Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 11:41PM

Airflow / aircon very dangerous in aerosol transmission.
People on diamond princess didn't leave rooms and got infect.
Air was even recycled.

Meat plants have to keep outside air outside as need to remain cold.
Not sure but they'll be more expensive to run as more outside air changes required
to stave off mass infections. Potential capital expenditure of improving systems so that they are more
efficient when doing this.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1288837200621318144?s=20

igCorcaigh · 30-07-2020 11:50PM

Not sure if micro droplets vs airborne is just a matter of semantics.

Effectively the same?

What I mean is, does it make a difference in, say, an indoor area like a cinema, where there is 2 metre compliance?

How important is the distinction?

I mention cinema, it is a place where people laugh.

The White Wolf · 30-07-2020 11:51PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Comment with a fair amount of upvotes on Reddit Ireland

Makes sense that they'd save some of the R0 rising for Schools before Pubs

Found it...46 votes. Lol

But they're probably right. Perfect opportunity for the government to do a bit of licking and show how much they care about us.

stephenjmcd · 30-07-2020 11:53PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Comment with a fair amount of upvotes on Reddit Ireland

Makes sense that they'd save some of the R0 rising for Schools before Pubs

49 upvotes. Not exactly a whole lot for Reddit.

If they don't open pubs they'll need to throw an awful lot of money at them outside of the already announced stimulus. No businesses can stay closed for 5 months and be facing an indefinite closure.

Mind you I dont see them staying closed so long as the clusters identified over the last week remain contained.

polesheep · 30-07-2020 11:56PM

Miike wrote: »

Katie Hopkins the world renowned specialist in epidemiology and infectious disease :pac::pac::pac:

I don't know who Katie Hopkins is and I suspect that I don't want to know, but if what she said is about cases in Leicester going up yet deaths and hospitalisations going down, Newsnight has just confirmed this to be true.

fritzelly · 30-07-2020 11:58PM

polesheep wrote: »

I don't know who Katie Hopkins is and I suspect that I don't want to know, but if what she said is about cases in Leicester going up yet deaths and hospitalisations going down, Newsnight has just confirmed this to be true.

A deplorable person she is - hates everyone and everything - will always go against reality to make the headlines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaLtAoZ-a84

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 11:59PM

polesheep wrote: »

I don't know who Katie Hopkins is and I suspect that I don't want to know, but if what she said is about cases in Leicester going up yet deaths and hospitalisations going down, Newsnight has just confirmed this to be true.

Could be perfectly true and yet mean nothing.

You have to get sick before you get tested.
It takes time before you require hospitalisation .
It takes time between going to hospital and dying.

Not rocket science.

ShineOn7 · 30-07-2020 11:59PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

49 upvotes. Not exactly a whole lot for Reddit.

49 upvotes in a thread on Reddit Ireland is a good number

On a huge Sub like Reddit Politics it would be tiny, but not on Reddit Ireland

polesheep · 31-07-2020 12:01AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Could be perfectly true and yet mean nothing.

You have to get sick before you get tested.
It takes time before you require hospitalisation .
It takes time between going to hospital and dying.

Not rocket science.

Not true in the case of Leicester. They were going door to door doing community testing. It has the best boffins baffled so don't feel that you have to rush in with the answer.

Quantum Erasure · 31-07-2020 12:02AM

Sofa King wrote: »

Big numbers today, is there a bank holiday weekend on the way? They need to scaremonger to keep people in line.

There'll be low numbers till Wednesday so...

ShineOn7 · 31-07-2020 12:05AM

The White Wolf wrote: »

Found it...46 votes. Lol

On a thread where the the post with the most upvoted post has just 150 posts, 46 is a good number

Reddit Ireland is a tiny sub compared to some. 46 upvotes shows plenty of agreement with the poster's statement

I think you're maybe just worried about your pubs tbh

fritzelly · 31-07-2020 12:05AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

49 upvotes in a thread on Reddit Ireland is a good number

On a huge Sub like Reddit Politics it would be tiny, but not on Reddit Ireland

They are very probably right - government not meeting til next Tuesday (5 days before they are due to open) to discuss the opening and one would assume come up with recommendations for pubs to implement in the space of a few days

I seriously think they are not going ahead with Phase 4 and pushed out for another 6 weeks while they enjoy their hols
Typical FF (waiting for the first one to be caught abroad...)

political analyst · 31-07-2020 12:09AM

Janet Street-Porter wrote this article about the situation in the UK but I believe her criticisms can also be applied to the Irish government.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8576889/When-did-policy-flattening-curve-ruin-lives.html

From the moment pubs and factories were allowed to re-open, the infection rate was always going to rise.

Plus, young people simply have no interest in social distancing (understandable as the deaths in their age group are tiny) and there's no way the police or anyone else can impose martial law to ensure they fall into line.

As the weather improved, we took to parks and beaches and began to mix with friends and relatives. But, just as Brits were regaining their confidence, the warnings from mission control seem to have subtly changed.

Somehow our ambition has morphed from from 'containing' the virus to 'eliminating' it.

This talk of a 'second wave' is nonsense. Many experts say that the virus is just one wave of infection that rises and falls, like other viruses.

Take flu - it's never been eliminated- it just comes back year after year in a different form.

stephenjmcd · 31-07-2020 12:11AM

fritzelly wrote: »

They are very probably right - government not meeting til next Tuesday (5 days before they are due to open) to discuss the opening and one would assume come up with recommendations for pubs to implement in the space of a few days

I seriously think they are not going ahead with Phase 4 and pushed out for another 6 weeks while they enjoy their hols
Typical FF (waiting for the first one to be caught abroad...)

The recommendations / guidelines on reopening are already written by the HPSC & Failte Ireland. They're delayed because the publican groups asked the topic of sitting at the bar counter be revisited at the start of this week. The guidelines should have been published in the middle of this week. This time they can't blame government for the delay in guidelines

The White Wolf · 31-07-2020 12:13AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

On a thread where the the post with the most upvoted post has just 150 posts, 46 is a good number

Reddit Ireland is a tiny sub compared to some. 46 upvotes shows plenty of agreement with the poster's statement

I think you're maybe just worried about your pubs tbh

Pubs as in plural? I'm afraid I don't frequent more than one.

fritzelly · 31-07-2020 12:14AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The recommendations / guidelines on reopening are already written by the HPSC & Failte Ireland. They're delayed because the publican groups asked the topic of sitting at the bar counter be revisited at the start of this week. The guidelines should have been published in the middle of this week. This time they can't blame government for the delay in guidelines

I didn't know they were the official guidelines - just based on general health recommendations

stephenjmcd · 31-07-2020 12:17AM

fritzelly wrote: »

I didn't know they were the official guidelines - just based on general health recommendations

Any guidelines for sector specific reopening are drawn up by the HPSC in conjuction with the sector, in this case HPSC and Failte Ireland.

They'd been due out on Wednesday but publicans asked that the guidelines are sitting at the bar be revisited hence now we get a delay.

Plumbthedepths · 31-07-2020 12:17AM

political analyst wrote: »

Janet Street-Porter wrote this article about the situation in the UK but I believe her criticisms can also be applied to the Irish government.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8576889/When-did-policy-flattening-curve-ruin-lives.html

Someone threw up a link earlier from a NHS ICU doctor saying similar about the similarity with flu in behaviour and no second wave. Just outbreaks.

igCorcaigh · 31-07-2020 12:17AM

This whole pandemic for me, has been interesting.

I closely followed the H5N1 bird flu outbreak in Turkey and other areas way back. The cfr of that was approaching 20 to 50 percent if I remember correctly, and there was H2H transmission, just not sustained.

I think as a society we need to wake up and be prepared. Coronavirus is the canary, but a good rehersal call.

gabeeg · 31-07-2020 12:20AM

political analyst wrote: »

Janet Street-Porter wrote this article about the situation in the UK but I believe her criticisms can also be applied to the Irish government.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8576889/When-did-policy-flattening-curve-ruin-lives.html

"Somehow our ambition has morphed from from 'containing' the virus to 'eliminating' it."

I'm not sure that's true of the UK at all.

But even if it is, things have changed. We've learned a lot about this poxy virus.

Why should a gov stick to an initial plan that was forged in a time of ignorance?

gabeeg · 31-07-2020 12:23AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Someone threw up a link earlier from a NHS ICU doctor saying similar about the similarity with flu in behaviour and no second wave. Just outbreaks.

I think you'll find that the flu virus has famously had some second waves.

Some doctor, indeed

fritzelly · 31-07-2020 12:23AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

This whole pandemic for me, has been interesting.

I closely followed the H5N1 bird flu outbreak in Turkey and other areas way back. The cfr of that was approaching 20 to 50 percent if I remember correctly, and there was H2H transmission, just not sustained.

I think as a society we need to wake up and be prepared. Coronavirus is the canary, but a good rehersal call.

Just nearly finished watching a new German series - Sloborn - about a pigeon flu, highly fatal, society breaking down etc. Cannot recommend it as it's a very slow burn
It had just finished shooting in December 2019 - very opportune series for the times ahead of it

igCorcaigh · 31-07-2020 12:29AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Just nearly finished watching a new German series - Sloborn - about a pigeon flu, highly fatal, society breaking down etc. Cannot recommend it as it's a very slow burn
It had just finished shooting in December 2019 - very opportune series for the times ahead of it

Sounds interesting, where did you see it, may I ask?

Plumbthedepths · 31-07-2020 12:31AM

gabeeg wrote: »

I think you'll find that the flu virus has famously had some second waves.

Some doctor, indeed

I think the doctor might have a clue what hes talking about. The flu is never eliminated.
Until I know your credentials , his opinion has slightly more credibility than yours.

fritzelly · 31-07-2020 12:31AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Sounds interesting, where did you see it, may I ask?

https://www.zdf.de/serien/sloborn

(don't be asking how you play it

)

gabeeg · 31-07-2020 12:36AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I think the doctor might have a clue what hes talking about. The flu is never eliminated.
Until I know your credentials , his opinion has slightly more credibility than yours.

You're right of course. Dr Some Doctor deserves more respect than I've shown him and there has never been a second wave of a flu.

I was under the misguided impression that certain flus actually had been eliminated, but having spent the best part of a decade studying in the University of Somewhere, clearly Dr Some Doctor knows better than I.

My sincere apologies

manofwisdom · 31-07-2020 12:40AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

55 positive tests over weekend and 20 something cases reported, Idk what theyre doing tbh

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I have today’s positive test count at +56

A good number of those positive tests in yesterdays 85 case numbers?

caveat emptor · 31-07-2020 12:42AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Not sure if micro droplets vs airborne is just a matter of semantics.

Effectively the same?

What I mean is, does it make a difference in, say, an indoor area like a cinema, where there is 2 metre compliance?

How important is the distinction?

I mention cinema, it is a place where people laugh.

The only distinction is size.
The bigger the size, the bigger the mass so gravity causes droplets to drop.

Aerosols are sufficiently small that they linger a long time in the air and drift wherever the wind or convection currents take them. Longer distances etc.

That's the main difference and it's a big one.

To use the cinema example. 2 meters certainly limits the risk but the airflow of the cinema needs to be understood. If you are sitting beside an exhaust vent and there 4 air changes in the room then potentially every single molecule in that room will go very close to you 4 times over.

If one window is open in a room same thing could occur. If all windows open and there's a pressure differential you'll reduce risk massively as number of air changes increases massively (fish air) and the air flow is more distributed (not just one exit for the air).

"Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head
And pretend that he just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind"

Plumbthedepths · 31-07-2020 01:00AM

gabeeg wrote: »

You're right of course. Dr Some Doctor deserves more respect than I've shown him and there has never been a second wave of a flu.

I was under the misguided impression that certain flus actually had been eliminated, but having spent the best part of a decade studying in the University of Somewhere, clearly Dr Some Doctor knows better than I.

My sincere apologies

No idea why you're upset, why do you think you would as an anonymous poster on an internet forum have more credibility than a medical professional who offered his opinion based on experience and knowledge?
I may have condensed his comment more than I should but the piece is still on this site. Unfortunately I'm on the touch site and comments don't have numbers attached.
Feel free to challenge him, it shouldn't be hard to contact him.

mandrake04 · 31-07-2020 01:11AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

This whole pandemic for me, has been interesting.

I closely followed the H5N1 bird flu outbreak in Turkey and other areas way back. The cfr of that was approaching 20 to 50 percent if I remember correctly, and there was H2H transmission, just not sustained.

I think as a society we need to wake up and be prepared. Coronavirus is the canary, but a good rehersal call.

Bird flu very worrying, although not easily transmitted to humans it has a huge mortality rate. The 1918 H1N1 was thought to have been a hybrid of Swine/Bird that originated in USA.

I remember when I was doing my ME back in 2014 one of our science lecturers said we overdue a flu pandemic and it’s only matter of time before that happens.

fritzelly wrote: »

Just nearly finished watching a new German series - Sloborn - about a pigeon flu, highly fatal, society breaking down etc. Cannot recommend it as it's a very slow burn
It had just finished shooting in December 2019 - very opportune series for the times ahead of it

same for Pandemic on Netflix was only released in January of this year and was filmed mostly 2019, funny how I think in the 3rd episode the Scientist in the Middle East was testing bats for corona virus way before corona virus became every day word.

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