Masks

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

The same way I know I don’t have AIDS or cancer.

i.e. you don't know but you're assuming you don't.

Boggles wrote: »

Have you been tested for AIDS, all Cancers and Covid?

No but do you think I should get tested?

Allinall

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

No but do you think I should get tested?

If you want to know for sure that you don’t have either of them, then yes.

Same for Covid.

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

The same way I know I don’t have AIDS or cancer.

Well firstly you don’t just get AIDS. It starts off as a virus - HIV. So saying that you know that you don’t have AIDS shows your understanding of disease. The amount of regular tests a person with HIV has to go through, they would definitely know when it progressed to AIDS.

But fcuck all the deflection. Tell everyone a valid reason not to wear a mask.

Graham wrote: »

i.e. you don't know but you're assuming you don't.

I don’t have the flu either, should I go around assuming that I have the flu or any other illness. I could have the flu and not know so should I live my life on the basis that I have an unknown illness because that’s what you’re advocating.

Boggles

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

No but do you think I should get tested?

No, I just think you should stop talking absolute scutter.

Tork

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

No but do you think I should get tested?

I don't give a hoot whether you have AIDS or cancer or not. Neither are contagious illnesses. Stop using this strawman.

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

No but do you think I should get tested?

To answer this question just wear a condom, sunscreen and a mask.

joeguevara wrote: »

But fcuck all the deflection. Tell everyone a valid reason not to wear a mask.

Gotta love the red-herring fallacy.

but smoking, cancer, Aids, world peace :rolleyes:

Tork wrote: »

I don't give a hoot whether you have AIDS or cancer or not. Neither are contagious illnesses. Stop using this strawman.

What about the flu or Ebola, should I assume I have those even though I don’t have symptoms?

More red herring stuff?

Are you really that hard-pressed to make a coherent argument for not wearing masks?

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

What about the flu or Ebola, should I assume I have those even though I don’t have symptoms?

I’m actually assuming you have a degenerative parasite that has reduced your brain capacity with these posts.

Graham wrote: »

More red herring stuff?

Are you really that hard-pressed to make a coherent argument for not wearing masks?

What red herring? You’re telling me that I may have the virus and not know it which is why I should wear a mask. I could also have other illnesses and not know it so should I take precautions not to spread this those illnesses as well?

MidnightQueen

Solid advice! Thanks very much! ☺️

joeguevara wrote: »

I’m actually assuming you have a degenerative parasite that has reduced your brain capacity with these posts.

I see the personal insults are starting to come in now that logical arguments have failed.

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

What red herring? You’re telling me that I may have the virus and not know it which is why I should wear a mask.

We have winner, that's exactly it.

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

I could also have other illnesses and not know it so should I take precautions not to spread this those illnesses as well?

Would depend on the illness and how it spreads. Ask again when the next pandemic occurs.

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

What red herring? You’re telling me that I may have the virus and not know it which is why I should wear a mask. I could also have other illnesses and not know it so should I take precautions not to spread this those illnesses as well?

You don’t think you should take precautions like a condom to prevent spreading a disease that you might have but don’t know?

Tork

joeguevara wrote: »

You don’t think you should take precautions like a condom to prevent spreading a disease that you might have but don’t know?

I think we have a slow learner here.

Allinall

If you had the flu or Ebola you would have symptoms.

You know that, right?

joeguevara wrote: »

You don’t think you should take precautions like a condom to prevent spreading a disease that you might have but don’t know?

I go bear back

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

I see the personal insults are starting to come in now that logical arguments have failed.

Not a personal insult. An actual worry. If I was going to insult you I would have done it hours ago. And if you honestly think that my arguments have failed then it substantiates the parasite theory.

Allinall wrote: »

If you had the flu or Ebola you would have symptoms.

You know that, right?

Not with the flu. Could have the flu and no symptoms. There are plenty of other illnesses that have no symptoms, should I go around assuming I have those?

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

I go bear back

You know a bear is a large animal found in many habitats from forests to polar regions which determines their genus and colour. If you are going to make a bad joke at least learn to spell.

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

I go bear back

that would certainly explain the uncertainty about other infectious diseases.

The mask probably wouldn't help for those type of infections.

Allinall

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Not with the flu. Could have the flu and no symptoms. There are plenty of other illnesses that have no symptoms, should I go around assuming I have those?

Yes.

I see we're back to the red herring fallacy.

People shouldn't wear masks because.....

the flu

_Kaiser_

Allinall wrote: »

That doesn’t answer the question.

Have you been tested?

Most people that have the virus don’t think they have it.

Just like you.

I guess it depends on whether you want to assume the worst and live in fear of catching the virus.. or take no symptoms or other ill effects over a prolonged period as a sign that you're OK

Sure, you COULD have it - but the probabilities are extremely low.

And let's not forget that this virus is not an instant death sentence for all who catch it. Some will die yes (generally older or with underlying issues), but the vast majority will recover even if they do get it.

This is why the ever increasing count of cases every day is pointless and scare-mongering. It says nothing about recovery or current status. ICU admissions are extremely low. Deaths in this country are (on the whole for a pandemic) extremely low - and again significantly driven by the factors above.

But the fear is rampant. Ditto this superior attitude from those who rush to show their compliance by attacking those who stop to question the reality around them vs the "expert advice" from experts who themselves generally can't agree, and whose pronouncements are skewed by the fact that their entire goal as doctors is to get the count to zero.
An admirable and desirable goal for sure, but again not based in the near/medium-term reality, which is that we need to balance the need for precautions against the other demands of a society and economy.

Wear masks if you feel safer. But don't mistake it for what it is (given the ineffectiveness of many of them - whether it be the mask itself or how it's being (re)used) - a placebo. As it's not required in most scenarios you still are exposed to the possibility of contracting the virus anyway, unless you "mask up" full time when you set foot outside your front door.

But as I've said before, MASK UP has become the new STAY HOME (maybe RTE should put it under the station ident on TV) - a social media led crusade like many others where the only answer is you're with us or against us.

Some perspective is badly needed.

Boggles

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

But as I've said before, MASK UP has become the new STAY HOME

Wearing a mask is an additional preventative measure so we don't have to go back to staying at home.

See Melbourne.

Do you think washing your hands or physical distancing is fear mongering?