Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Idbatterim · 04-08-2020 11:30PM

This virus effects the old mostly and the situation is being exacerbated by the old politicians, nphet and civil servants. Couldnt give a toss about the young, youngish and unemployed because of it....

pgj2015 · 04-08-2020 11:32PM

boredatwork82 wrote: »

I think we as a country are afraid to say that we have a problem with alcohol. Social distancing will not be adhered to by drink people. As such i believe all alcohol sales should be banned (off licenses, pubs,, restaurants)

Any where that serves food should remain open if they choose.

No alcohol = no parties , no mass gathering etc.

I really think the pubs that don't sell food are been massively discrimanated against. They are not the businesses that have flouted the rules. If we allow alcohol sales pubs should be allowed open.

:pac: do you really think we need alcohol that much? its not like air to the population.

people will just do drugs if they cant get alcohol.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 04-08-2020 11:32PM

murpho999 wrote: »

A consistent trend in numbers of cases decreasing and that's not happening now.

Like what we had for a few weeks already?

Then we started testing more people so the numbers went up. Shock!

So what’s the plan. Please please tell me what it is?

Or...is there a reason it’s called the “new normal”...

What’s the government waiting for?

Donald Trump · 04-08-2020 11:32PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

It's not working like that however. On the Galway thread they've actually named pubs were fast food and pizzas can get ye in the door. In Ballygar east Galway a pub was raided which was wedged over the weekend with people in it from all the neighbouring villages and yet there are still no spikes in numbers.

Where were they this last week? Abbatoirs and direct provision centres.

The virus is contagious. It is passed from person to person. You can go to a packed pub and lick the face of every punter there and lick every toilet seat while you are at it, and if nobody there has corona, you won't catch it. But if one of them did, you probably would.

The problem is that nobody can tell in advance whether there will be zero or one or two people in that packed pub who have it. And if there are a few, they will likely spread it to others in that environment.

SusieBlue · 04-08-2020 11:33PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

More likely, with arseholes taking the piss like that, that we will be in a scenario where everything has to close again. Because greedy **** can't be trusted.

Then you'll be on here crying and moaning about that. If people act like kids, they'll need to be treated like kids.

Absolute hyperbole. They aren’t breaking any rules.
They are providing €9 substantial meals exactly as per the regulations via a 3rd party on site vendor.
What exactly is the issue here?

Its quite mind blowing that you see this as greed when these businesses and employees have been out of work for almost half a year, they are fighting to save their livelihoods and should be supported by the public for that.
They are keeping people in jobs. Take your faux concern pearl clutching elsewhere.

Donald Trump · 04-08-2020 11:33PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

its not a hoax but they will use it to control us going forward and take away freedoms we used to have.

You tell 'em William Wallace!

cena · 04-08-2020 11:33PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

It's not working like that however. On the Galway thread they've actually named pubs were fast food and pizzas can get ye in the door. In Ballygar east Galway a pub was raided which was wedged over the weekend with people in it from all the neighbouring villages and yet there are still no spikes in numbers.

Where were they this last week? Abbatoirs and direct provision centres.

i know the pub you speak of

hmmm · 04-08-2020 11:35PM

the rock29 wrote: »

I am only saying country wide there is twenty five thousand people not working because of pubs not been open of course some will compley with the law but what about the ones who do and want to do everything to open put in new measures in there bars to open and take back staff and customers and keep them safe things are not going to be the same any where till a cure is found

It's unfortunate that a new and dangerous respiratory virus has emerged, but it's no-ones fault and the government has to take the difficult decisions which will keep us safe. We know that pubs have been the source of outbreaks overseas, we know that being indoors is more dangerous, we know that people ignore social distancing after significant consumption of alcohol. A restaurant and a pub are significantly different in terms of risk, if regulations are adhered to.

People are looking for someone to blame which I suppose is normal.

Scoondal · 04-08-2020 11:35PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Ok, we get it. You're special and you don't want to wear that particular item of clothing just because.

I've a 2 year old nephew you might get on with.

It seems like you are judging someone from your self created moral high ground.

hmmm · 04-08-2020 11:38PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Where were they this last week? Abbatoirs and direct provision centres.

It'll only take one infected person from an abattoir to go to a packed pub, and it will spread like wildfire in an indoor space. We know this from experience abroad.

We know that restaurants are not risk-free, but the less time you spend indoors the better. Sitting in a pub for hours on end is risky.

watlantic · 04-08-2020 11:41PM

Ah, cheer up lads, here's the latest news:
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/08/04/daily-covid-briefings-to-start-releasing-the-number-of-deceased-businesses/

Scoondal · 04-08-2020 11:41PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

I have a good view from up here

Sure what else can you do when you are hearing a (presumable) adult whining that they don't want to wear a mask because they think that guards have magic uniforms :pac:

I get banned for my personal opinions and you freely use bad language in your replies and don't get banned. Why is that ?

