Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

hmmm · 28-07-2020 04:08PM

fr336 wrote: »

It's been 4 months.

The same group bleating about the past 4 months are probably also the first in line to call younger people "snowflakes". It's almost embarrassing listening to them talking about how badly they are being affected. None of us are enjoying this, not all of us are crying about it online.

dalyboy · 28-07-2020 04:09PM

fr336 wrote: »

Only people I've ever seen remotely entertaining this insane idea is the anti restrictions crowd. I'm very pro restriction to control the virus and reduce economic impact but I'll be right there with you if things are still this severe after Christmas, I have no time for a new normal and will not be happy if we are even still wearing masks in 2021. The problem is there needs to be creative solutions not just hope for the best and let people young and old die or go through hell in a hospital for months.

Christmas? It’ll be one crap Christmas if we are in the same sh1t as we are in now. Smiling with our eyes is getting distasteful.

fr336 · 28-07-2020 04:11PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Christmas? It’ll be one crap Christmas if we are in the same sh1t as we are in now. Smiling with our eyes is getting distasteful.

Can't disagree. Though you only have to wear masks on public transport and in shops, hardly social destinations. Boris Johnson was saying masks may still be in the UK in July 2021, a grim prediction.

bb1234567 · 28-07-2020 04:13PM

Herb Powell wrote: »

It's not bull. There's a reason those things exist and a reason so many people dedicate their lives and careers to them. This is gone for the foreseeable future. It may not be the case for most people, but there's a sizeable number for whom this is really really difficult.

Those things exist because they are enjoyable. Many things we enjoy can easily be lived without. As I said I look forward to when crowds can gather again but to say people can't be perfectly happy without ready access to large crowds is quite frankly stupid

A few months ago these kinds of posts were relatable but the last few pages of posts like this come across like moany children , posters saying they'd rather die than go on like this , Jesus wept. Go to the beach or park or the many open cafes and restaurants and see for yourself everyone enjoying life except you and get over yourself. It also won't last forever or even after Christmas so can we drop this inane hypothetical

hmmm · 28-07-2020 04:13PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Christmas? It’ll be one crap Christmas if we are in the same sh1t as we are in now. Smiling with our eyes is getting distasteful.

It'll be a lot worse Christmas if Grandma dies, or the cousin on chemo ends up spending it in ICU. Wear a mask and stop being such a baby.

The earliest this ends is when we get a vaccine, and when most people take it.

completedit · 28-07-2020 04:24PM

Not everyone has ideal circumstances. I am trying to get on with my life. My girlfriend is long distance. At a certain time a me féin attitude takes over. Life is good but because of this madness something I hold very dear might end up ending. That's a sad toll of all this. The human side. The dreams and memories lost while we continue with this. The problem is there are negative consequences on both sides. But the immediate health issue takes precedence. What's the quote from the big short about for every one per cent increase in unemployment, deaths rise by 40.000.

stephenjmcd · 28-07-2020 04:27PM

fr336 wrote: »

Lots of things we do normally aren't really normal. For instance, commuters packed in like sardines on trains and buses.

What on earth has that got to do with the post ? The new normal of social distancing etc isn't exactly normal so not sure what your trying to get at.

Soon as theres a vaccine this 'new normal' will disappear and packed public transport as you describe it will return, simply because there isn't an alternative. Try commuting in Dublin pre March, nightmare most of the time, yes more people will work from home but public transport will still as ever be over stretched.

28-07-2020 04:27PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

youd seriously be offing yourself if this was forever? Jaysus hope for your sake this is being said for dramatic effect, could safely say you're in the minority with that opinion but maybe the majority on this thread although I'll give you that

I didn't say I would off myself. Plenty of things are not worth doing but still get done for one reason or another.

I really don't think I am in the minority.
Remove almost all forms of socializing from society and people will be unhappy.

It is all hypothetical though because it won't happen.

average_runner · 28-07-2020 04:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't say I would off myself. Plenty of things are not worth doing but still get done for one reason or another.

I really don't think I am in the minority.
Remove almost all forms of socializing from society and people will be unhappy.

It is all hypothetical though because it won't happen.

What forms of socializing are currently missing?

stephenjmcd · 28-07-2020 04:31PM

average_runner wrote: »

What forms of socializing are currently missing?

Sporting events, concerts, festivals etc you know the things people like to go and socialise at especially during the summer.

My own social life would have been heavily influenced by football & gaa matches so I'm missing that outlet an awful lot. None of them can be attended at the moment and for the foreseeable future.

