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1967 VW Variant.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    In keeping with the theme of the vintage element of the thread,
    I have consulted the appropriate VW service pricing manuals, to see how much we earned,

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    Year pricing is ok,

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    Proper VW authorisation,

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    Now to add up

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    I'd say after all the overheads, John has earned about 1 shilling and sixpence:D:D

    And because I'm the gaffer, I got about ten bob for me day:p:p


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    Igotadose wrote: »
    All bow down to Kadman and his brother. We're so not worthy.

    I think you should direct your admiration to

    Alpha, his Mum, and Cope Foundation:):)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭ JabbaTheHut


    There's something very satifying about getting an old motor to start after it being laid up for so long. It's like it's been given a second chance at life. Well done on keeping us up to date.


  • Registered Users Posts: 248 ✭✭ Beagslife


    I think with the pace of your progress this could be a very quick thread!!!

    Well done and keep up the great work.

    😎


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭ John.G


    There's something very satifying about getting an old motor to start after it being laid up for so long. It's like it's been given a second chance at life. Well done on keeping us up to date.

    Especially one with the all vacuum advance system which has always fascinated me.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    Beagslife wrote: »
    I think with the pace of your progress this could be a very quick thread!!!

    Well done and keep up the great work.

    ��

    Not at all, its slowed up a bit because I am waiting for the rebuilt starter.

    Tomorrow all going well.

    I took the opportunity to take off the twin carbs, and clean them. I also

    replaced the bent float and missing float spring that was not installed on the right hand carb

    Inaccurate float levels can affect the normal running of the carb. From flooding chambers to fuel starvation. This is due to the main jet pick up tube, which is set well above the carb bottom, so that there is no major debris getting pulled into the small jet circuit.

    Consequently if the fuel level falls below the pickup, there is no fuel getting into the circuit.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    Here is the carb type fitted to the Squareback
    The 32PDSIT

    Decent looking enough after 53 years,

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    Here it is stripped down to the jets for cleaning with acetone and compressed air.
    In the middle of the pic you will see the float that has had the lever bent to make
    contact with the fuel needle valve to shut off petrol flow. This was solely because the spring
    clip that fits on top of the float location shaft is missing.
    This is a spring loaded clip that keeps the shaft forced down into its proper location,
    in the body,

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    Jets can be seen in the paper gasket,

    Here is the replacement float, nice and straight, complete with a new shaft
    and more importantly a replacement spring clip

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    Here are the replacement pieces in place in the carb body. No More explanation needed.

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    And here is the damaged float showing the brass lever plate bent to lodge the float in
    place in the body.

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    Watch this space.:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,923 ✭✭✭ Jeff2


    I think I found a link to download a PDF manual for so as people can understand what you're doing.

    It's PDF file so if you click and except then it will download to phone or PC

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/66_67type3/66_67_type_3_ownersmanual.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjBp4qIxPbqAhWVQhUIHbLAD3AQFjAKegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw06q_4-wdlKq9YYkcrV7CqU


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    I think I found a link to download a PDF manual for so as people can understand what you're doing.

    It's PDF file so if you click and except then it will download to phone or PC

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/66_67type3/66_67_type_3_ownersmanual.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjBp4qIxPbqAhWVQhUIHbLAD3AQFjAKegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw06q_4-wdlKq9YYkcrV7CqU


    Thanks Jeff2 thats a nice little find. As you say it shows all of the parts we are currently looking at.:)

    Even interesting that they give specific details of adjusting the volume screw on the carbs. This info was hard to get at times on the web for lads trying to get a handle on it, unless you were old school and learnt by experience with these cars.

    Volume screw was the screw that set the correct air/fuel mixture going into the manifold. It was set by ear basically, you had to note the engine sound.
    Or you set twin carbs by listening to the draw into the carbs with a small tube by your ear.
    Now you are aiming for stoichimetric values of 14-1 with various methods of checking it, meters, digital clocks, and exhaust gas analysers.

    But back in the day, and still today I set them by ear, and then check them with my VW guage.

    And i see that manual shows the fastback interior with seatbelts.
    This squareback has none. I'm not sure if they were ever fitted, but thats another days work:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭ John.G


    If the oil cooler shown is partially obscuring No3 cylinder then the timing on that cylinder was retarded by the cam profile as that cylinder ran hotter, the oil cooler was subsequently re located.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    John.G wrote: »
    If the oil cooler shown is partially obscuring No3 cylinder then the timing on that cylinder was retarded by the cam profile as that cylinder ran hotter, the oil cooler was subsequently re located.

    Correct, it was put in the doghouse;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭ zilog_jones


    kadman wrote: »
    And i see that manual shows the fastback interior with seatbelts.
    This squareback has none. I'm not sure if they were ever fitted, but thats another days work:)

    Going by the NCT, they weren't required in Ireland until June 1971? That manual is from the US, I don't think they were required by then (not until 1968) but lap belts in front seats were commonly fitted.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    Just got word, new starter is on the way, should have it at11.

