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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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  • #8642
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    Opposing your views or disagreeing with a practice doesn't equate to an insult. Lucky you don't have to deal with me in a parental capacity, right? Unfortunately, there are parents and children who have no option but to deal with you as a teacher, and you have continually insulted and portrayed them negatively throughout this thread. Far more than I have "insulted" teachers- like they're some hive mind or something...

    I generally find that the parents I deal with are great and the praise they have given me for my approach over the last few months before the holidays , to me personally, my principal and the BOM would lead me to believe that they are happy enough.

    For the most part parents on here are grand, just worried about their children but there are a few who seem to think that teachers are their whipping boy no matter what teachers say or do. So be it.

    It would not bother me dealing with you in person as I am sure you are a very nice in person, but your views on here are incorrect and this has been pointed out to you not just by me. Opposing a view is not an insult commenting and demeaning the qualifications of teachers is, post 7716 which was commented on by more than me.


  • #8643
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    The teachers are supposed to be involved too according to the road map why are they leaving it all to the principal ?

    Nice spreading of blame for future legal cases. Tell me was it the nurses fault the didn't know it was airborne.
    Who's responsibility is that?
    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    What qualification do you in microbiology or epidemology?
    Or is it in something else relevant?

    Mind your own fvcking business what degrees I have.
    I'm not telling you sh!te.

    Do you work for a certain department who recently drew up unworkable guidelines?


  • #8644
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Nice spreading of blame for future legal cases. Tell me was it the nurses fault the didn't know it was airborne.
    Who's responsibility is that?



    Mind your own fvcking business what degrees I have.
    I'm not telling you sh!te.

    Do you work for a certain department who recently drew up unworkable guidelines?

    Spreading the blame for future legal cases. No it's about working together and supporting the principle.

    No qualification then that leaves you qualified to risk assess the virsus I take in, empty vessels make most noise is an old saying.


  • #8645
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    The guidelines aren't practical. The guidelines tell us to send the overflow to a different room where they will follow the class on a livestream. We have ZERO spare capacity and I don't know of any primary schools that happen to have spare teachers just hanging around looking to 'mind' said overflow.

    We estimate with our rooms and numbers that we would have 4 from 6th, 5 from 5th, 3 from 4th and 8 from 3rd as overflow.

    So feed it back up the chain then! That is the correct course of action according to the guidelines as far as I can see, request the resources!


  • #8646
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,904 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    So feed it back up the chain then! That is the correct course of action according to the guidelines as far as I can see, request the resources!

    go on strike then if they don't get them?
    strike, strike, strike


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  • #8647
    combat14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭combat14


    can teachers wear facemasks in small contained room with 30 students while teaching...?

    for their own health and safety


  • #8648
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Spreading the blame for future legal cases. No it's about working together and supporting the principle.

    No qualification then that leaves you qualified to risk assess the virsus I take in, empty vessels make most noise is an old saying.

    Didn't say I've no qualifications.....

    Whoa Now now.

    I didn't say I don't have quals/ degrees.
    I just said I'd rather not reveal them to some department of education shill.
    I take the point about working together.
    I'm trying to inform people just like I tried to inform nurses and doctors back in march.

    The community spread needs to be lower.
    The kids and teachers need masks (and potentially goggles).
    Social distance and a REAL assessment of ventilation should be prioritised by
    people who actually understand how airflow works in a room.
    We all want to get back to normal.
    We must address reality and learn from other countries instead of saying it'll be grand. We like looking at Korea / Denmark and saying "sure they opened" etc then we see what they actually did and say "sure how could we do it"
    Didn't work out so well for us in march / April.

    Statistically the chances of getting a whole school community to avoid infection when we are still importing cases is extremely low and experiencing community transmission.

    Health and Safety law is clear.
    level 4 Biosafety agents are clear.
    The legislation around biosafety is there.
    It's proven to be airborne.

    I'd meet the definition of criminal negligence if I sent my child to school at this stage.
    I shalt not be doing that September.

    Let's check back in November.


  • #8649
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Didn't say I've no qualifications.....

    Whoa Now now.

    I didn't say I don't have quals/ degrees.
    I just said I'd rather not reveal them to some department of education shill.
    I take the point about working together.
    I'm trying to inform people just like I tried to inform nurses and doctors back in march.

    The community spread needs to be lower.
    The kids and teachers need masks (and potentially goggles).
    Social distance and a REAL assessment of ventilation should be prioritised by
    people who actually understand how airflow works in a room.
    We all want to get back to normal.
    We must address reality and learn from other countries instead of saying it'll be grand. We like looking at Korea / Denmark and saying "sure they opened" etc then we see what they actually did and say "sure how could we do it"
    Didn't work out so well for us in march / April.

    Statistically the chances of getting a whole school community to avoid infection when we are still importing cases is extremely low and experiencing community transmission.

    Health and Safety law is clear.
    level 4 Biosafety agents are clear.
    The legislation around biosafety is there.
    It's proven to be airborne.

    I'd meet the definition of criminal negligence if I sent my child to school at this stage.
    I shalt not be doing that September.

    Let's check back in November.

    Are you wearing goggles when you head out and about?


  • #8650
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Are you wearing goggles when you head out and about?

    I'm not in a prefab with thirty harbingers of death with little to no ventilation.

    So no.


  • #8651
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    So feed it back up the chain then! That is the correct course of action according to the guidelines as far as I can see, request the resources!

    You really don have a clue so if you think that is how it will actually work.


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  • #8652
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    The teachers are supposed to be involved too according to the road map why are they leaving it all to the principal ?

    Friend of my son is a teacher. He told me no way was he going to go into his school to do any planning. Not his job.


  • #8653
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    God we all have an opinion and are entitled to express it.
    Again not relevant to the debate unfortunately.

    Care to offer an opine on the fact that it has been discovered just yesterday that it is highly infectious via airborne transmission?

    Or what this means in the context of a class room without a fvcking window?

    No didn't think so.

    Enjoy your day.

    How many classrooms in the country have no window?


  • #8654
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Benimar wrote: »




    I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'd rather my kids went back part time in a safe environment, than full time under the proposed approach.

    If you want your kids to be safe, keep them at home, lock the doors, don’t let them or anyone else out, and don’t let anyone in.


  • #8655
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Will Yam wrote: »
    How many classrooms in the country have no window?

    We flip flop between prefab being cold draughty places with the possibility of catching hypothermia, to them having no windows nor ventilation


    I dont understand why they not taking thier own advice and wearing goggles, especially in supermarkets and restaurants


  • #8656
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    We flip flop between prefab being cold draughty places with the possibility of catching hypothermia, to them having no windows nor ventilation

    Yeah. It's amazing it's like there is different variations of prefabricated dwellings.

    Mind absolutely blown.


  • #8657
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    combat14 wrote: »
    can teachers wear facemasks in small contained room with 30 students while teaching...?

    for their own health and safety

    I would see no reason why not as the workplace has to be safe, there are a variety of masks including ones with windows if students need to lip read.


  • #8658
    Joe Kane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Joe Kane


    Will Yam wrote: »
    Friend of my son is a teacher. He told me no way was he going to go into his school to do any planning. Not his job.

    What a waster he is.


  • #8659
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    You really don have a clue so if you think that is how it will actually work.

    If/when it doesn't then you can prove that the DoE is being negligent.

    No-one wants anyone else to be needlessly at risk. Everyone wants schools and education to be as safe as possible. But throwing your eyes up to heaven and saying "now you see what it's like for us" is entirely useless. It doesn't achieve anything. It's definitely a reason to strike!

    Honestly, I'm not an advocate for getting the children back to school at all costs. I want at risk children to be safe. I want immuno compromised children to stay healthy. I want special needs children to have their needs properly met. I want teachers to have a safe work environment. Of course I do! Unsafe opening of schools will result in nothing except a higher mortality rate eventually. I think that the resources needed to include a centralised facilitation of online platforms, with devices being provided to teachers who are immunocompromised and immunocompromised children who don't have the means to provide their own, so that they can all work from home. If broadband is a problem, it doesn't need to be live teaching, or the teacher could be provided with a location to use adequate broadband from. I think that everyone on the register of teachers who is not immunocompromised, already in employment, or abroad needs to be utilised on the sub panels, or risk losing their registration. I think whole schools need to be reconfigured or extended or rebuilt with the input of occupational hazard/ public health expert risk assessments BEFORE they can be opened.

    But ya, I'm just here to have a go at teachers, sure.


  • #8660
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Will Yam wrote: »
    Friend of my son is a teacher. He told me no way was he going to go into his school to do any planning. Not his job.

    Lazy sod. Who does he think it setting up his room for him if he is primary?


  • #8661
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Joe Kane wrote: »
    What a waster he is.

    The problem is that there are others like him.

    And, on the other hand there are those who go way above and beyond the call of duty.


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  • #8662
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    Boggles wrote: »
    I didn't ask you where you work, healthcare encompasses a wide range of activities, some which would have very limited interactions with other humans.

    But since you volunteered what do you do in the healthcare sector?

    It doesn't matter what exactly I do (and quite frankly it's none of your business) the situation and the environment is what it is.

    The point being there is no workplace free from risk, not now and there never was.


  • #8663
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    combat14 wrote: »
    can teachers wear facemasks in small contained room with 30 students while teaching...?

    for their own health and safety

    I don't think anyone should be able to dictate that they can't. Do the guidelines just state that they aren't mandatory?


  • #8664
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »
    It doesn't matter what exactly I do (and quite frankly it's none of your business) the situation and the environment is what it is.

    Easy there, you were the one who volunteered the information.
    Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »
    The point being there is no workplace free from risk, not now and there never was.

    Well no the point you were trying to make is you work in a more risky environment then a secondary school teacher.

    Considering your employer makes you social distance and wear PPE and you won't volunteer exactly what environment you work in, then you quite obviously don't.


  • #8665
    Joe Kane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Joe Kane


    Boggles wrote: »
    Easy there, you were the one who volunteered the information.



    Well no the point you were trying to make is you work in a more risky environment then a secondary school teacher.

    Considering your employer makes you social distance and wear PPE and you won't volunteer exactly what environment you work in, then you quite obviously don't.

    Do you work at all or are you a representative for secondary school teachers?


  • #8666
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Face shields would be an option for teachers . While I understand they are not as protective as masks at least they are better than nothing . Maybe perspex on the desk for a teacher who feels vulnerable without it ?
    Has this been mentioned at all in any schools or by principles ?


  • #8667
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    Boggles wrote: »
    Easy there, you were the one who volunteered the information.



    Well no the point you were trying to make is you work in a more risky environment then a secondary school teacher.

    Considering your employer makes you social distance and wear PPE and you won't volunteer what you do, then you quite obviously don't.

    I wear a clear visor and social distancing really only exists in a procedural document in a drawer somewhere.

    Many workplaces are the same, life goes on pandemic or not. Human behaviour dictates the reality of what happens day to day, we are not designed to be locked in a perspex box indefinitely.

    So we have to do our best to take practical steps to lessen risk and get on with it without too much interruption.


  • #8668
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Joe Kane wrote: »
    Do you work at all or are you a representative for secondary school teachers?

    I certainly do Joe and have done through out Covid. You wanna give me a clap?

    I'm a "representative" of policy based on evidence and science and how that will impact the entire country as a whole going forward during this once in a generation pandemic.

    Any further questions Joe?


  • #8669
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »
    I wear a clear visor and social distancing really only exists in a procedural document in a drawer somewhere.

    Many workplaces are the same, life goes on pandemic or not. Human behaviour dictates the reality of what happens day to day, we are not designed to be locked in a perspex box indefinitely.

    So we have to do our best to take practical steps to lessen risk and get on with it without too much interruption.

    So nothing like a secondary school teachers environment?

    Grand job, glad we cleared that up eventually.


  • #8670
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Boggles wrote: »
    I certainly do Joe and have done through out Covid. You wanna give me a clap?

    I'm a "representative" of policy based on evidence and science and how that will impact the entire country as a whole going forward during this once in a generation pandemic.

    Any further questions Joe?

    Do you wear googles to work?

    4.2 million allocated to employ aides to help move tables.0

    How many teachers have completed the covid training yet?


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  • #8671
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    Boggles wrote: »
    So nothing like a secondary school teachers environment?

    Grand job, glad we cleared that up eventually.

    I'm sure they can wear a visor if they really wanted to.


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