28-07-2020 04:37PM

Clubs, Bars, Festivals, Gigs and Sporting events are pretty big losses for a lot of people in their 20s.

s1ippy · 28-07-2020 04:38PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Those things exist because they are enjoyable. Many things we enjoy can easily be lived without. As I said I look forward to when crowds can gather again but to say people can't be perfectly happy without ready access to large crowds is quite frankly stupid

A few months ago these kinds of posts were relatable but the last few pages of posts like this come across like moany children , posters saying they'd rather die than go on like this , Jesus wept. Go to the beach or park or the many open cafes and restaurants and see for yourself everyone enjoying life except you and get over yourself. It also won't last forever or even after Christmas so can we drop this inane hypothetical

You really are a nasty piece of work.

average_runner · 28-07-2020 04:38PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sporting events, concerts, festivals etc you know the things people like to go and socialise at especially during the summer.

My own social life would have been heavily influenced by football & gaa matches so I'm missing that outlet an awful lot. None of them can be attended at the moment and for the foreseeable future.

GAA is planning to have people to attend in Oct when championship starts.

Some of my group met up weekly in one of their houses for the footie. They enjoyed it loads, bbq etc. Could be a outlet for you there ?

Where I live, we usually have drinks in the back garden or all go to one of the campsites and socialise there.

28-07-2020 04:39PM

fr336 wrote: »

Only people I've ever seen remotely entertaining this insane idea is the anti restrictions crowd. I'm very pro restriction to control the virus and reduce economic impact but I'll be right there with you if things are still this severe after Christmas, I have no time for a new normal and will not be happy if we are even still wearing masks in 2021. The problem is there needs to be creative solutions not just hope for the best and let people young and old die or go through hell in a hospital for months.

I actually agree with most of this. I don't mind restrictions if they eventually go away.

Were I tend to differ a bit is that I think we have scope to take some more risks now. We only have 5 in ICU and something like 12 in hospital.

I feel we could take some chances and we'd easily notice if hospital numbers were increasing.

Penfailed · 28-07-2020 04:44PM

s1ippy wrote: »

You really are a nasty piece of work.

That's a bit of an overreaction...no?

stephenjmcd · 28-07-2020 04:45PM

average_runner wrote: »

GAA is planning to have people to attend in Oct when championship starts.

Some of my group met up weekly in one of their houses for the footie. They enjoyed it loads, bbq etc. Could be a outlet for you there ?

Where I live, we usually have drinks in the back garden or all go to one of the campsites and socialise there.

Well sure as per government guidelines we can't all meet up in houses, that numbers been reduced down and any encounters are to be brief.

Each to their own but I'd much rather be at matches and concerts rather than watching streams or going socilising in a campsite. The matches are only part of the day, its the bumping into people you've not seen in ages, the atmosphere etc, the social aspect is completely gone until we're allowed back into events.

We'll see how many are allowed into games in October and it doesn't look like it'll be many at the moment.

hmmm · 28-07-2020 04:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I feel we could take some chances and we'd easily notice if hospital numbers were increasing.

By the time we see hospital numbers increasing it would be too late. The virus spreads exponentially.

Typically it is one week between infection and symptoms, another week before you might end up in hospital, another week for ICU. If 5-10% require hospitalisation, that's 5 to 10% of the number who were infected 2 weeks previously. It would have been spreading unnoticed for those two weeks - you could be looking at widespread lockdowns to try and recover from that.

We can better predict the virus by the positivity rate in testing, the numbers testing positive, and the sources of spread that contact tracers are finding (number of contacts etc.) There must have been enough in the leading data around two weeks ago to make NPHET very nervous, because they seem to have let out a sigh of relief this week.

Other countries have lost control because they reacted too slowly - Israel is one. There are possibly going to be some European countries on this list soon.

stephenjmcd · 28-07-2020 04:53PM

AdamD wrote: »

Clubs, Bars, Festivals, Gigs and Sporting events are pretty big losses for a lot of people in their 20s.

Yup but sure we'll be called snowflakes etc anyway. When I'm sure the people saying it did the exact same in their 20s.

I'd have easily attended at least 1 sporting event a week and probably 2 or 3 festivals over the summer, so at the moment there's very little social outlets available which mentally is proving difficult. Not going to go around to other peoples houses because that's exactly what we're being asked not to do.

PTH2009 · 28-07-2020 05:04PM

for sanity Phase 4 needs to go ahead on the 10th Aug. Getting beyond a joke now

Numbers will be high today like every mid week the last month or so

igCorcaigh · 28-07-2020 05:50PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1288154198891212806?s=19

igCorcaigh · 28-07-2020 05:53PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

for sanity Phase 4 needs to go ahead on the 10th Aug. Getting beyond a joke now

Numbers will be high today like every mid week the last month or so

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1288154587107663873?s=19

PTH2009 · 28-07-2020 06:12PM

Flip these numbers arnt good

Phase 4 prepared to be pushed back now :mad::mad::mad:

is_that_so · 28-07-2020 06:17PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Flip these numbers arnt good

Phase 4 prepared to be pushed back now :mad::mad::mad:

7 Day average is 19 cases. Go look at the main thread to see the issues people have with the one day reporting after a weekend.