SusieBlue · 04-08-2020 11:43PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Pubs were closed. An exception was granted so that those that provided the essential service of food to customers would be able to continue to do so. Arseholes using this as a loophole mean that that loophole will need to be closed. Because people cannot be trusted.

You are welcome to go and buy that cheap bottle of whiskey or vodka or rubbing alcohol or whatever you want and drink it on your couch if you like.

It's ok. I understand that there are alcoholics around too.

It has nothing to do with being an essential service, restaurants are not an essential service whatsoever, that’s why they weren’t allowed reopen until the later phases of restrictions being eased.

Essential services are the businesses that were open while we were in full lockdown. I think you may be confusing sit down restaurants with supermarkets/takeaways, it’s ok, I understand these things happen.

I will ignore your nasty personal attack as you are clearly only looking for a rise, but for someone so haughty on their high horse you seem to be quite ignorant to current regulations and what constitutes an essential service.

Businesses employing 3rd party vendors in order to meet reopening regulations are not breaking any rules and they aren’t doing anything wrong, no matter how hard you try to insist they are.

vid36 · 04-08-2020 11:44PM

All the American experts including Dr Fauci believe bars are high risk locations for community transmission and bars in many states including Texas, California, Florida and Arizona are closed. States pretty different politically.

howareyakid · 04-08-2020 11:46PM

I’ve heard multiple reports of pubs serving “food” and then allowing customers stay for as long as they want and therefore, drink as much as they want. The time limit being blatantly flouted. Yesterday was my first time being in a pub since they closed (and some of them subsequently reopened). I had a meal with family in the restaurant area of the pub but in the bar area, customers were drinking in what could only be described as normal pub circumstances where social distancing was completely non-existent - so much so that I almost had to push through the crowd to get to the toilet.

So establishments like this can continue to trade yet pubs that don’t serve food can’t? It just doesn’t add up to me. Yes, I think it could be the right call with the virus not gone away but if I was a publican, I’d imagine I’d be pretty annoyed.

Donald Trump · 04-08-2020 11:49PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

It has nothing to do with being an essential service, restaurants are not an essential service whatsoever, that’s why they weren’t allowed reopen until the later phases of restrictions being eased.

Essential services are the businesses that were open while we were in full lockdown. I think you may be confusing sit down restaurants with supermarkets/takeaways, it’s ok, I understand these things happen.

I will ignore your nasty personal attack as you are clearly only looking for a rise, but for someone so haughty on their high horse you seem to be quite ignorant to current regulations and what constitutes an essential service.

Businesses employing 3rd party vendors in order to meet reopening regulations are not breaking any rules and they aren’t doing anything wrong, no matter how hard you try to insist they are.

As I said, I know of a pub near me that was doing the "3rd party" trick of sending the punters across the road to the fast food van.
It was rightfully stopped by the guards.

People can hardly seriously think that that was the intention of the rule - that it was ok if the punter heads down the road to buy a burger and chips from a van, or goes a bit down the street for a chicken fillet roll from the local centra?? The ones trying to get away with that are taking the piss. The exemption for meant to be for those that had customers that needed food.

I think that I would have to propose now that all bars and restaurants be allowed open, but that sale of alcohol be banned. Then let's see if these restaurant bars still all open to provide their food service.

Messi19 · 04-08-2020 11:52PM

Anyone else notice that Martin dodged the 1st question earlier about the number of cases being confirmed from pubs/restaurants. It's starting to feel like they're being used as a scapegoat. If done properly, less capacity, well spaced out, table service only etc then I don't see any more danger than using public transport.

We're completely missing the point when foreign travel is allowed and little or no adherence paid to quarantine

hmmm · 04-08-2020 11:54PM

howareyakid wrote: »

So establishments like this can continue to trade yet pubs that don’t serve food can’t? It just doesn’t add up to me. Yes, I think it could be the right call with the virus not gone away but if I was a publican, I’d imagine I’d be pretty annoyed.

I'd be annoyed too. It's the same old Irish thing, no enforcement, and pubs which try to do the right thing are at a disadvantage.

Pubs like the ones you describe put all pubs (and restaurants) at risk. They should be shut down. The only way we get through this (and it will last well into 2021) is if we play by the rules, keep virus numbers suppressed, and put a stop to anyone or any business putting us at risk.

04-08-2020 11:55PM

I feel sorry for the people whose jobs are affected. I feel more sorry for people who've lost people to covid though.

The publicans who survive will be the ones who adapted.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 04-08-2020 11:59PM

6 wrote: »

I feel sorry for the people whose jobs are affected. I feel more sorry for people who've lost people to covid though.

The publicans who survive will be the ones who adapted.

How is a pub in the middle of nowhere supposed to adapt to whatever rubbish the government will come out with next? How’s the old boy who has 5 or 6 regulars every night supposed to adapt? Does he hire a chef? Does he order take away from the nearest town twenty miles away?

I’ll say it again. Dublin isn’t all of Ireland.

SusieBlue · 05-08-2020 12:03AM

6 wrote: »

I feel sorry for the people whose jobs are affected. I feel more sorry for people who've lost people to covid though.

The publicans who survive will be the ones who adapted.

They haven’t been given the chance to adapt. That’s the whole point of the outrage.
They have been given no opportunity whatsoever to adjust their business models to operate under the new social distancing guidelines. Instead the government keep fobbing them off, saying sorry lads, we’ll let ye know in another 3 weeks.
It’s just not good enough. People’s livelihoods and futures are on the line here.

hmmm · 05-08-2020 12:04AM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

How is a pub in the middle of nowhere supposed to adapt to whatever rubbish the government will come out with next? How’s the old boy who has 5 or 6 regulars every night supposed to adapt? Does he hire a chef? Does he order take away from the nearest town twenty miles away?

I’ll say it again. Dublin isn’t all of Ireland.

Ah here we go with the Dublin thing again. As if every pub outside Dublin has no more than 5 or 6 ould lads inside, and everything inside Dublin is like a scene from Temple Bar.

hynesie08 · 05-08-2020 12:05AM

howareyakid wrote: »

I’ve heard multiple reports of pubs serving “food” and then allowing customers stay for as long as they want and therefore, drink as much as they want. The time limit being blatantly flouted. Yesterday was my first time being in a pub since they closed (and some of them subsequently reopened). I had a meal with family in the restaurant area of the pub but in the bar area, customers were drinking in what could only be described as normal pub circumstances where social distancing was completely non-existent - so much so that I almost had to push through the crowd to get to the toilet.

So establishments like this can continue to trade yet pubs that don’t serve food can’t? It just doesn’t add up to me. Yes, I think it could be the right call with the virus not gone away but if I was a publican, I’d imagine I’d be pretty annoyed.

What did the guards say when you rang them?

05-08-2020 12:08AM

How can the pubs adapt? Sure they're all constantly on the verge of closing anyway so if they have to reduce capacity they'll just be losing more money than if they don't open and don't pay wages.

Donald Trump · 05-08-2020 12:09AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

They haven’t been given the chance to adapt. That’s the whole point of the outrage.
They have been given no opportunity whatsoever to adjust their business models to operate under the new social distancing guidelines. Instead the government keep fobbing them off, saying sorry lads, we’ll let ye know in another 3 weeks.
It’s just not good enough. People’s livelihoods and futures are on the line here.

Only a few publicans. I don't think that the overall economy should be risked to save a few publicans for a few weeks.

We have too many pubs anyway.

howareyakid · 05-08-2020 12:09AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

What did the guards say when you rang them?

Yeah fair enough. I didn’t ring them.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 05-08-2020 12:17AM

hmmm wrote: »

Ah here we go with the Dublin thing again. As if every pub outside Dublin has no more than 5 or 6 ould lads inside, and everything inside Dublin is like a scene from Temple Bar.

For Jesus sake.

I am not having a pop at Dublin.

This isn’t me sitting here moaning about Dublin.

I’m simply saying that this government is temple bar obsessed or whatever the cork/galway/limerick equivalent is in that it thinks every pub up and down the country will be rammed to the rafters with young people dry humping and licking each other’s faces spreading Covid all around the place.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 05-08-2020 12:19AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

We have too many pubs anyway.

Wow. I’m lost for words.

Yeah fück those publicans, the people they employ and the communities they help to hold together.

hatrickpatrick · 05-08-2020 12:19AM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

For our civil liberties.

The 11 o clock closing for one. I’ll say it now, you’ll see plenty of news articles over the next week or so saying what a great idea this is and it should be kept.

This seriously worries me. There's no logic in it if it isn't just a test run for an attempt at killing nightlife through social engineering. The government has always hated that sector with a passion (the fact that clubs have to pay a few hundred quid every individual night they stay open past 12 is an indication of that) and I can see them making some excuse to make these measures permanent.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 05-08-2020 12:21AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This seriously worries me. There's no logic in it if it isn't just a test run for an attempt at killing nightlife through social engineering. The government has always hated that sector with a passion (the fact that clubs have to pay a few hundred quid every individual night they stay open past 12 is an indication of that) and I can see them making some excuse to make these measures permanent.

They are 100% permanent. All these sneaky underhanded laws suit the establishment. They’re not going away. They’re not magically coming back.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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