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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    seamus wrote: »
    Rolling back a bit on my earlier post, speaking to others I get a better sense of people's issue with this.

    No, it's not unreasonable to suggest that someone should start looking at alternatives.

    The issue is that if someone is currently on PUP, they are in limbo. If their employer can't employ them anymore, then they should be made redundant and go on JSA.
    Instead what's happening is that people on PUP are being slowly transitioned to the dole without redundancy.

    And a Government minister suggesting that people on PUP are supposed to be job-hunting is rubber-stamping this. They should be changing PUP so that it's only applicable if the employer foresees a reasonable chance that the individual will return to work. Otherwise they must make them redundant.

    You're obviously not on PUP. I have a better suggestion: all those on PUP go back to work tomorrow, then we'll see how those who want to shove them onto the dole like it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    LATEST TESTING UPDATE

    Tests conducted last 24 hours: 4965
    Tests conducted last 7 days: 45339
    Positive Tests last 24 hours: 16
    Positivity Rate last 7 days: 0.3%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Jackman25


    fr336 wrote: »
    I honestly feel that if you'd said to me a year ago that a lot of people in society would have moaned endlessly about lockdowns, face coverings and anything else to protect them from a once in a lifetime pandemic that is now potentially causing serious after effects for "mild" cases, I wouldn't have believed you. I thought most people were scared of things such as war and pandemics, that if any of these things happened after we had decades of peace and stability then naturally people would be more concerned with theirs and others's welfare for the long term rather than a couple of months in 2020. I was very wrong!


    Amazing as it may sound, people could be scared of war without being all that scared of this pandemic. Hyperbole to compare it to war.

    How many of the almost 26K cases in Ireland are having serious after effects?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,260 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    fr336 wrote: »
    I honestly feel that if you'd said to me a year ago that a lot of people in society would have moaned endlessly about lockdowns, face coverings and anything else to protect them from a once in a lifetime pandemic that is now potentially causing serious after effects for "mild" cases, I wouldn't have believed you. I thought most people were scared of things such as war and pandemics, that if any of these things happened after we had decades of peace and stability then naturally people would be more concerned with theirs and others's welfare for the long term rather than a couple of months in 2020. I was very wrong!

    I think reading boards can give you a distorted picture of how many people out there are really genuinely put out by wearing masks etc, etc. I think most people in Ireland are just getting on with it as best they can. I certainly don't hear the same level of constant moaning in real life that I read here. You hear a bit of it, but, like I said, most people are just getting on with it.

    It's the nature of the place: an anonymous message board where disaffected people can have a vent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Jackman25 wrote: »

    How many of the almost 26K cases in Ireland are having serious after effects?

    75% of them according to some on here, heart damage, brain damage possible loss of limbs etc etc.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,870 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Onesea wrote: »
    So how many thound people have cardiac issues in Ireland from Covid, 75% of 25k people? Somehow I don't believe your study.

    Hmmmm who to believe, the scientists trying their best to solve problems or some random lad on the internet Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I do not know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    75% of them according to some on here, heart damage, brain damage possible loss of limbs etc etc.

    75% of those in a study in Germany. I don't think Germany is in Ireland. Those playing down the virus from the start seem over eager in doing so, almost as if they don't really believe in their argument. I would err on the side of caution of a study of 75% as you'd think there would be more widespread reports of this stuff, but then again there could be various reasons for this. What do we have to lose by being cautious? Don't mention the economy, restrictions are almost fully lifted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Hmmmm who to believe, the scientists trying their best to solve problems or some random lad on the internet Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I do not know

    The scientists just want to control people - they want everyone wearing a face muzzell before introducing ID cards which identify you when you're wearing a mask.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    LATEST TESTING UPDATE

    Tests conducted last 24 hours: 4965
    Tests conducted last 7 days: 45339
    Positive Tests last 24 hours: 16
    Positivity Rate last 7 days: 0.3%

    Are we looking at 25 plus cases today I’d imagine?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    LATEST TESTING UPDATE

    Tests conducted last 24 hours: 4965
    Tests conducted last 7 days: 45339
    Positive Tests last 24 hours: 16
    Positivity Rate last 7 days: 0.3%

    Would some of the tests and maybe the positive results be from tests conducted for example 7-10 days ago?

    So for example i get a test on 20th July and was positive i am included in that days daily notified people with covid. I got another test yesterday to see if i was still positive and still am positive but cannot be included in the daily notified cases because i was already counted as having covid?

    Is this why the 24 hour count doesn't always add up to the number of notified people with covid?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Are we looking at 25 plus cases today I’d imagine?
    I would say high 30s low 40s


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    big syke wrote: »
    Would some of the tests and maybe the positive results be from tests conducted for example 7-10 days ago?

    So for example i get a test on 20th July and was positive i am included in that days daily notified people with covid. I got another test yesterday to see if i was still positive and still am positive but cannot be included in the daily notified cases because i was already counted as having covid?

    Is this why the 24 hour count doesn't always add up to the number of notified people with covid?
    Positive results are always greater than confirmed cases because of multiple tests for some people. Today we are likely to see a number greater than 16 (I think somewhere in the 40s) because there have been 55 positive tests over the weekend and only 23 cases reported. Therefore, there is 32 positives which haven't been reported, and added onto the 16, are likely to be reported today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Jackman25


    I would say high 30s low 40s

    ChelseaRentBoy will be very worried.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Jackman25 wrote: »
    ChelseaRentBoy will be very worried.
    I'm giving a very early warning so people aren't surprised come 5:30 :D

    Learned over the past few weeks that we need to take daily figures with a pinch of salt, 7 day average is way more important. A figure in the 40s today averages around 18/day still, given we only had 20 or so over the past 2 days.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    fr336 wrote: »
    The scientists just want to control people - they want everyone wearing a face muzzell before introducing ID cards which identify you when you're wearing a mask.
    Nah it'll be a retinal scan like Minority Report :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    been taking time off my first proper break since c.jan 8th and I managed to miss a whole thread for the first time....spending time watching bumble bees pollinate and playing music
    then I saw this... I am thinking we do a deservice to all patients and medical professionals if at the very least the data is not re checked... Any thoughts?

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/8nXePkc9nPJn/

    apologies if already posted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭redmgar


    I'm giving a very early warning so people aren't surprised come 5:30 :D

    Learned over the past few weeks that we need to take daily figures with a pinch of salt, 7 day average is way more important. A figure in the 40s today averages around 18/day still, given we only had 20 or so over the past 2 days.
    Is this the oul tactic that if it isn't in the 40s today you can say better than expected?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Nah it'll be a retinal scan like Minority Report :D


    wont work for everyone.. some peoples retinas change alot.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    speckle wrote: »
    been taking time off my first proper break since c.jan 8th and I managed to miss a whole thread for the first time....spending time watching bumble bees pollinate and playing music
    then I saw this... I am thinking we do a deservice to all patients and medical professionals if at the very least the data is not re checked... Any thoughts?

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/8nXePkc9nPJn/

    apologies if already posted
    The president is pushing the coronavirus theories of a Houston doctor who also says sexual visitations by demons and alien DNA are at the root of Americans’ common health concerns.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    I'm giving a very early warning so people aren't surprised come 5:30 :D

    Learned over the past few weeks that we need to take daily figures with a pinch of salt, 7 day average is way more important. A figure in the 40s today averages around 18/day still, given we only had 20 or so over the past 2 days.

    No idea why they just can't report the positive tests on the day they occur.
    It'll be meltdown here and in the media when a bulk of 48hr tests are presented this evening as 1 days worth when even still they'll more than likely average at around 20 a day come end of week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    redmgar wrote: »
    Is this the oul tactic that if it isn't in the 40s today you can say better than expected?
    No it's called mathematics, not sure if you've heard of it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    redmgar wrote: »
    Is this the oul tactic that if it isn't in the 40s today you can say better than expected?

    fully expect 30s or 40s today myself after a low number announced yesterday despite postive tests over the 48hr weekend period reported by the HSE as being higher than what was announced yesterday.

    Last 3 weeks seems to be a constant dropping in of a few days worth of cases in the Tuesday number reported by Dept of Health despite there being 16 postive swabs reported in the last 24hrs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle




    thanks i get that... I am trying to divirce her spiritual beliefs from the fact she has treated 350 patients including those with diabetes, asthma and heart issues and gas had no deaths. .
    Just found this while looking at your link


    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200727/Clinical-Trials-of-Hydroxychloroquine-in-COVID-19-Outpatients-Are-Safe.aspx


    Maybe the take away should be this treatment is part of the tool box for doctors if used correctly ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    fully expect 30s or 40s today myself after a low number announced yesterday despite postive tests over the 48hr weekend period reported by the HSE as being higher than what was announced yesterday.

    Last 3 weeks seems to be a constant dropping in of a few days worth of cases in the Tuesday number reported by Dept of Health despite there being 16 postive swabs reported in the last 24hrs
    I cant understand why when we see the virus spreading rapidly in Spain, France , Germany, that we think it wont spread here again. Its obvious it will. I am banned from the school thread for saying kids dont need to be mollycoddled. But, what has to happen is schools need to be able to maintain distancing. I just pointed out that all then b **** oooh our kids are going to be traumatised due to being away from each other and need psychologists!!! What i said is kids of 9n up are watching porn and at 13 can brutally rape. Kids are cleaver than we know. We dont need to spread the virus in the name of education. It can be done on line until the vaccine. But Im banned from the thread for this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    No idea why they just can't report the positive tests on the day they occur.
    It'll be meltdown here and in the media when a bulk of 48hr tests are presented this evening as 1 days worth when even still they'll more than likely average at around 20 a day come end of week

    They could probably do a report on a monday that would do a day by day for the previous week would also clear up a lot of where there denotifications are


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    spookwoman wrote: »
    They could probably do a report on a monday that would do a day by day for the previous week would also clear up a lot of where there denotifications are
    They could be giving way more data but they choose not too for whatever reason :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    spookwoman wrote: »
    They could probably do a report on a monday that would do a day by day for the previous week would also clear up a lot of where there denotifications are

    Yup fully agree. Would be great to get a regular report released of the case dates.

    For example last week the CMO stated 59 of the cases announced in the last 14 days didn't occur in the 14 days, so why on earth are they just being landed in on the daily figures.

    Gives a false representation of the current situation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    I cant understand why when we see the virus spreading rapidly in Spain, France , Germany, that we think it wont spread here again. Its obvious it will. I am banned from the school thread for saying kids dont need to be mollycoddled. But, what has to happen is schools need to be able to maintain distancing. I just pointed out that all then b **** oooh our kids are going to be traumatised due to being away from each other and need psychologists!!! What i said is kids of 9n up are watching porn and at 13 can brutally rape. Kids are cleaver than we know. We dont need to spread the virus in the name of education. It can be done on line until the vaccine. But Im banned from the thread for this.

    I don't know if you watch international news but Florida since they sent the kids back to school there has been a 23% increase in children needing hospitalisation.
    "On July 16, the state had a total of 23,170 children ages 17 and under who had tested positive since the beginning of the pandemic, according to the Florida Department of Health. By July 24, that number jumped to 31,150."
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/27/health/florida-covid-children-hospitalizations/index.html

    I agree kids do need to go back, not because they are watching porn and raping :confused:, but because lot of parents are getting fed up looking after them and letting them run wild. Many have found out that that the negative comments made at the parents teachers meeting about little Mary or Johnny being a little sh*te are actually true :D
    But because this is Ireland we have problems with class sizes, we have always had this issue and I don't see how they are going to be able to social distance. Where is all this money going to come from for prefabs and extra teachers? Many schools don't even have hot water or even soap in the toilets. Going to be a nightmare.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    They could be giving way more data but they choose not too for whatever reason :(

    On the plus side, they have been giving us way more data than they might have in the past (even the tracking app is open sourced).


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