28-07-2020 06:19PM

I’m no lockdown merchant but think that with the exception of schools, we are probably at the position now in which we will stay for a good while. A vaccine won’t change anything by next year for sure, and even after that there is no certainty of efficacy, how long a vaccination will last (6 months, a year?), or whether those vaccinated can still carry and spread COVID.

Hopefully we will get back to some more normality, but masks are here to stay I think. They have got used to that aspect of life in Asia, and I think that we will too. In terms of work, we’ve been told In my company that we are unlikely to be back to the office now until spring / early summer 2021 (and I hate working from home all the time). Pubs and public transport will continue to be limited in capacity and pubs probably seating only. Venues and gigs and clubs I just don’t know....just can’t see a return to normality. We will socialise, but it won’t be the same. That doesn’t mean that life isn’t worth living as some here have melodramatically stated.....it’ll just be different. Teenagers and twentysomethings will ignore the rules and have parties.....that’s just a fact of life. But the rules as we have them now I think will probably be more or less as they are now for another year

Penfailed · 28-07-2020 06:21PM

is_that_so wrote: »

7 Day average is 19 cases. Go look at the main thread to see the issues people have with the one day reporting after a weekend.

Yeah. Comparing four consecutive Tuesdays and using that as a basis to push back the forth phase would be ridiculous. It was inevitable that, as lockdown restrictions eased, that there would be an increase in cases. As long as it remains at a sustainable level, there's no need not to keep easing up on the restrictions.

Penfailed · 28-07-2020 06:27PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m no lockdown merchant but think that with the exception of schools, we are probably at the position now in which we will stay for a good while. A vaccine won’t change anything by next year for sure, and even after that there is no certainty of efficacy, how long a vaccination will last (6 months, a year?), or whether those vaccinated can still carry and spread COVID.

Hopefully we will get back to some more normality, but masks are here to stay I think. They have got used to that aspect of life in Asia, and I think that we will too. In terms of work, we’ve been told In my company that we are unlikely to be back to the office now until spring / early summer 2021 (and I hate working from home all the time). Pubs and public transport will continue to be limited in capacity and pubs probably seating only. Venues and gigs and clubs I just don’t know....just can’t see a return to normality. We will socialise, but it won’t be the same. That doesn’t mean that life isn’t worth living as some here have melodramatically stated.....it’ll just be different. Teenagers and twentysomethings will ignore the rules and have parties.....that’s just a fact of life. But the rules as we have them now I think will probably be more or less as they are now for another year

I disagree. Masks aren't here to stay. There's a massive cultural difference between here and Asia. They have been wearing masks for different reasons previously. We're seeing a phased return to the office with some sort of normality expected in September. Life as normal will resume...eventually.

28-07-2020 06:30PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I disagree. Masks aren't here to stay. There's a massive cultural difference between here and Asia. They have been wearing masks for different reasons previously. We're seeing a phased return to the office with some sort of normality expected in September. Life as normal will resume...eventually.

I agree. But don’t think we will see it until later next year

John O.Groats · 28-07-2020 06:38PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well sure as per government guidelines we can't all meet up in houses, that numbers been reduced down and any encounters are to be brief.

Each to their own but I'd much rather be at matches and concerts rather than watching streams or going socilising in a campsite. The matches are only part of the day, its the bumping into people you've not seen in ages, the atmosphere etc, the social aspect is completely gone until we're allowed back into events.

We'll see how many are allowed into games in October and it doesn't look like it'll be many at the moment.

Club GAA matches started up again the weekend before last and up to 200 people are allowed to attend. Granted that 200 includes players, referees, umpires, stewards etc. If all goes according to schedule that will be increased to 500 from 10th August and dressing rooms, club gyms etc should also be allowed to reopen.

PTH2009 · 28-07-2020 06:49PM

Other than wet pubs opening whats included in Phase 4 ???

Saw on the main thread suggestions of moving to Phase 3.5 instead of Phase 4 on the 10th Aug

:(:mad:

Dickie10 · 28-07-2020 07:08PM

a lot of rural pubs have opened up the last 2 weeks doing token food proper order was in my local yesterday evening backing a few horses and looking at Galway, lovely job could stay all evening if i wanted about 7 people there at any one time

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings