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  • #6842
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    Most people don’t have the virus, what’s the point in wearing the mask if I don’t have the virus. Who am I going to pass the virus to?


    Here's the point.

    During the first wave it took 5 weeks to go from around the figures we have now to 20,000 infected.


  • #6843
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    The same way I know I don’t have AIDS or cancer.

    Have you been tested for AIDS, all Cancers and Covid?


  • #6844
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    The same way I know I don’t have AIDS or cancer.

    i.e. you don't know but you're assuming you don't.


  • #6845
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Boggles wrote: »
    Have you been tested for AIDS, all Cancers and Covid?

    No but do you think I should get tested?


  • #6846
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    No but do you think I should get tested?

    If you want to know for sure that you don’t have either of them, then yes.

    Same for Covid.


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  • #6847
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    The same way I know I don’t have AIDS or cancer.

    Well firstly you don’t just get AIDS. It starts off as a virus - HIV. So saying that you know that you don’t have AIDS shows your understanding of disease. The amount of regular tests a person with HIV has to go through, they would definitely know when it progressed to AIDS.

    But fcuck all the deflection. Tell everyone a valid reason not to wear a mask.


  • #6848
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Graham wrote: »
    i.e. you don't know but you're assuming you don't.

    I don’t have the flu either, should I go around assuming that I have the flu or any other illness. I could have the flu and not know so should I live my life on the basis that I have an unknown illness because that’s what you’re advocating.


  • #6849
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    No but do you think I should get tested?

    No, I just think you should stop talking absolute scutter.


  • #6850
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    No but do you think I should get tested?

    I don't give a hoot whether you have AIDS or cancer or not. Neither are contagious illnesses. Stop using this strawman.


  • #6851
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    No but do you think I should get tested?

    To answer this question just wear a condom, sunscreen and a mask.


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  • #6852
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    joeguevara wrote: »
    But fcuck all the deflection. Tell everyone a valid reason not to wear a mask.

    Gotta love the red-herring fallacy.

    but smoking, cancer, Aids, world peace :rolleyes:


  • #6853
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Tork wrote: »
    I don't give a hoot whether you have AIDS or cancer or not. Neither are contagious illnesses. Stop using this strawman.

    What about the flu or Ebola, should I assume I have those even though I don’t have symptoms?


  • #6854
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    More red herring stuff?

    Are you really that hard-pressed to make a coherent argument for not wearing masks?


  • #6855
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    What about the flu or Ebola, should I assume I have those even though I don’t have symptoms?

    I’m actually assuming you have a degenerative parasite that has reduced your brain capacity with these posts.


  • #6856
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Graham wrote: »
    More red herring stuff?

    Are you really that hard-pressed to make a coherent argument for not wearing masks?

    What red herring? You’re telling me that I may have the virus and not know it which is why I should wear a mask. I could also have other illnesses and not know it so should I take precautions not to spread this those illnesses as well?


  • #6857
    MidnightQueen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭MidnightQueen


    Solid advice! Thanks very much! ☺️


  • #6858
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    joeguevara wrote: »
    I’m actually assuming you have a degenerative parasite that has reduced your brain capacity with these posts.

    I see the personal insults are starting to come in now that logical arguments have failed.


  • #6859
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    What red herring? You’re telling me that I may have the virus and not know it which is why I should wear a mask.

    We have winner, that's exactly it.

    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    I could also have other illnesses and not know it so should I take precautions not to spread this those illnesses as well?

    Would depend on the illness and how it spreads. Ask again when the next pandemic occurs.


  • #6860
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    What red herring? You’re telling me that I may have the virus and not know it which is why I should wear a mask. I could also have other illnesses and not know it so should I take precautions not to spread this those illnesses as well?

    You don’t think you should take precautions like a condom to prevent spreading a disease that you might have but don’t know?


  • #6861
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    joeguevara wrote: »
    You don’t think you should take precautions like a condom to prevent spreading a disease that you might have but don’t know?

    I think we have a slow learner here.


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  • #6862
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭Allinall


    If you had the flu or Ebola you would have symptoms.

    You know that, right?


  • #6863
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    joeguevara wrote: »
    You don’t think you should take precautions like a condom to prevent spreading a disease that you might have but don’t know?

    I go bear back


  • #6864
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    I see the personal insults are starting to come in now that logical arguments have failed.

    Not a personal insult. An actual worry. If I was going to insult you I would have done it hours ago. And if you honestly think that my arguments have failed then it substantiates the parasite theory.


  • #6865
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Allinall wrote: »
    If you had the flu or Ebola you would have symptoms.

    You know that, right?

    Not with the flu. Could have the flu and no symptoms. There are plenty of other illnesses that have no symptoms, should I go around assuming I have those?


  • #6866
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    I go bear back

    You know a bear is a large animal found in many habitats from forests to polar regions which determines their genus and colour. If you are going to make a bad joke at least learn to spell.


  • #6867
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    I go bear back

    that would certainly explain the uncertainty about other infectious diseases.

    The mask probably wouldn't help for those type of infections.


  • #6868
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »
    Not with the flu. Could have the flu and no symptoms. There are plenty of other illnesses that have no symptoms, should I go around assuming I have those?

    Yes.


  • #6869
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    I see we're back to the red herring fallacy.

    People shouldn't wear masks because.....

    the flu


  • #6870
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Allinall wrote: »
    That doesn’t answer the question.

    Have you been tested?

    Most people that have the virus don’t think they have it.

    Just like you.

    I guess it depends on whether you want to assume the worst and live in fear of catching the virus.. or take no symptoms or other ill effects over a prolonged period as a sign that you're OK

    Sure, you COULD have it - but the probabilities are extremely low.

    And let's not forget that this virus is not an instant death sentence for all who catch it. Some will die yes (generally older or with underlying issues), but the vast majority will recover even if they do get it.

    This is why the ever increasing count of cases every day is pointless and scare-mongering. It says nothing about recovery or current status. ICU admissions are extremely low. Deaths in this country are (on the whole for a pandemic) extremely low - and again significantly driven by the factors above.

    But the fear is rampant. Ditto this superior attitude from those who rush to show their compliance by attacking those who stop to question the reality around them vs the "expert advice" from experts who themselves generally can't agree, and whose pronouncements are skewed by the fact that their entire goal as doctors is to get the count to zero.
    An admirable and desirable goal for sure, but again not based in the near/medium-term reality, which is that we need to balance the need for precautions against the other demands of a society and economy.

    Wear masks if you feel safer. But don't mistake it for what it is (given the ineffectiveness of many of them - whether it be the mask itself or how it's being (re)used) - a placebo. As it's not required in most scenarios you still are exposed to the possibility of contracting the virus anyway, unless you "mask up" full time when you set foot outside your front door.

    But as I've said before, MASK UP has become the new STAY HOME (maybe RTE should put it under the station ident on TV) - a social media led crusade like many others where the only answer is you're with us or against us.

    Some perspective is badly needed.


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  • #6871
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    But as I've said before, MASK UP has become the new STAY HOME

    Wearing a mask is an additional preventative measure so we don't have to go back to staying at home.

    See Melbourne.

    Do you think washing your hands or physical distancing is fear mongering?


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