlfriend thinks its dead cool:cool::cool:


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    I spotted something strange on the variant that I have never seen on any other Vw
    we had.

    Its at the base of the A post on both doors. I thought at first it was something to do with
    door alignment or sagging. Then I thought maybe a contact for an alarm.

    Its very solid and not flexible or spring loaded . So i am lost on this at the moment.

    VcHf6N0.jpg

    KmnvdRm.jpg

    It definitely appears to be a VW fitment and not an add on.
    I must check out options
    on vehicles.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Interior light cluster switches maybe? Did that car even have them? Its 22 years older than me BTW :pac:


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Interior light cluster switches maybe? Did that car even have them? Its 22 years older than me BTW :pac:

    I thought that too, but its too late to go check.

    I will investigate tomorrow

    I am 12 years older than this car:D

    I will shortly need a resto:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭SmartinMartin




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman



    If i brought that home now, I would need a major resto for sure.

    Her indoors thinks I have a major problem with old volks. She say I am running a rescue centre for old volkswagens.

    But its a mind over matter thing.

    I dont mind what she thinks coz it dont matter.:D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    That last video is great kadman .... unbelievable what you and your brother have done in such a short space of time .... so impressed!! ... love the way you pat the wing at the end of the clip :):)


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    I just found out what the levers are.
    They are connected to the front seats apparently.
    When the doors are opened the front seats can flip forward for rear seat access.

    When the doors are closed, the front seat backs are locked in an upright position


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    alfa beta wrote: »
    That last video is great kadman .... unbelievable what you and your brother have done in such a short space of time .... so impressed!! ... love the way you pat the wing at the end of the clip :):)

    The pat was recognition of how good the car is, and how pleased i am with it.

    Did your mum see it at all :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    not yet - I was waiting for the 'sound and vision' version before showing her, and now that you've put that up I'm sure she'll be amazed - will show her tomorrow..


    btw, good news ... I think we've found the front indicator (both the orange plastic bit and the chrome fitting) ..... I just been pausing your vid as you drive towards the camera and I'm pretty sure what we've found is the right shape .... I'll double check tomorrow and if it's what I think it is it'll be in the post to you asap ... :)


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    alfa beta wrote: »
    not yet - I was waiting for the 'sound and vision' version before showing her, and now that you've put that up I'm sure she'll be amazed - will show her tomorrow..


    btw, good news ... I think we've found the front indicator (both the orange plastic bit and the chrome fitting) ..... I just been pausing your vid as you drive towards the camera and I'm pretty sure what we've found is the right shape .... I'll double check tomorrow and if it's what I think it is it'll be in the post to you asap ... :)


    Brilliant looks like I will have to make another small donation so:):)


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Well you definitely have plenty of sound on the video, because the exhaust has numerous splits in it.

    I might weld it, or fit a New Old Stock exhaust that I have, 2 really.

    But thats another days work.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    Don't be silly - it's part of the car - so no further donation required!!!



    Anyway, hold fire until I check tomorrow - it looks right, but there was so much stuff came and went through the years including beetles, minibus, VW vans etc. I'd be afraid it might be off something else entirely.


    If you get a chance in the morning could you post a close up pic of the other indicator on this thread - then I'll know for sure one way or the other if what I have is any good to you.



    :)


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    There you go, same as this one, but the opposite side, they are not handed.

    jsWHLE6.jpg?2


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    These are the correct lenses, and they fit into a chrome surround

    VUSn3Ze.jpg


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Well a few more surprises today.

    I decided to get the seats ou, remove the carpet and check the floor pan edges.
    This is where type 3's rust primarily, at the floor pan edge where
    it attaches to the heater channels.
    Pictures of which I will put in a later post.

    Surprise number 1 was that the carpet had velcro attachments:eek:
    I did not think velcro was invented back then.

    FL6pCSy.jpg


    Surprise number 2 was the condition of the seat bases.
    I think immaculate says it best. This is the drivers seat, which normally suffers most. Its metalwork is undamaged and intact.

    iZF3vNW.jpg

    Surprise number 3 the floor pan insulation is immaculate also. Its normally broken due to brittleness, missing, or otherwise loose from the pan.
    Its 100% perfect and well attached. With even manufacturers details still attached.

    CJxtWBy.jpg


    More surprises to follow, stay tuned:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 27 BbSean


    [QUOTE=kadman;114233254

    Surprise number 1 was that the carpet had velcro attachments:eek:
    I did not think velcro was invented back then.

    [/QUOTE]

    Velcro was widely used on the Apollo 1 mission and was a contribution to fierce fire that killed the crew it helped spread the fire as it was highly flammable.

    It was invented in the 1940’s or at least developed then.

    This is about the only thing that I can contribute to this thread.

    Impressive work to date!

    Watching the video of you driving it out of the garage and giving the double thumbs up brought a smile to my face.

    And thanks for keeping me sane in the past two weeks of quarantine 😁


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    BbSean wrote: »
    Velcro was widely used on the Apollo 1 mission and was a contribution to fierce fire that killed the crew it helped spread the fire as it was highly flammable.

    It was invented in the 1940’s or at least developed then.

    This is about the only thing that I can contribute to this thread.

    Impressive work to date!

    Watching the video of you driving it out of the garage and giving the double thumbs up brought a smile to my face.

    And thanks for keeping me sane in the past two weeks of quarantine 😁


    Thanks for that snippet:)

    I,ll keep a good eye on that when I reach Mach 10 on takeoff:D


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Just got a heads up from an observant viewer to the last vid, that the left brakelight does in fact work:D

    Now that John spotted that, he can fix the one that does not work:P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    Hi Kadman - this is what we found - is this right? If so, I'll wrap it up and stick it in the post to you.


    indicator.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    I haven't a clue about cars other than how to drive one, I just wanted to say this thread is absolutely incredible. I love vintage cars so seeing one come to life like this is lovely to see.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Brilliant thats the one:)


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