Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

stephenjmcd

Heckler wrote: »

I was in town on sunday night (Cork city). Was drinking but not in a pub/restaurant. If you think this food with your drink is making a difference you're delusional. The place was filthy with people scuttered. I went to get smokes around 9.30 and every centra, spar and offie had such a queue out side I'd have been waiting an hour.

Same in Galway the weekend before race week. Pub crawls everywhere with a side of chips and a dessert. Plenty of food just being left on the tables.
I was over visiting friends and there was multiple parties on throughout the weekend that we were being asked to.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Donald Trump wrote: »

Well if you want to protect people's livelihoods, we need to minimize non-essential contact.


So stay away from pubs. It's quite simple.

The pubs have been open for a month as long as you get a toastie. This is yet another case of this moronic government not seeing past Dublin or temple bar. Not all pubs are rammed to the rafters like Dublin pubs 24/7.

So no it’s not as simple as you say it is.

murpho999

Hunky Monster wrote: »

For our civil liberties.

The 11 o clock closing for one. I’ll say it now, you’ll see plenty of news articles over the next week or so saying what a great idea this is and it should be kept. Wait and see. That’s just one small thing. Governments take all of your civil liberties away and give you only a few back and you’ll be glad of it. Do you still think it’s about “flattening the curve”? That was the first lie. That didn’t work. Face masks 5 months into a “pandemic” then... give me a break. It’s so dangerous face masks are mandatory from ... Monday. So dangerous.

Ah relax will you.

We've had restricted closing times for years. Government is not interested in restricting our liberties

That's one sure fire why to not get re-elected.

murpho999

Hunky Monster wrote: »

The pubs have been open for a month as long as you get a toastie. This is yet another case of this moronic government not seeing past Dublin or temple bar. Not all pubs are rammed to the rafters like Dublin pubs 24/7.

So no it’s not as simple as you say it is.

You can't make one rule for rural and one for Dublin.

Also, the largest population is in Dublin so it would spread more there if pubs were open fully.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

murpho999 wrote: »

Ah relax will you.

We've had restricted closing times for years. Government is not interested in restricting our liberties

That's one sure fire why to not get re-elected.

It’s easier take your civil liberties bit by bit over time for “the greater good”.

It won’t happen over night but watch and see.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

murpho999 wrote: »

You can't make one rule for rural and one for Dublin.

Also, the largest population is in Dublin so it would spread more there if pubs were open fully.

So the rest of the country has to suffer?

drunkmonkey

murpho999 wrote: »

You can't make one rule for rural and one for Dublin.

Of course you can. Towns/Villages with populations under a certain figure should be allowed to open. This all or nothing approach is going to cause havoc when the schools reopen.

Poorside

murpho999 wrote: »

You can't make one rule for rural and one for Dublin.

Why not?

drunkmonkey

Hunky Monster wrote: »

It’s easier take your civil liberties bit by bit over time for “the greater good”.

It won’t happen over night but watch and see.

We've learned over the last few months we have no rights or liberties only retractable permissions.

Heckler

Found there to be quite an aggressive attitude around as well. An awful lot of late teen early twenties fellas and girls pissed, shouting and roaring, walking out in to moving traffic on washington street and Grand parade, fecking cartons of food on the street.

Back to normal so.....

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stephenjmcd wrote: »

No you don't. Multiple local pubs queried it with Gardai and HSE and told no bother do it if you want.

Tenner on the way in and a pizza gets delivered from the takeaway next door.

Been on going for weeks all over the country

Anywhere that cooks food for the public needs a licence. The place cooking the pizza has the licence.

Have you read what I originally said for context, I'm not saying pubs can't bring in external food. I'm saying that they'd need a licence to cook it in house.

murpho999

Hunky Monster wrote: »

So the rest of the country has to suffer?

Well that's what being a country is. We're not a federation.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Of course you can. Towns/Villages with populations under a certain figure should be allowed to open. This all or nothing approach is going to cause havoc when the schools reopen.

So then people from outside travel to those places. Can you not see the problem there. More people get infected etc.

Poorside wrote: »

Why not?

Because it brings a lot of problems. Reminds me of the Healy-Raes wanting different drink driving laws for rural areas. Ridiculous.

murpho999

Hunky Monster wrote: »

It’s easier take your civil liberties bit by bit over time for “the greater good”.

It won’t happen over night but watch and see.

I think you're watching too many conspiracy movies.

SusieBlue

It’s nice but bittersweet to see the creative lengths some pubs without kitchens local to me are going to, to be able to reopen.
One has hired a chipper van to park up in the car park, no one can gain entry to the pub unless they have food from the chipper van with them.
Another has made an arrangement with a Four Star Pizza just down the street to deliver pizzas to the bar, so they aren’t breaking regulations.

It’s obviously good to see businesses teaming up to help each other at times like this but it’s quite sad that they have to go to these lengths just to be able to trade and to be given the same opportunities to adjust their operations as other industries have.
Hopefully others will take inspiration from it and be able to reopen sooner with similar arrangements in place.

drunkmonkey

murpho999 wrote: »

Well that's what being a country is. We're not a federation.



So then people from outside travel to those places. Can you not see the problem there. More people get infected etc.



Because it brings a lot of problems. Reminds me of the Healy-Raes wanting different drink driving laws for rural areas. Ridiculous.

Nonsense
Nonsense
Nonsense

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

murpho999 wrote: »

I think you're watching too many conspiracy movies.

So what’s the plan tell me?

What are the government doing?

What are they waiting for?

Zero new cases a day, zero deaths?

Then what?

murpho999

Hunky Monster wrote: »

So what’s the plan tell me?

What are the government doing?

What are they waiting for?

Zero new cases a day, zero deaths?

Then what?

A consistent trend in numbers of cases decreasing and that's not happening now.

murpho999

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Nonsense
Nonsense
Nonsense

Good points, well made.

Risteard81

murpho999 wrote: »

Well that's what being a country is. We're not a federation.

Federations are countries too.

the rock29

I am only saying country wide there is twenty five thousand people not working because of pubs not been open of course some will compley with the law but what about the ones who do and want to do everything to open put in new measures in there bars to open and take back staff and customers and keep them safe things are not going to be the same any where till a cure is found

emo72

Hunky Monster wrote: »

So what’s the plan tell me?

What are the government doing?

What are they waiting for?

Zero new cases a day, zero deaths?

Then what?

That can never happen with open borders. It was about flattening the curve which was done. Now they are making new rules as they go. No one knows what the **** we are aiming for.

They brought people with them early in this. Watch as tensions rise now. A whole industry thrown under a bus, yeah that'll work.

murpho999

Risteard81 wrote: »

Federations are countries too.

But they work different to us. Look at Germany, USA etc for different state laws, legislative bodies etc.

Scoondal

fortwilliam wrote: »

Aaaaaaaah ballax!

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0715/1153499-politics-cabinet/

I get it, I really do, but why the focus on pubs?
I got a haircut today in the Grafton Barber where a nice barber cut my hair with no social distancing (Completely within guidance)
I just don't get the focus on the boozer...

God bless your innocence.
It pushed out until 31 August now.
It's like ... no one believes this anymore.

joe40

Hunky Monster wrote: »

For our civil liberties.

The 11 o clock closing for one. I’ll say it now, you’ll see plenty of news articles over the next week or so saying what a great idea this is and it should be kept. Wait and see. That’s just one small thing. Governments take all of your civil liberties away and give you only a few back and you’ll be glad of it. Do you still think it’s about “flattening the curve”? That was the first lie. That didn’t work. Face masks 5 months into a “pandemic” then... give me a break. It’s so dangerous face masks are mandatory from ... Monday. So dangerous.

So this is all a hoax? Seriously. Every country in the world has all these type of measures in place, it is not just Ireland.

Donald Trump

newuser99999 wrote: »

Are house parties not non-essential contact? How is sitting in a restaurant “essential” and going to a pub isn’t?

That's quite a silly question. No, house parties are non-essential and against guidelines (for those without enough cop-on who need guidelines to explain it to them).


Sitting in a restaurant is not necessarily essential. If you do not need to go to a restaurant, then you should not go. If however, for example, because of your work you find yourself away from home, or perhaps due to your living circumstances you have to eat out, then a restaurant could be essential to you.



I would happily close them all down. But the restaurants unfortunately have a plausible excuse. Pubs do not.

Dravokivich

MOH wrote: »

No, I don't. You're going to have to explain to me how people magically have contact with more people going to pubs that don't serve food, as opposed to pubs that do serve food and restaurants that have wedged people in.
You do understand food isn't a magic vaccine, right?

Book a table for x people in a pub at a specific time, drink with those people socially distanced from others with table service, in an environment where pubs will be quick to kick people out while they're under scrutiny. Versus turn up at a house party without a definite idea how many people are going to be there, who they are, or what state varying people will be in. Given the noise I could hear until 5am last weekend, I'd guess slightly tipsy at least.

Last time I was in my local was March 13th. They had hand sanitiser inside the door and by the toilets, were encouraging people to use table service, and asking everyone to pay by card where possible. They closed two days later, and are the only pub still closed in a fairly trendy area that's full of jammed restaurants with no social distancing and pubs taking the piss out of the food regs. I suspect there's a fair chance they might not open again, especially now.

Meanwhile the supermarkets were rammed full of people panic buying for a week after that before they finally got around to introducing queuing, hand sanitiser a week or two later, and eventually realising baskets needed to be wiped. I stopped going to my local Dunnes, full of ostenatious "look how conscientious we are" signage and announcements when I noticed how they were cleaning the self service tills between each customer - wiping the basket area and the scanner, but ignoring the touchscreen and the credit card keypad.

Out of pretty much all the businesses in my locality, the one which was actually proactively behaving responsibly 5 months ago has been closed ever since. Out of an unsubstantiated belief that opening it will be a grave threat to public health. While the government ignores known issues like house parties, and has a laughable attitude to quarantining arrivals.

Sorry, I'm a bit thick, I actually don't understand that.

I never said anything about supporting restaurants and feel they shouldn't have opened up either as it so happens. But there's a major difference in the setting between going to a pub and going to a restaurant. Seeing as typically, in a restaurant you would be sat at a table and waited upon. In a Pub, you'd be mingling around with multiple people.

Why are you lumping all the other mania that was misguided by others into this? You see foolish people do foolish things, and feel it should be excusable?

Donald Trump

SusieBlue wrote: »

It’s nice but bittersweet to see the creative lengths some pubs without kitchens local to me are going to, to be able to reopen.
One has hired a chipper van to park up in the car park, no one can gain entry to the pub unless they have food from the chipper van with them.
Another has made an arrangement with a Four Star Pizza just down the street to deliver pizzas to the bar, so they aren’t breaking regulations.

It’s obviously good to see businesses teaming up to help each other at times like this but it’s quite sad that they have to go to these lengths just to be able to trade and to be given the same opportunities to adjust their operations as other industries have.
Hopefully others will take inspiration from it and be able to reopen sooner with similar arrangements in place.

More likely, with arseholes taking the piss like that, that we will be in a scenario where everything has to close again. Because greedy **** can't be trusted.

If people act like kids, they'll need to be treated like kids.

pgj2015

joe40 wrote: »

So this is all a hoax? Seriously. Every country in the world has all these type of measures in place, it is not just Ireland.

its not a hoax but they will use it to control us going forward and take away freedoms we used to have.

Idbatterim

murpho999 wrote: »

A consistent trend in numbers of cases decreasing and that's not happening now.

How can it happen ? They losened restrictions , how the hell were cases expected to drop!

boredatwork82

I think we as a country are afraid to say that we have a problem with alcohol. Social distancing will not be adhered to by drink people. As such i believe all alcohol sales should be banned (off licenses, pubs,, restaurants)

Any where that serves food should remain open if they choose.

No alcohol = no parties , no mass gathering etc.

I really think the pubs that don't sell food are been massively discrimanated against. They are not the businesses that have flouted the rules. If we allow alcohol sales pubs should be allowed open.