    So should have a better engine running vid sometime today.:)


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    Going by the NCT, they weren't required in Ireland until June 1971? That manual is from the US, I don't think they were required by then (not until 1968) but lap belts in front seats were commonly fitted.

    Thought as much.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Great project. It's great seeing an old engine come to life and 50+ years is a long time to be silent. There is a history of Type 3s in my family too.

    What milage is on the car?
    Was Alfa's father the first owner?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    Fratello wrote: »
    Great project. It's great seeing an old engine come to life and 50+ years is a long time to be silent. There is a history of Type 3s in my family too.

    What milage is on the car?
    Was Alfa's father the first owner?

    34k on the clock, which I would say is correct, judging by the condition of the body, and the new look of the mechanicals.

    Even when we took off the starter motor, and could see the pinion bush in the gearbox housing, it looked new.

    And if it was 134k, he would have to have driven 40+ miles per year, or 3k per month:D:D

    Dont have the logbook yet, so dont know any details


  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭ alfa beta


    Fratello wrote: »
    Was Alfa's father the first owner?


    'Volkswagen Leasing' is listed in the logbook prior to my Dad's name. They owned it for one year in 1967 I think. No other owners then apart from the ould fella (!!) and now Kadman himself :-)


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,758 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    Going by the NCT, they weren't required in Ireland until June 1971? That manual is from the US, I don't think they were required by then (not until 1968) but lap belts in front seats were commonly fitted.

    We hired an old Bentley for our wedding day, the mrs couldn't get over that there were no rear :rolleyes: seat belts until the chauffeur pointed out there were none in the front either! In fairness even a brick wall isn't going to cause a 2 ton car to make a sudden stop :pac:

    Didn't spoil our enjoyment of the nicely chilled champagne :)

    alfa beta wrote: »
    'Volkswagen Leasing' is listed in the logbook prior to my Dad's name. They owned it for one year in 1967 I think. No other owners then apart from the ould fella (!!) and now Kadman himself :-)

    Explains the ZJ Dublin plate...

    The likes of Alcohol Action Ireland won't be happy until we all have ration cards. Maybe not even then.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    Success day 2.

    Great day today. me and john done a few tweeks to the carb chokes, and reset the timing to
    a more precise figure,

    and amidst all the smoke, we managed to get it running at times very nicely.

    And captured all the mayhem on vid for posting later today.

    At the moment we are enjoying all the smoke and petrol fumes:D:D:D

    Watch this space for more from the auld dudes:P:P:P


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,758 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    Does it need leaded juice?

    The likes of Alcohol Action Ireland won't be happy until we all have ration cards. Maybe not even then.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    Does it need leaded juice?


    No.

    Vw fitted hardened steel valve seats in early 66.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    Well John and myself had another great day.:)

    Resulting in this engine now running 100% better than the last vid,
    but not quite there yet. But its good enough to know that this is going to
    be a sweet running motor.

    Started off today with a brand new replacement starter motor. Far smaller and
    lighter than the original bosch. But it packs a punch.

    Fitted it on and it gave a great effort on the startup, which resulted in smoke and crap everywhere. We knew there was still an issue with the right hand carb, backfiring, spitting and banging.
    We also noted that prior to this on acceleration it tended to flood into the manifold. Which was not good.

    So using the process of elimination we knew we had to replace the inlet needle valve. So off with the cover. On inspection we saw that someone had fitted extra washers under the valve, a telltale sign that there was a flooding issue that was trying to be fixed. The concept being, drop the valve lower, it will close earlier as the float rises.
    Problem is a faulty needle valve will not fully close at any position. Solution , replace the valve. Which is what we did.

    Now that we positioned the timing spot on, it was firing almost immediately, which was great. We also knew that on previous attempts that the fuel pump was working as can be seen with the clear fuel line flowing petrol.

    So we ran the car and the engine sounds great, but the carb still needs a brand new valve fitted , as the replacement is good but not perfect. So I have new valves, just need to find them and fit them later on.

    Engine needs to be run for while to clean itself out, and then an oil change run again, and then another oil change. Ongoing process, but this enfine is definitely worth it.

    So I will post a couple of youtubes showing where we were, and where we are at. ASAP

    watch this space.:)


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    I know this is what you have all been waiting for



    More to come


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    And another



    More to come


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    And more




    And more to come


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    And finally



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    Hey Alpha, I told you we would get it going:D:D:cool:



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭ John.G


    Are the auto choke(s) heating elements electrically powered up now?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,551 ✭✭✭ zetecescort


    Cant handle the speed of work, too used to following the likes of Project Blinky on youtube.

    Keep up the great work


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 4,767 Mod ✭✭✭✭ kadman


    John.G wrote: »
    Are the auto choke(s) heating elements electrically powered up now?
    No,

    They are manually set closed, and open by the heat of the engine, same result.

    Neither is the electromagnetic wired to receive power, so that must be manually open, as its running. If it was not manually open, then it would not run.


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